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their expenditure on

service. It is, I know, n babit amongst Chinese to marry very early, but in doing so I think they should be able to make some farally

Arrangement to cover a certain period of their service.

An Ambulance Launch.

THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH,

TUESDAY. NOVEMBER 4, 1924

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His. Excellency's Term.

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but he is going to consider that Council, and Concessions in Chitto drain nullahs and pools, but it view entirely. You will perceive, Director of Public Works, in re Municipal Councils throughout Hospital

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benefit the Colony very much of the fund was to provide for I should like if 1 may, to end from the ornamantation, point numerous sad cases which Kowloon side, the forces which are of Commerce which I need dwell without disadvantage. I may say that while I entirely appreciate

before us, of people who neglected now housed in Hongkong on. land on at the moment.

Public Health,

and share the hon. member's views, with a short personal statement alone.

I differ, Sir, entirely from you and had not takon the slightest and buildings belonging to the War

The hon, member representing and that the tank of anybody, with regard to a remark I made in Office, by means of using the con- tribution which at present provides the Justices of the Pence dealt studying and proposing economy my speech when introducing the on the subject of the Military trouble to provide insurance for not mado canter by remarks Budget, which, I observed, might Contribution. My view of the their widows. It is a system in bat now that it is coming the either wholly or in part for their up-largely with the question of public is Clovernment will consider the ex-keep, thng will forcene at once that health. The typhoid question has such as have been made this after- very probably be the last Budget I whole situation, (I do not pre- troduced in order that the widows 'caused a very considerable amount noon. There are three matters should pathape' put before the Coun- tend it to be the unofficial view and families of Civil Servants eil As the hon. member represent though I have good reason to be should not be reduced to the work- tension of the privilege to fleers they are asked to abandon all con-1 of controversy and, to some extent, in the Budget which I thought of less than ten years service on tributions from us with regard to controversy on the wrong lines. I might possibly not unreasonablying the Chamber of Commerce has leve it lo, this small island, Sir, house owing to the carelessness of is part of the British Empire. Wo the husband. It was to make sure the ground of: the modified scale suggested. the Garrison, and morely to pay regret. to say I have been unable be attacked

alght, however, inform my hon.

roto obtain flgures for this year, but undue expenditure. One was the slated to day, the Unofficin! memdo not pretend to pay for protec-that the widow at least received friend that the view the Governmoney they would at any rate

We pliment which I value very highly it. The Colony contributes in no ly penniless as has been the case rent is inclined to take with receive morely to re-establisli. thom I am under the impression that the great Increase in the staff of thebers of the Council paid mo the comtion. We have a right to ask for something, and was not left entire-

canca this Public Works Department.

excess have had two hon. mpfabers con- in suggesting to the Secretary of small part and in different ways in some instances in the past.

The question of the return on the ward to officers is that these junter selves elsewhere, a position which actual number of Asiatic officers in the service know they have never dosired particular-year is not much in

As yu nro aware, tribution is a great deal larger contribution is one which only an perfectly well the terms of their ly to adopt. I am afraid I should of last year. Unfortunately, it has gratulating themselves and the State that my term of office should to the Home Government: Its co it is certainly up to them to modelis Majesty's Government a pro-drawn public attention in conse-are at last at one on this matter, certain changes have taken place in than its area Indicates, and its actuary can settle, and I confess is employment when they join, and not feel it possible to put before been more concentrated and has Government on the fact that they be extenfled.

economical posal which would only be rejected quenco. The fact is that in any Another, the large increase of the Clement of Great Britain in value to the British Empire is la- entirely beyond me. The tables were The ques lines during their first years of and possibly somalt inpatiently. country you always get a certain police, which the hon. member as the lord law weeks, and the Secre-finitely greater than it is afton worked out at the rate of six por

amount of enteric during the hot sures un he recognises as essential tary of State very naturally and given credit for. We have a right, cont compound, interest

unable to not only to ask, but to demand tion in whether bocaue of the de- The Treaty Ports.

