BUDGET DEBATE.
YESTERDAY'S FULL DRESS DISCUSSION.
Sir Henry Pollock.
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persuade the Government that we classes, the stallholder hawker, who the draining of the nullahs. Dr. case before me shall be glad certainly could not have embarki ed on an expenditure of over tys must have a really big staff to is the stationary hawker, and the Woodman's report has been studied to show how that case standя. grapple with the Increasing work itinerant hawker, and also incronso by the Department, and the areas The Colonial Secretary. lakhs of dollars morely for pros The Colonial Secretary: I would päring a site, and that was whit of the Colony. I have other com the number as far as possible, also which are most affected and re- ments to make in Committee upon ronerving certain hawkers' stalls for ported on as being affected by the like to, refer to various remarks the amount of the lowest tendy- Itens under Public Works extra-doserving cases. That, I think, the anopheles mosquitoes are receiving of hon members in connection was. I hope it will be p÷ble, di Secretary of Chinese Affairs will attention by various departments with the Estimates that have not find a more satisfactory site, und.
-drainage and public works. already been dealt with. In the in that case I think, no doubt wo... Official Replica.
With regard to the remark of the speech of the hon. member who shall have to abandon the suggest Yesterday afternoon's meating that it is very essential that steps
na possible whenever a deserving hon, senior Chinese member as to represented the Chamber of Com-fed site.
As reganda tha. Forestry and, of the Legislative Council, at be taken to see that the mai-
The Hon Captain Superinten case is brought to my notice.
merce, he expressed the hope that the colour of the water, I am which a full dress dabato took sheds of the coolies, and parti-
the typhoon Botanical Department, f. quits. dent of Polico: Sir the nine
provide stall.
the remainder afrald chlorination does not alter their Intrinos. should place on the Colony's Budget for cularly
question was raised by the hou. holder, ficences, as these stalls are it and it must be Inid to the chargo
buoys would completed in Jagree with the hon. member that catchwaters noxt year, lasted for nearly be below the
and member representing the. Chauber really remmerative; They pay of rapid filtration, which, we hope, ample time for their possible need a great deal more could be ded tbroo hours. Yesterday wo which they arc
next year. I think a.reference was in the way of planting flowering, gave
I do not know of Commerce of Police Department a mouth and they seem to do very will be improved. tho opoochon delivered not above them.
As regards the total number Hon. Mr. Holyoak: I should call made to that quite recently in con-shrubs and plants. A great de by the Hon. Mr. P. R. Holyoak, whether that point has received licences being issued to Europeans well.
nection with a vote for a certain has been done in various parts the Hon. Mr. Chou Shou-son attention in the past, but hope on the 1st January, 1 may say, Sir. of hawkers, I think anyone going It want of filtration..
number of buoys. 1
said the Island, chielly at the instijl and the Hon. Mr. H. W. Bird, it will receive attention in the that the Palice Department is at round the Chinese portion of the
that it was hoped to complete tion of the late Sir Henry. May whilst appended will be found future.
July next and the only trouble might be tak the remainder of the interesting,
Malaria.
kinde of licences, some, of which, the side of having too few in the The Direct of Public Works: The them not later
removal of plants by theft or case- discussion.
Another point of general in-such as virksla and drivers licences, streets in the Eastern and Western, Hon. Mr. Bird asked for informa-year
The position with regard to lessness of people who do not. 'tion with regard to the scheme of in Hongkong and
Also re-realise the trouble taken to plant terest is the question of malaria, represent 12,000 to 12,000 or even districts of
lghting. Such # scheme does publle telephones That is just
As I and the other day. As you are well aware, Sir,, the more livenera.
Yaumati the streets are na full na exist and we are gradually intro ferred to not very long age, and them.
