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DR. R. H. S. LEE, CHAIRMAN OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL HYGIENE SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion:
Citation.
Amendment of paragraph 2. (G.N.A. 83/61).
That under by-law 4 of the Public Conveniences (Conduct and Behaviour) By-laws, 1961, the Urban Council hereby makes the following Order:
1. This Order may be cited as the Public Conveniences (Charges) (Amendment) Order, 1964.
2. The Public Conveniences (Charges) Order, 1961, is amended by the addition, at the end of paragraph 2, of the following new item-
"(8) Public Latrine at the North Point Vehicular Ferry Concourse."
He said: Mr. Chairman, according to the order on the agenda in which these motions are placed, I can assure Mr. SALES and other Appointed Members that the Official side does not favour the Elected side. In the old days the order of placing the motions was always according to seniority. I think, with the exception of Mr. BERNACCHI, I am the next senior member of this Council. So by right, mine should be placed first. (Laughter). If it is the question of time, then I do not see why Mr. FUNG should have the early opportunity to slip his motion in before mine. (Laughter).
Like public open spaces the number of public latrines show a marked increase following a policy laid down some years ago by the Urban Council when the Council in those days was still on the top floor of the antiquated General Post Office Building. When I rose on the last occasion to move a similar motion in respect of the public latrine at the Beaconsfield Arcade, many Members questioned the wisdom of siting it in the centre of the banking district where land is the most expensive in the Colony, not realizing that it merely reprovisioned the one that was at the junction of Garden Road and Queen's Road. However, Mr. Chairman, I am happy to-day to inform Members that the new public latrine at the North Point Vehicular Ferry Concourse is now ready for use. The latrine has 37 compartments: 22 are for men and 15 for women, and of these, 6 compartments for men and 7 for women will be 10-cent coin-operated compartments. In order to comply with the provisions of By-law 4(1) of the Public Conveniences (Conduct and Behaviour) By-laws, it is necessary for the Council to make an Order and for this purpose I now move the following motion that stands in my name:
That under by-law 4 of the Public Conveniences (Conduct and Behaviour) By-laws, 1961, the Urban Council hereby makes the following Order:-
1. This Order may be cited as the Public Conveniences (Charges) (Amendment) Order, 1964.
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2. The Public Conveniences (Charges) Order, 1961, is amended by the addition, at the end of paragraph 2, of the following new item-
"(8) Public Latrine at the North Point Vehicular Ferry Concourse."
DR. P. F. Woo seconded.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I rise not to speak either for or against this motion but merely on a point of order. Our colleague Dr. Raymond LEE has made a statement concerning the order of motions on the agenda. I suggest, Mr. Chairman, that this is an appropriate matter for the serious consideration of the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee, of which Mr. BERNACCHI himself is the Chairman. (Laughter). May I ask you to request the Secretary to put this matter on the agenda for the meeting on Friday because I am most sympathetic with the representations which Dr. LEE has made in such an eloquent manner. (Laughter).
CHAIRMAN: --I will be glad to do so, Sir.
MR. BERNACCHI:---On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, and with all respect to yourself, I think the Secretary puts in the Order Paper the motions as they are received as he does with the questions, and until I am convinced of a more appropriate procedure, I think that is the correct procedure, and I see no reason why it should be referred to the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee who have very much on their plate already in dealing with recommendations as to new classes of voters and new election procedure.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I rise not on a point of order but on a point of clarification under Standing Orders. Mr. BERNACCHI, being an Elected Member, is most reticent, Mr. Chairman, to meet with the valid point made by Dr. LEE. Well, I myself agree entirely with Mr. BERNACCHI as to what the proper procedure should be. Nevertheless, the Appointed Members have been charged with having been favoured by the Department and I would like this matter to be thoroughly examined so that a proper paper could be submitted to the Council to satisfy every single doubt that Dr. LEE might have on the subject.
DR. LEE:-Mr. Chairman, may I exercise my right of reply?
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I beg your pardon. There is no right of reply because I did not speak on the motion. I spoke on a point of order and to clarify that point of order. So there is no right of reply.
MR. WATSON: -I think Dr. LEE has his right of reply at the end of the debate.