season, and I am afraid that what-for the Chinese community, and rightly said he

We are perfectly orense in the value of money and we cannot the fast was the provision for provide a possiblo successor in any protection. I am afraid it would be undesirable ever stops are taken

of this large sums of expenditure on the way. I can only say that if His willing to contribute aur quota for higher rates of interest, the tables discuss in public the question of hope to rid the Colony whether or not Hongkong is seriadiacase any more than any other railway, which, at present, runs Majesty intimated his wish that upkeep, but to ask us to support might ho calculated on a somewhat a reuniu here: it would give the whole defence, not only of higher rate. That is a mattor the ly muder-garrisoned, because perhaps country can hope to succeed in na far as the border. I confess The Sanitary Board has that If there was one item of the

great pleasure, and nothing this Colony, but of the greater Secretary of the loss said about these matters.doing so. especially at the prosent time, the recently provided the new type of Budget on which I had some doubt,

The Council then wout into Come With regard to the remarks by better. But I would observe that if latrine with which they hope to It was the desirability of expend-would give me greater pleasure than area which lies my hon. friend Mr. Bird. I would the statement that Hongkong was tempt the coollo to inhabit mat- ing money on the railway. I, how-to continue to work with this Coun-China, is a burden which the Bried with us about.

not going to accept. And for that mittee.

Under the hoading of Public say with regard to the new launch seriously under-garrisoned in correct, sheds on the Peak, so that one ever, thought it desirable to hope eil, as I have worked, harmoniously, tlsh Government has no right to

Unofficial Replies. for the Medical Department that

may see a through service running

reason I have again raised the and is accepted, it would appear to source of contamination may be for the best, and I trust that we for the last five years (Applause) force upon us, and which we are the question

Hon. Mr. Holyoak: I ask your Ex question. I do feel that if the ques- Works Extra linary, Sie Honry as to whether it

qinvolve an chlition to Ue Garrison, removed.

The Director of Public Works this year; and I am glad to notice could be made so as to be used as which again wonid, I fear, involve un teult with the question of malaria, the hon. member representing the cellency's permission to reply to tion was pat as I have suggested to Pollock drew attention to an item I think the the British communities and their on pag 81, regarding Victoria an ambulance launch will be con-

Ho said: This year We are doing as much as we can Chamber of Commerce share my one or two points. the addition to the Military Contribu- sidered.

naked I have

Whether ten Municipall tion. P.C.M.O. and I think it might be.

is a matter of intense difficulty, Gentlemen, when, in addition to ferring to the rapid filtration of China, they would feel that it was only $70,000 is being expended In-

new country nolat. Is is recognised that it is would be quite as coisonable as the whenever any

This is the expended next year will completo all necomary to have some means hon. meniler suggests is, I confere, being developed, to prevent the thought excessive, hon. members water, really meant the rapid passing reasonable that they should bestond of $139,000, and I should like

upon which

required at I spread of malaria owing to the urge us to make a considerable ad- of water without filtration, which has asked to pay for the right to call to ask whther the 8130,000 to be

is natural garrison point from which the work urging we are of conveying cases from ships to a

whole question formation of pools. It is impos. dition to our expenditure by the resulted in the complaints made upon the forces.

mechanical forces go, and I do feet, Str, that Hospital. My reason. Bir, for A ol hospital, and I hope it will be some doubt. The

the adoption lis ist the backsible to fill up your hollows as you increases granted for housing al-

water the whole burden of protection of nossible to bulld a nunch, pro- which realis

process which will filter

obviously undosirable thint the hably a little larger than intended, of the Military Contribution is go along without bringing the lowances, the task of the habitual so as to be able to use it as an this: Are we paying for the Gar-work to a continuous standstill. economist becomes more difficult.

With regard to the bon. Mr. very rapidly and which experience the island and what lies beyond it, putting this question, is that it is hes proved for over a year in this involving the whole of British in- rison because we want it, or are The result is that in a rainy sea-

necessary. It should be complotac ambulance when required.

have to Bird, I should like to say that Colony. The last report given to 'terests in China, should mot lie work should be delayed more than as only as possible, more paction- The naming of streels to which we paying for it or most of itson like this year you

me was that, from January to June entirely upon Hongkong.