effect It was to the
that there and as your Excellency remarked had the privilege of reading the number of cases in the Colony in fiteni, but I understand that the hon, they can be with hawkers
We can ducing it. At the present time, the speech which my honourable friend the year 1923 was in excess of meher merely referred to what he got have any are there. We never number of electric lights in Hong-were proposals locally for forming your speech, an area is being representing the Chamber of Com those in 1922, and although it has called European, Beences, I wouldį. merce has just given to the Coun- been suggested that to a certain like to point out that at the present refuse itinerant licences to hawkers kong is 423 and the number of gas company to take over the pro- planted with fir trees near Taipo" to make all necessary improve geney, and no doubt other areas extent it is due to the importation time dose and arms licences are alin lying districts, but in the lamps 1,567. Installation of high perty of the existing company and to provide for firewood in emer ly with what has fallen from him. of the Chinese regiment from Wei-rently issued on the 1st January, as Central district, we must necessarily power lights is being proceeded 1 shall, in the remarks I have to hal-wel. I do not think that that are alo private vehicle lieners, tail the number of stall-holders with both in Hongkong and Kowments, and the whole question has will be found where it is possible make, break into new matter, explanation by any means covers such as private risksing and private and itinerant hawkers. Every maloon every year, and in the main been held over until the return to extend plantations for that pre-
roads, especially in the City. The of certain gentlemen to the Colony, pose,
I think it should be possible to
The Peak Tramway. which he has not already dealt the facts of the case. I think that chairs, which are the only opens that who wants a new licence want one
Hongkong Gas Company bas
As regards rapid transit to 17 with, and naturally, Sir, in looking those of us who live on the Peak)
affect Eurojans. Aa regards motors,Į naturally for the Crutcul district suspended light on order. It is proceed very shortly now with the
the Eistem or Western districts or
whether the Peak, various schemes have bea for matters for comment and eri are well aware that the prevalencof which is the only other serious item} Vanuali, where he would do a much shortly. The lighting of the vari. Colony will take over the existing put forward at one time or another
hoped that these will be introduced consideration as to ticism we must in the first instance f mo-quitoes aratand Mount
{to mopsider under this head, Biere!
for an alternative line to Victoria look to Public Work Extraordin- Rellett, especialy
pus roads and streets is uaunily company.
With regard to fares for chairs Peak-a line straight up from ary. The frat lem which I wish and west sides, is still very great. Jure rangldy 1,500 ears and forries in bigger business,
and 100 eyeles
xiven to the company, electrical or to refer to is with regard to the and we submit that the Gavern-the, Colony now
and rickshas, and vehicles, I must Wanchai to Wanchai Gap and having existing mains gas, rather more! new Fire Brigade Station, The ment should take
drastic There are
A few figuves may be of interest. cables in the roads in which the say I am in agreement with the tramway in the neighbourhand-of
Chinese member original estimate is stated to have measures than they have already drivers, of whom sot more than ten
and Garden Road to Wanchal Gap.. A
bren
revised done with a view to exterminating per cent are European. It would be In 1930 20 there were 7,207 hawker lights are to be placed, bat not in
should like to see the minimum survey has been going on for Fomo Jail cases.
2 The time for line from 'near The approve nusquitoes in that district. Com-extinely difficult to alter the dates, tirenees, in 1920-21 there were 7381.
fare increased to 10 cents.
to Wanchai. Gap, ed estimate for 1924 is $300,000. ing to the north side of the hill, which are at present arranged · infin togree there were 7,803, in 122-23:
subject has been considered and Garden Road
and although Wo have nuk the revised estimate of expenditure, there are mullahs under the Penk nider to enable the licensing staff there were 9,197, mud for the year marks about compensation
the general view Was that, al The modifications though the minimum far of five received IL fuil report yet for 1924 is $100,000, and the tram lines that certainly require in the Police Office to deal with the which closed on the 1st September modifications. estimate of expenditure for 1925, to be drained in the interests of various different kinds of crores' tast we issued 84, wo that we are most frequently granted relate to cents is allowed, it is practically we are told the cugineers find the
Section 180 of the Public Health $600,000. In connection with this public health.
route in practicable, with a fairly la universal custom they have, la deal witli, Were it' praefiestly issuing a little over a
for persons and Building Ordinance, but work, which hus hung fire for Now, eressing the barbour tossible to issue Earngiran motor thousand more now than we were in- scavenging lanes are, allowed to Personally I should
going on Journeys to pay 10 cents, casy gradient of one in eleven. We are hoping to get the report have great some Uitne, There ha been laid Kowloon foothills. WP have a heures separately that would certaine A large number of pers count as open space en condition hesitation in thinking there are very soon-I had hoped to have it upon the table of the Council just instance whure there ja fainly quite easily be down, but I wishing to
apply for bawkers' that no compensation 39 pald now a paper, Se. 11 of 1924, with great risk of fever, and has isso all motor Restiers on the int fieeners are not so much boys as therefor. If these modifications ten cents, but it is the custom extra communication to the Penk a great many people who do not to-day-and the subject of what reference to the Fire Station, but hesitation in particularly mentiJanuary would be containly very persons who have fled from the inter- were not granted the amount of Chinese to make a bargain and shall be made will be considered. I must confess that that paper does¦ing this districts because of the furt not seem to me to be sufficiently that enormous developments have much more difficult. On the whole for of China and who do not low compensation payable explanatory of the position. That been going on there at The foot ggest that the present system what to da when they get heres Government would be very large, pay less than the legal fare. At 1 am not entirely convinced of (the present tram accommodation ja a continet, which of the hills. paper refers to
las allowed to remain, particularly They ady for hawkers liceures; It seems absurd to consider any rate, I am in entire agree. what is constantly being said, that
Chineso ment with the was tunde for some work on the We have the new Kowloon Hos. view of the fact that in the case was cannot possibly accommodate suggestion that modification should member that some increase should adequate. People have ocen- 11th. July this year. It does not pital not far off
the old of motor ears individual motions are them, for the streets would be in-be granted and compensation paid be made and that from
the minimum tonally to wait for trams at cer in any way explain what was being road which in the old days divided | sont to downers
tain times of the day, as they have Surely that. I think, passable if we endeavoured to do so, in addition. Several modifications fare should be 10 cents.
