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The question was put.

CHAIRMAN: Mrs. ELLIOTT?

MRS. ELLIOTT: I want to abstain because I am not clear which part of it.

The Motion was carried with 17 votes for and 1 abstention.

(4) MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT AND MARKETS SELECT COMMITTEES, moved the following Motion:

"RESOLVED that any public officer for the time being holding, or discharging the functions of, any of the offices specified in the schedule hereto be authorized to exercise in Resettlement Estates the powers conferred by Sections 82(1) and 86(1) of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132.

SCHEDULE.

Resettlement Officer.

Assistant Resettlement Officer.

Resettlement Assistant.

He said: I rise to move the Motion standing in my name.

My Friend, Mr. Henry Hu, in introducing the preceding Motion, has referred to the new problems which we are likely to encounter with the new concept of modular markets. The Motion moved by Mr. Hu provides powers for the control of marketing activities generally in the modular markets. However, to enable the Resettlement Department to exercise proper management of these markets, it will also be necessary for them to be able to control the activities of unauthorised persons both within the modular markets and throughout the environs of the estates. It is important that this control should be available instantly when required, and the purpose of the Motion now before you is to vest authority in certain grades of Resettlement Staff to enable them to take quick and effective action whenever it may be necessary.

Sir, I beg to move.

MR. RAYMOND Y. K. KAN: I beg to second the Motion.

CHAIRMAN: The Motion has been proposed and seconded. Does any Member wish to speak?

MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, I would clarify this point. The reason I abstained on the first one was that Mr. Hu mixed up a bit

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of the second one in the first one and I did support the first one but not the extra remarks about the officers. I would like to oppose this Motion. I am sorry to do so as you won't get a unanimous vote but I am surprised and disappointed that such a Motion should be called for at this time. The officers for our estates are not properly trained for this job. Those who are conscientious dislike it. Those who are less conscientious have exercised their powers with much discrimination. It is a well-known fact not only among the tenants of the estates but also in certain Government departments with which I have had discussions that the officers will only take action against the poor, the weak, the old and the handicapped as these are the ones most easy to suppress. The worst elements are left to do exactly as they like. Before passing a Motion of this kind I would like to invite Members to go and see for themselves the chaos that exists and the discrimination that is evident on every hand. I oppose the Motion.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN: Mr. Chairman, I think we must be very fair with the staff of the Resettlement Department. In the course of my Ward duties, I am speaking in support of the Motion, I am very grateful to the officers, particularly officers of these three ranks, Resettlement Officer, Assistant Resettlement Officer and Resettlement Assistant. They are very conscientious and very dedicated to their duty. Of course you know there are one or two black sheep here and there but I think to categorically say that they are not doing their duty conscientiously is not fair to them and it is a new project and most of the officers of this rank are young men with a lot of potentiality and I think it is apt that they be given a chance to prove themselves and I support this Motion wholeheartedly.

MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify a point? Because Mr. CHAN didn't understand my English may I repeat it, I said “those officers who are conscientious dislike the job”. I did not say that they were all not conscientious.

MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, I do appreciate the very deep concern which Mrs. ELLIOTT has about this particular Motion. Admittedly, there are many officers who are dedicated in carrying out their responsibilities in the Resettlement Department. Perhaps some of them will not like these additional responsibilities. I cannot blame them because many of them feel that the conditions of service are not sufficiently attractive. On the other hand we do know that conditions are quite chaotic in many of the older resettlement estates and we must seek a solution to the improvement of living conditions in the estates. I think we should support this Motion because it is an attempt to alleviate the situation there but we will have to review the situation from time to time and see what improvement takes place and what corrective measures are necessary, if any, should there be any discrepancies.