Hospital Etc. best method of indicating the name 1924, there had been filtered an the hon. member referred is car because it is wanted for Imperial consider a number of pools about. entirely agree with him that the

Bady in the case of a hospital than Palisfactory way

I am glad. Sir, to bear that you any other building. tainly bad. I have often noticed, purposes" That is a matter which The only

and every will view with favour, if we sup-

The Director of Public Works: 1 myself. There is a very good, has formed the subject of contro- dealing with them is to of them, of a street in which one happens (average of 930 gallons per day,

I confess that the Colonial Secre-altered sample had been absolutely part it, the vote for the Alice The $13,000 to be expended will nratice in use in Canada of having, veray in my own knowledge for at and that is being done wherever to be is to put the name on a lamp-including Sundays,

Memorial and Affiliated Hospitals, the names on the pavement. I da least 30 years. I do not know that possible.

The hon. member referred to a tary's alternative of marking it on -- know whether that wauto do, the parties to the discussion have

I con-number of children admitted to the floor has never appealed to me

Bir Henry Pollock: That doos suitable means of dealing thousand gallona,

Hon. Mr. C. Montague Ede: 920, which has been suggested. I do complete the work next year

not think it could be quite fairly! here. Perhaps the Director of ever come to an agreement. Public Works may be able to de-feas that, taking the view of a man Victoria Iuspitul. Weil, malaria as a

Hon. Mr. Holyoak: Yes, 930 said that it is entirely a religious not seem tu ngren with the revised thousand gallons. They go on 'hospital. I know the work of the estiranto.

1. E The Clovernor: I think we vies come means of putting un of peace. It has sometimes occur with an adult is a misfortune, in with the bipeds whose eyes very good the case of a child it is a blunder usually glued to the ground. ramen of the streets so that they red to me that, our

friends the Military of this Colony on its parents part. We are be The hon. member mentioned the to say they have touched one mil-hospital intimately, and while it is

Development Department. lion gallons per day on one or two based generally on the broad prin-ught to have another column in the ahall be seen clearly,

any case, what we The road to Capo D'Aquilar in a have a somewhat imposing number ginuing to realise that we do not Port

have occasions, and they have touched cipal of religion because. of its Latimates showing the expenditure for difficult enn to make, and of officers of high rank, and I thick know so much about malaria and In

the actual, two millions over 24 hours from name and of the manner in which at the end of 1992, I am afraid I is nocturnal in its plans drawn up by Sir

Mau- January to June.

What we are it came into being, there is no did not discover it until too late.

Queen's College. relieve an expensive one, and an it in it might be possible to induce the mosquitoes as we used to. The paid

Sir Henry Pollock: It is satisfac eply to be used practically for officiar Office to state whether this anophel as al purposes it is not thought advis, desire, which has been apparent habits, it does not wander round rice Fitzmaurice, but his ad- urging in that the matter should hospital in this Colony administer- since the War, to make two biting in the hours of the day vice generally, and whether his not be left for long consideration, led on broader lines, and no hospi-

tal that admits Chinese more free-tory that it will be completed next (Continued on Page 12). one has when children should be out, and plans are or are not adopted we

The question I wish to nek able to widon it. On the general colonels grow

kigrown before, is entirely to the if mothers take care the children have very valuable information that telegraphic request be made ly or perhaps attains better re-year.

the plant

besults. It is not that I advocate it is with reference to new should question of width of roads, I think;

be in proference to any other haspl-College. I notice in connection it is now recognised that when the interests of this Colony or to the come in at a reasonable hour for and advice, for which I may say that width of 29 feet was adopted w interests of the forces in this children, and that their mosquito we are paying what appears to me sent out, and that it should

I quite an adequate fee.

installed as soon

first tal, but it is doing a work on bo-with the building that the original the £13

worthy estimate is ena million dollars, the did not realise the sizes of motor country which.. I would observe, net is properly looked after,

now include a part of the Garrison think the number of

Road Widéning.

arrives, so that you have an ex-half of the Colony which rehicles, and the roads Dre

I am afraid I cannot agree with perimental process at work over a of all the Government can give it approved estimate of expenditure the further For that reason I have advocated for 102 $100,000, the notunl expondi- The question being made 28 feet, which makes here, a battalion in Tientsin, and pearing in the Victoria would be

that very much respected body in somewhat smullet.

ture 0,000, and that the ludicrous very great deal of difference.