in other places. I think the pre- of Section 188 of the Public Health done last year. It does not explain our territories from
of should be sufftricat. thuse
As regards the outlying districts, no
Magistrates. who put in that original estimate) Chia, and we have also the Row, VERMORE THAN A PIT
und Building Ordinance have re- fixed under is laid down, but wantly been granted, allowing the Magistrates, the question of ap-/rare occasions, is adequate: ht With regard to the number of sent tram service, except on quite for the Fire Brigade Station of loon Tong scheme for housing a
Scales of Fares. $1,110.000 and it does not explain number of people
Just restrict the number of licences erection of buildings more than 70 pinting a second Magistrate for perhaps I am not in accord with of all races. who it was or under what Director We have big building development might refer to the question raised
Whilst on the subject id vehicles granted in the populous districts.
feet in height and containing morethe Magistracy in Victoria has the opinion of others on that. the sum of $100,000 was expected at Sham Shui Pe, and also big with regard to the scale of fares.
than four storeys. The usual con- Public Works. this year.
in fact I eaves a good developments in
a right to express na ditions upon which such madifica-been considered. It was thought travel by it a great deal, so I think. that when the opening of the deal to be imagined by this Coun-hood of Kowlsơn City.
The Gures were considered by the
tions are issued include the fol- The Director of Public Works (lowing:
Kowloon Magistracy was started, opinion. Committee which was undertaking i ell. I should like to know what Government's Responsibilities,
work in Hongkong would be no-
The Military Landa,“ happened with regard to the pre-
[the revision of cruise regulations in! Sir, the hon. member representing] (1) Frontage Hae to be set back thing like so arduous, and that One other point raised by the Well Sir, there can be no doub1941. The fares were then increased the Chamber of Commerce veferred if necessary to widen the street. vious contract and why it is that
that in the Interests of all these and a suuntar Connalitée not again.
one Magistrate would be able to hon. member representing th nothing was done as regards invit-
So far that has not Chamber of Commerce was the various classis un races it is me this year to revise the tuflit regu' to the speeding up of work
(2) Frontage line to be set backdeal with it. ik be ing tenders for this work until
the overament July of this your sumar that peritive that
over Crown land is permitted. stant help has had to be given. Military Lande--of reprovisioning. there has been an original estimateshold take drastic steps to externe there, and after careful words the passing of plans by the to widen the footpath if a verandah proved to be the case, and con- question of the present position of
Gar Club Hill possible the vnsideration. They came to the con p. W. 11. We have experienced great
(3). Scavenging Jane at the rear I see no reason why it should The
believe give the !
I CAN and a revised estimate, and a mate as tar
continue necessary, to the original estimate was given hyopheles nosquito, which, I have clusion that no realy urful purpose
hern assured by D}} Woodman, would be served by increasing them Buildings Ordinance Office staff to be provided. one party and the revised by un-
(4) A small open space to be help, but the question of appoint-complete, but flual plans haya Jarely in the service Ist this Tan time. Imit that at the is now up to strength. The number
...is the desire of the War Office do other, but as I say, Sir, even with Tolony, abounds in various pools (tive they had no Chines menüber of plais at present in this office provided at the ground level foring a second Magistrate in Vic-not been received and also it
torin will be considered. the explanation on the paper
the purpose of drainage, etc.