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DR. R. H. S. LEE, CHAIRMAN OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL HYGIENE SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion :·
Citation.
Amendment
of para- graph 2. (G.N.A. 83/61).
That under by-law 4 of the Public Conveniences (Conduct and Behaviour) By-laws, 1961, the Urban Council hereby makes the following Order:
1. This Order may be cited as the Public Con- veniences (Charges) (Amendment) Order, 1964.
2. The Public Conveniences (Charges) Order, 1961, is amended by the addition, at the end of para- graph 2, of the following new item-
"(8) Public Latrine at the North Point Vehicular
Ferry Concourse."
He said: Mr. Chairman, according to the order on the agenda in which these motions are placed, I can assure Mr. SALES and other Appointed Members that the Official side does not favour the Elected side. In the old days the order of placing the motions was always according to seniority. I think, with the exception of Mr. BERNACCHI, I am the next senior member of this Council. So by right, mine should be placed first. (Laughter). If it is the question of time, then I do not see why Mr. FUNG should have the early opportunity to slip his motion in before mine. (Laughter).
Like public open spaces the number of public latrines show a marked increase following a policy laid down some years ago by the Urban Council when the Council in those days was still on the top floor of the antiquated General Post Office Building. When I rose on the last occasion to move a similar motion in respect of the public latrine at the Beaconsfield Arcade, many Members questioned the wisdom of siting it in the centre of the banking district where land is the most expensive in the Colony, not realizing that it merely reprovisioned the one that was at the junction of Garden Road and Queen's Road. However, Mr. Chairman, I am happy to-day to inform Members that the new public latrine at the North Point Vehicular Ferry Concourse is now ready for use. The latrine has 37 compartments: 22 are for men and 15 for women, and of these, 6 compartments for men and 7 for women will be 10-cent coin-operated compartments. In order to comply with the provisions of By-law 4(1) of the Public Conveniences (Conduct and Behaviour) By-laws, it is necessary for the Council to make an Order and for this purpose I now move the following motion that stands in my name:
That under by-law 4 of the Public Conveniences (Conduct and Behaviour) By-laws, 1961, the Urban Council hereby makes the following Order :-
1. This Order may be cited as the Public Con- veniences (Charges) (Amendment) Order, 1964.
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2. The Public Conveniences (Charges) Order, 1961, is amended by the addition, at the end of paragraph 2, of the following new item-
"(8) Public Latrine at the North Point Vehicular
Ferry Concourse."
DR. P. F. Woo seconded.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I rise not to speak either for or against this motion but merely on a point of order. Our colleague Dr. Raymond LEE has made a statement concerning the order of motions on the agenda. I suggest, Mr. Chairman, that this is an appropriate matter for the serious consideration of the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee, of which Mr. BERNACCHI himself is the Chairman. (Laughter). May I ask you to request the Secretary to put this matter on the agenda for the meeting on Friday because I am most sympathetic with the representations which Dr. LEE has made in such an eloquent manner. (Laughter).
CHAIRMAN: --I will be glad to do so, Sir.
MR. BERNACCHI:---On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, and with all respect to yourself, I think the Secretary puts in the Order Paper the motions as they are received as he does with the questions, and until I am convinced of a more appropriate procedure, I think that is the correct procedure, and I see no reason why it should be referred to the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee who have very much on their plate already in dealing with recommendations as to new classes of voters and new election procedure.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I rise not on a point of order but on a point of clarification under Standing Orders. Mr. BERNACCHI, being an Elected Member, is most reticent, Mr. Chairman, to meet with the valid point made by Dr. LEE. Well, I myself agree entirely with Mr. BERNACCHI as to what the proper procedure should be. Nevertheless, the Appointed Members have been charged with having been favoured by the Department and I would like this matter to be thoroughly examined so that a proper paper could be submitted to the Council to satisfy every single doubt that Dr. LEE might have on the subject.
DR. LEE:-Mr. Chairman, may I exercise my right of reply?
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I beg your pardon. There is no right of reply because I did not speak on the motion. I spoke on a point of order and to clarify that point of order. So there is no right of reply.
MR. WATSON: -I think Dr. LEE has his right of reply at the end of the debate.
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