His Excellency's Further Reply. [sum of in,000 in the entiinated ox- The scheme for port development Peking, the Legation Guard. That of prevention of malaria cannot the hon. member's views about few months before

It appears to me to be not at all filter beds,

Commandeered.

H. E. the Governor: I should like ponditure for 1880. We shall ex- 15, I believe, practically ready now, is a point which deserves con-be dealt with solely by the Govern-compensations and resumptions, plant is installed at the other an increase in the vote.

Iment. You must have populari lunreasonable that when a man and I had hoped we could have bad sideration by the War Office.

support. People do not realise wishes to obtain something at the My impression of the Widows to deal with the point of Widewapend only Bit0,000 out of the mil that mosquitoes will brued, and It to the Chamber of Commerce and The next point in the hon. mem-

fis their business to see that there expense of the community he and Orphans' Fund, Sir, as far as jand Orphans' Pensions which the lion dollars I suggest that ther under for consideration when!

ber's speech is the question of the!

the community the exponse of that these funds were to a very system which is embodied in an work should be gone on with and member up-1 it is ready. The hon.

im- large extent commandeered by the Ordinance, which says that in re- completed, and we shall then have immediate neighbourhood,

which the present bears to think that a large cum grant to the Allee Memorial Hos-re no breeding places in their should also endeavour to return to my recollection goes bac

pital. I should like to make quite manny has been wasted in the pre, clear to the Council my own posi-people who complain most bitterly, what generally umounts to

opinion expression. It is perfectly true par cent of an officer's salary, aablo alto on my tion. I have always felt that it is against the Government should provement to his own property, Government. I can use no other turn for a certain payment, four at our disposal the extremely valu were pension of a certain amount, vary- Queen's College stande. I should too, that Government servants far spend work done for the consulting en very undesirable that the Govern- quitoes are not breeding on their

Imuch. We are constanly be- circulated, and that they agreed jing according to age, will be avall like to know why it is that less has The work that ment should propose either a grant

wwn particular premises. geers is not lost.

ling charged sums which ceriain, to the money being used by the able. The original fund was becu spent this your than has been Chinese Matters.

balow Government in a

way that was wound up many years ago and anticipated, while a very small suni appear to be Hey called upon us to do is nacess or increuse of grunt to any institu-,

The bon, senior Chinese, member y never ay for any scheme that is adopted thun which has any denominational,

the lowest market price, and cer- afterwards adopted, but I think it handed over to the Government, in will be expended in 1925

The Dirgetor of Public works: Tho The only money that we may ag or religious aspect, unless it is

referred to various matters, among

the the new, tabics. The tables were preparation. The plans for Las nut heen expended in useful very clear that all the represents them a grant to Hok Hol library, tainly often above it when we take is quite clear, Sir, from all that return, the Government assuming

The widen- not understand. varposra will be what is paid for tives of the Unofficial community Im glad to see this has met with a strip of somebody's premises I have heard since, that they did liability of pensions specified in expenditure is entirely for site H. E. the Governor: I am afrald drawn up by the leading actuary new Queen's College have not been Jare unanimous in favour of lt. I

the approval of the hon. mem-to widen the road.

in England and represented what completed owing to lack of staff plans which will not be lupted.

of the property, and even if it did they do not understand it now. Bon. Mr. Holyoak: And the con- know something, I admit not

Hon. Mr. Holyoak: 1 think was at that time the best available in the architect's office, and it will much as I should, of the work of her, as I should he very pleased ing of the road adde to the value

with regard to be some time before they will be anting for

this institution, and if it is the to see this Colony become as it unanimous wish of the Unofficial ought, the centre of Chinese cul-not they should be prepared to

ture, as it is of European culture, crifice something for the benefit of their complaint is that if the funds information 11. E. the inverner: Gute members of the Council that the and I am hoping in the course the community. As for getting any. remained in their own administra-mortality, and I do not think any-sufficiently advanced for a Sir Henry Pollock: I see let me in the first instance thank grant should be lucrensed, I am

leave thing out of the community for nothlon they would be receiving a body could question the accuracy tract to be fet. time.. before 1 you for this very kind way in which perfectly willing to agree to any,

800,600 la the estimated expendi- Colony.

seeing, I certainly think they should higher rate of Interest than that of his calculations as showing an may

jcredited them to-day. That would adequate pension for the contribu have received the Budget, reasonable sum upon which they

side adequately not be allowed to do so.

have made a great difference to tions received. I am unfortunate ture for 1925 In regard to the the Chinese

Will that widows and ly exempt from membership of the Quarry Bay School. which, I confess, I put forward with may decide among themselves.