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Page 104 of 242 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL The question was put. CHAIRMAN: Mrs. ELLIOTT? MRS. ELLIOTT: I want to abstain because I am not clear which part of it. The Motion was carried with 17 votes for and 1 abstention. (4) MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT AND MARKETS SELECT COMMITTEES, moved the following Motion: "RESOLVED that any public officer for the time being holding, or discharging the functions of, any of the offices specified in the schedule hereto be authorized to exercise in Resettlement Estates the powers conferred by Sections 82(1) and 86(1) of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132. SCHEDULE. Resettlement Officer. Assistant Resettlement Officer. Resettlement Assistant. He said: I rise to move the Motion standing in my name. My Friend, Mr. Henry Hu, in introducing the preceding Motion, has referred to the new problems which we are likely to encounter with the new concept of modular markets. The Motion moved by Mr. Hu provides powers for the control of marketing activities generally in the modular markets. However, to enable the Resettlement Department to exercise proper management of these markets, it will also be necessary for them to be able to control the activities of unauthorised persons both within the modular markets and throughout the environs of the estates. It is important that this control should be available instantly when required, and the purpose of the Motion now before you is to vest authority in certain grades of Resettlement Staff to enable them to take quick and effective action whenever it may be necessary. Sir, I beg to move. MR. RAYMOND Y. K. KAN: I beg to second the Motion. CHAIRMAN: The Motion has been proposed and seconded. Does any Member wish to speak? MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, I would clarify this point. The reason I abstained on the first one was that Mr. Hu mixed up a bit HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 189 of the second one in the first one and I did support the first one but not the extra remarks about the officers. I would like to oppose this Motion. I am sorry to do so as you won't get a unanimous vote but I am surprised and disappointed that such a Motion should be called for at this time. The officers for our estates are not properly trained for this job. Those who are conscientious dislike it. Those who are less conscientious have exercised their powers with much discrimination. It is a well-known fact not only among the tenants of the estates but also in certain Government departments with which I have had discussions that the officers will only take action against the poor, the weak, the old and the handicapped as these are the ones most easy to suppress. The worst elements are left to do exactly as they like. Before passing a Motion of this kind I would like to invite Members to go and see for themselves the chaos that exists and the discrimination that is evident on every hand. I oppose the Motion. MR. PETER C. K. CHAN: Mr. Chairman, I think we must be very fair with the staff of the Resettlement Department. In the course of my Ward duties, I am speaking in support of the Motion, I am very grateful to the officers, particularly officers of these three ranks, Resettlement Officer, Assistant Resettlement Officer and Resettlement Assistant. They are very conscientious and very dedicated to their duty. Of course you know there are one or two black sheep here and there but I think to categorically say that they are not doing their duty conscientiously is not fair to them and it is a new project and most of the officers of this rank are young men with a lot of potentiality and I think it is apt that they be given a chance to prove themselves and I support this Motion wholeheartedly. MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify a point? Because Mr. CHAN didn't understand my English may I repeat it, I said “those officers who are conscientious dislike the job”. I did not say that they were all not conscientious. MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, I do appreciate the very deep concern which Mrs. ELLIOTT has about this particular Motion. Admittedly, there are many officers who are dedicated in carrying out their responsibilities in the Resettlement Department. Perhaps some of them will not like these additional responsibilities. I cannot blame them because many of them feel that the conditions of service are not sufficiently attractive. On the other hand we do know that conditions are quite chaotic in many of the older resettlement estates and we must seek a solution to the improvement of living conditions in the estates. I think we should support this Motion because it is an attempt to alleviate the situation there but we will have to review the situation from time to time and see what improvement takes place and what corrective measures are necessary, if any, should there be any discrepancies. Page 105 of 242 1 188 (empty lines removed and minor formatting adjusted to fit the requested HTML format)

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42 Page 104 of 242 1 188 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL The question was put. CHAIRMAN: Mrs. ELLIOTT? MRS. ELLIOTT:-I want to abstain because I am not clear which part of it. The Motion was carried with 17 votes for and 1 abstention. (4) MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT AND MARKETS SELECT COMMITTEES, moved the following Motion :- "RESOLVED that any public officer for the time being holding, or discharging the functions of, any of the offices specified in the schedule hereto be authorized to exercise in Resettlement Estates the powers conferred by Sections 82(1) and 86(1) of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132. SCHEDULE. Resettlement Officer. Assistant Resettlement Officer. Resettlement Assistant. He said: I rise to move the Motion standing in my name. My Friend, Mr. Henry Hu, in introducing the preceding Motion, has referred to the new problems which we are likely to encounter with the new concept of modular markets. The Motion moved by Mr. Hu provides powers for the control of marketing activities generally in the modular markets. However, to enable the Resettlement Depart- ment to exercise proper management of these markets, it will also be necessary for them to be able to control the activities of unauthorised persons both within the modular markets and throughout the environs of the estates. It is important that this control should be available instantly when required, and the purpose of the Motion now before you is to vest authority in certain grades of Resettlement Staff to enable them to take quick and effective action whenever it may be necessary. Sir, I beg to move. MR. RAYMOND Y, K. KAN:-I beg to second the Motion. CHAIRMAN:-The Motion has been proposed and seconded. Does any Member wish to speak? MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I would clarify this point. The reason I abstained on the first one was that Mr. Hu mixed up a bit HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 189 of the second one in the first one and I did support the first one but not the extra remarks about the officers. I would like to oppose this Motion. I am sorry to do so as you won't get a unanimous vote but I am surprised and disappointed that such a Motion should be called for at this time. The officers for our estates are not properly trained for this job. Those who are conscientious dislike it. Those who are less conscientious have exercised their powers with much discrimina- tion. It is a well-known fact not only among the tenants of the estates but also in certain Government departments with which I have had discussions that the officers will only take action against the poor, the weak, the old and the handicapped as these are the ones most easy to suppress. The worst elements are left to do exactly as they like. Before passing a Motion of this kind I would like to invite Members to go and see for themselves the chaos that exists and the discrimination that is evident on every hand. I oppose the Motion. MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, I think we must be very fair with the staff of the Resettlement Department. In the course of my Ward duties, I am speaking in support of the Motion, I am very grateful to the officers, particularly officers of these three ranks, Resettlement Officer, Assistant Resettlement Officer and Resettlement Assistant. They are very conscientious and very dedicated to their duty. Of course you know there are one or two black sheep here and there but I think to categorically say that they are not doing their duty conscientiously is not fair to them and it is a new project and most of the officers of this rank are young men with a lot of potentiality and I think it is apt that they be given a chance to prove themselves and I support this Motion wholeheartedly. MRS. ELLIOTT:---Mr. Chairman, may I clarify a point? Because Mr. CHAN didn't understand my English may I repeat it, I said “those officers who are conscientious dislike the job”. I did not say that they were all not conscientious. MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, I do appreciate the very deep concern which Mrs. ELLIOTT has about this particular Motion. Admittedly, there are many officers who are dedicated in carrying out their responsibilities in the Resettlement Department. Perhaps some of them will not like these additional responsibilities. I cannot blame them because many of them feel that the conditions of service are not sufficiently attractive. On the other hand we do know that conditions are quite chaotic in many of the older resettlement estates and we must seek a solution to the improvement of living conditions in the estates. I think we should support this Motion because it is an attempt to alleviate the situation there but we will have to review the situation from time to time and see what improvement takes place and what corrective measures are necessary, if any, should there be any discrepancies.