(5) All storeys intended to be The hon. member representing have a special staff for carrying have before the Council to-day,long that line of twothills. I lay to set than wh information on which have not yet been dealt with|| it does not seem to me that what special emphasis upon this point ihre subject, and 7 shout certainly, k approximately 180, with ayout 100 used for domestic habiation to be the Chumber of Commerce, in his out the whole of the reprovisioning has happened is afficiently ex-because it does not wem to me that r
ance with Section 179 of the Publle far distant when the Government bend of that staff, who, Instead af plained. No doubt the Governe have got any particular depart could be given with a view to show awaiting amendments by architects provided with open space in arc-rd-speech, said: "The time is not and also to have one man at the tient in buis Colony which takes tag whether it a really necesskey to I may said that if architects sub Health and Building Ordinance. will have to consider the closing going away in the middle of the ment will be able to explain must
during thr. upon itself this amstion of deal. ters further,
fing with alarialer other mes-ime the endlies themselves have
Meram the far At the preseubmitted plans which complied with (6) Buildings to be of :e-inforced of the major part of the Kennedy work, will be here
concrete construction throughout. Town Hospital." I take it he was whole period of rom--·*
- uvislosing, quitoes. I think the Government, made no representations. They are His Excellency: Might should recognise that it is the not show in thing so through their the delay in pausing plans which to the satisfaction of the Fallding Hospital.
(7) Fire escapes to be provided referring to the Government Ci»-»!;
ant there may be continuity at the hond of affairs. The whole. gest to the hon. member that iti
esponsibility to take steps to set No. 1 if they are any Tyresenta prescut existe
Authority and the Captain Super- would perhaps be more convenient that puls og running water, where
Hon. Mr. Holyoak: Oh, yeş. stuff, as far as possible, will re- intendent of Police.
main here throughout that time, i If he dealt with individual pantenophries are likely to bedtion to wake to the Captaần Superiu
The Civil Hospital. Mechanical fitting has been re-j when the Bill comes
Sir Henry Pollock: May I amk (8) Fire-fighting appliancese fe before the should be effectively dealt with tendent of Tedders and as "regardų, Gommittee and when we
The Colonial Secretary: And of That, as yra kaw Sir, be provided the satisfaction of moving it or the greater part of If anything further has been heard with reference to Military -Lande ither be putting til over then the Chinese They manually bargain on ferred to utain more fully.
For by callaha or by such meatures the seah of "fares and dines not is being introduced and every effort the Captain Superintendent of
it to a more favourable site, Sir Henry Pollock: Yes, Sird
with regard to placing the matter afraid cannot agree with him There are a number of items inff as the M. D. H. recommend. Torffert them much. They trially will be male to speed up the order These conditions appear to me there. I think one result of the before an arbitrator on the que Public Works Extraord nury thatciently dealing with the evil,
I mice, Sir, in the P.C.MO.KKrieksła.
opening of the Kowloon Hospital, tion of compensation? I wish to refer to, but I will follow!
H. E. the Governor: I have a report to last year, that a number your Excellency's Intimation and young children were admitted!
As regrands can protection of rick fout some have been received and retrograde step to modify them in which we hope will take place next]
August, and the subsequent open-despatch from the Secretary of will now deal with matitera 7t
to the Victoria Hospital sufferingkas during dad weather, it came some are sa their way from England)
Eng of the War Memorial Nursing State containing certain curres- relating to sproial item in
The Treasury. from a form of mangial fever. 1newhar as a surprise to me to to the Colóny. It is hoped that
Home and the opening of the pondence in reply to a communica Estimates;
think generally there is great risked the aprons were za "bad. The when a law-where the ensen zuil- With reference. Sir, to the quest, unless the Government take ekshus with
Hon. Mr. C. Mcl. Messer: Sir, Maternity Hospital in connection tion I addressed to them. So far tion of typhoid. I have spoken a
song measures for the checking examined in less than tre a quar of the bot mechanical filters are marks with regard to the Widows'have the effect of reducing the the hon. member raised has heen the hon. member made some re. with the Hospital at the Peak, will as my memory serves, the pod good teal with my humourable
of malari, we shall find it conter at the Central Police Station, introduced, the rosief given to the and Orphans' Fund. I think he is fumber of patients in the Govern-overlooked or ignored by the War friend who represents the Cham-tatly on the
In the They are beugeot up fully equipped, ordinary slow sand filters will over under a misapprehension as to how neut Civil Hospital. I fully re- Oflee. At any rate, it
with their two eolies, who have to come our great difficulties which at its worked.
View, but For many years cognise that the position of the agreed to accept my #P.W.D. Staff.
be in uniform. They are inspected;
a separate investment Government Civil Hospital is not otherwise showed a reasonable I am very glad indeed to see, by the Traffic Inspector, sisil all the present exist in rushing beds where fand kept for these contribution a suitable one, but the grounds and spirit. I am afraid the particular
Government have aprites, as well as the tops in the inadequate,"
in payment of peusions.