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The question was put.

CHAIRMAN: Mrs. ELLIOTT?

MRS. ELLIOTT:-I want to abstain because I am not clear which part of it.

The Motion was carried with 17 votes for and 1 abstention.

(4) MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT AND MARKETS SELECT COMMITTEES, moved the following Motion :-

SCHEDULE.

Resettlement Officer.

Assistant Resettlement Officer.

Resettlement Assistant.

He said: I rise to move the Motion standing in my name.

My Friend, Mr. Henry Hu, in introducing the preceding Motion, has referred to the new problems which we are likely to encounter with the new concept of modular markets. The Motion moved by Mr. Hu provides powers for the control of marketing activities generally in the modular markets. However, to enable the Resettlement Depart- ment to exercise proper management of these markets, it will also be necessary for them to be able to control the activities of unauthorised persons both within the modular markets and throughout the environs of the estates. It is important that this control should be available instantly when required, and the purpose of the Motion now before you is to vest authority in certain grades of Resettlement Staff to enable them to take quick and effective action whenever it may be necessary.

Sir, I beg to move.

MR. RAYMOND Y, K. KAN:-I beg to second the Motion.

CHAIRMAN:-The Motion has been proposed and seconded. Does any Member wish to speak?

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I would clarify this point. The reason I abstained on the first one was that Mr. Hu mixed up a bit

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of the second one in the first one and I did support the first one but not the extra remarks about the officers. I would like to oppose this Motion. I am sorry to do so as you won't get a unanimous vote but I am surprised and disappointed that such a Motion should be called for at this time. The officers for our estates are not properly trained for this job. Those who are conscientious dislike it. Those who are less conscientious have exercised their powers with much discrimina- tion. It is a well-known fact not only among the tenants of the estates but also in certain Government departments with which I have had discussions that the officers will only take action against the poor, the weak, the old and the handicapped as these are the ones most easy to suppress. The worst elements are left to do exactly as they like. Before passing a Motion of this kind I would like to invite Members to go and see for themselves the chaos that exists and the discrimination that is evident on every hand. I oppose the Motion.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, I think we must be very fair with the staff of the Resettlement Department. In the course of my Ward duties, I am speaking in support of the Motion, I am very grateful to the officers, particularly officers of these three ranks, Resettlement Officer, Assistant Resettlement Officer and Resettlement Assistant. They are very conscientious and very dedicated to their duty. Of course you know there are one or two black sheep here and there but I think to categorically say that they are not doing their duty conscientiously is not fair to them and it is a new project and most of the officers of this rank are young men with a lot of potentiality and I think it is apt that they be given a chance to prove themselves and I support this Motion wholeheartedly.

MRS. ELLIOTT:---Mr. Chairman, may I clarify a point? Because Mr. CHAN didn't understand my English may I repeat it, I said “those officers who are conscientious dislike the job”. I did not say that they were all not conscientious.

MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, I do appreciate the very deep concern which Mrs. ELLIOTT has about this particular Motion. Admittedly, there are many officers who are dedicated in carrying out their responsibilities in the Resettlement Department. Perhaps some of them will not like these additional responsibilities. I cannot blame them because many of them feel that the conditions of service are not sufficiently attractive. On the other hand we do know that conditions are quite chaotic in many of the older resettlement estates and we must seek a solution to the improvement of living conditions in the estates. I think we should support this Motion because it is an attempt to alleviate the situation there but we will have to review the situation from time to time and see what improvement takes place and what corrective measures are necessary, if any, should there be any discrepancies.

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