For the position of the quarters for point referred to was ignored. tion should be put into operation Sir, that the
CommigenUS this ease of chairs, have all to bear the
various reasons that system was the nursing sisters are excellent. Sir Henry Pollock:, I think, Sir, at the earliest possible moment. Try In connection with the possible Budget in regard to the increase number of the particular ricksha
altered and now contributions The grounds of the Government the point should be pressed. from the members are paid into Civil Hospital, I think, are one of
H. E. the Governor: The point question of pollution of the water, of the staff of the P. W. D. In so that it should be difficult to sub- I would draw adtention to the fact this Couneli for more years past stitute old enes after they have left, Reference was also made by the Government account, while the the vary fow onses in old Victoria, will be raised again. that there are a great number of than I care to remember have the Pelic compound. However, in Chinese member to Pokfulum. It ties of paying pensions. The ion. veniently place for the mass of the site at Laichikok is
hon. member and the senior Government takes over all liabili. The Hospital is extremely con- The Colonial Secretary: The now being hrillding operations going on constantly en arging
up the view of the remarks of the hon is regretted that the Pokfulam member also expressed the opinion population on thin side, although examined. If the amount of rock. different pa ts of the Clany, and Government that public
to the work being done on Stabba pension inadequate. Of
course, not have put it in exactly the same able to make sites for the various poirt has been represented to melcarried out without an aicrease of Badget WULD
Road, bat every effort is made to naturally the amount of pension place. Still, I think it has served military buildings, the question of by others--that net nearly wilkent staff. but until this
intercept drainage and there is now depends on the amount of contri-its purpose as a general hospital) whether Laichikok site will be attordion is paid to the meter of produced! have always been
the ured that the fugerament was With regard to the question mised a latrine accommodation for
marked. Improvement The bation, and I have not yet heard extremely well. The question of suitable will have to be considered, coolies employed on these different making quté suttelem increase of soncoruing lawkers' licenres by sheastern filter beds will come to the that ofcers wish to contributo onisters' become entitled to is under far enough yet to
the pensions which the Auring This work has not been presser works. Think, Sir, with regard staff and that I was really asking senior member representing the assistance of that part of the town.
come to any In higher scale. The calculation bigger staff than
was Chine comununity, this question of These filter beds are to be brought of pensions and contributions was consideration.. Wa have, roceived decision... to the Foxtulum reservoir, that foru
into operation next month worked, out by an actuary. The Information from various places Subordinate Asiatic Officers. is not unreasonable to suppose the warranted by the case am very restricting the number of hawkers'
certain portion of them. some of the contamination, which to see that they have come liceres came rp for discursion s
tables from which those pensions and the matter will be gone into
The Bonfor Unofficial Chinese I understand. has been asee:tained the view in this budget that for yours . At that time the With regard to malarin, thẻ mox-am taken gut were made by an very shortly
member spoke on the subject of to exist in tant reservoir during this increase in staff is decessary. hawkers' litices had been reduced quitoes on the south and west side eminent actuary at Home on the
The Lunatic. Asylum./2 allowancea for subordinate Asiatie It is not right to say that the officers, and was kind enough to the past qummer, has been due to This, as I say, has been constantly to souchers in this neighbourhood of Mount Kellet and the nalihhs of very best figures then availabic. the fact that doclfus have been at urged, not only by myself but as of 0000: At the request at the then the Penk tanway have Imd: our Since that time concussions have it posed for the Lunatic tell us that Mr. Chau Siu-kl, the
Asylum near Laichikok has been Hob, Mr. Kotowall and himself hat.. work on n' haw' mctor road befother Unofficial members of the senior member, the late Mr. Laufattention.~. The difficulties met beon given on
Anally abandoned. It is quite true drafted a formula. That formula tween the Old Homestead and the Council. for many years past.
With reference to the need of Chu-pak,
into the with are that contractors will n marriage and, on weal
that tenders have been received will, no doubt, reach us in time: Peak Hospital. In mantlaning this i
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"point, I should alsó-like to suggest, speeding up public works, the Un-matter very carefully and workout linell hinor work." E have childYen, and in the last 25 years for preparing the silo. They were have been waiting for it for In regard to the many.eatchwaters officials have contended for many was decided to do, two- thing been assisted byu promicent mem-some 20 per cent har best, added, vers, large, but whether it is pos- some time. In fact, I had givene
being contrated in this Colvny, yours wast and been trying to one, to divide the lawker into two
ber of tits Council in that respect, to all pensions. If the hop madethle to adapt a different scheme up all hond that. It was doming. and a contract has been let forber would like to bring a special as preparation I do not know. Wo
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