The hon. member'a romark that the pensions of

I suggest whether Hongkong ayatem, but I am very complete the work at Quarry Bay? The Director of Public Works: siewe than was possibly apparent in Forestry Department, the hon.',

thing to which the time has come for a fresh glad to say I am entitled to the

It is in the hands of tution. It is not proposed to Crown Innd is a

You will the speech with which i introduced member raises the question of Chinene officer of a medicul insti- permission to erect verandabe over orphans.

of Civi same table in Coylon.

an outside architect's firm, and at the last meeting. And let me planting more shrubs and trees.

do excuse me quoting my own case, that is the amount they have put Hank you for your very kind re-suppose I raise this question about make any change. The point is every British subject has an inalion- valuation of the whole fund to be benefits of a similar system on the here

who devotes his time to the agree with. I have no objection to Servants. It is nothing to

am asking for but it is the one I know beat. I' icrondes to myself, and further for once every six months myself. I that the time of the medical officer able right, I am afraid I cannot made in the interests

over Crown with me, but I so fully erecting verandahs

Sir Henry Pollock: The next the very helpful remarks which you have always wished, not only

thirty-six, my wife being about item I should like to refer to is taken up that he has no oppor- land, but if they do so the Crown justice on the part of those in the joined the system at the age of have made to the afternoon plant certain spaces on the Peak Chinese institution is

a claim to receive Government service,

I sincerely hope that the twenty-throo. I paid a tride over that of Queen's Pier. I must con- which, I need not way, will receive with azaleas and other plants of tually for other things. What I certainly ha

attractive appearance, but also de-

Colonial Secretary was not serious 5 a month, and in return for that fess that I was simply appalled very encefal consideration.

I think most of the points which 1sired to plant fir treep on the nuth should have said in It is not neces something in return.

The Jast point in the hon. mom-when he said the completion of the my wife is entitled to a pension of

to And the backward stato in have been rained have been dealting islands so that they may be ry to make any addition to the

agica with. The position of this absolutely finished until July next her re-mariage, and in the event which the Plor was, and I am still of death or re-marriage the pen extremely astonished, notwith- I submit that the with, but there are "ne or two of have invariably found that all in that a full time surgeon or off, ber's speech I am afraid I cannot typhoon buoyage would not be 200 a year for all her life or until when I came back to the Colony

Colony and the Straits Settlements year.

alon passes to my children up to standing the explanation given in with regard to n Municipal Council should be carried out as early as the age of 21 in the case of a the paper laid on table to-day, that a few romarkin The hon. manber by the argument that it is easy to

Singapore is a possible. representing the Chamber of Complant fir trees and expect Provi- The hon. member made a remark is entirely different. morce obeerbod that. "We recomdence to induce them to grow, but in regard to economy with which portion only of the Straits Sottie My suggestion for the removal daughter, and. 18 in the case of a the estimated expenditure for 1926 inonta It appears to me quite of the G. C. H. was not only inoy. If any insurance company is is only $15,000. I should like to mand that the increase in our mili-another matter to hope that Pro- I am in entire agreement. I can tary contribution due to our cronsing revenue, instead of being population to refrain from cuting as I am concerned his warnings reasonable that municipal work of the interests of the patients them-entitled to offer ma similar torme, know if that is sufficient to com-

municipal body for that purpose, saving, because the price received which I know exists among man pak over to the War Office, should them down when they have reach- were not required, as in the course part of a Colony should be done by selves-it would be an economie hope it will communicate with me plete the work be credited horp to the reconditioned a useful size. Unless we are to of a quarter of a century in which ing of the military foroon on the increase vory largely our force of I have served His Majesty I have loro, Hongkong and Kowloor form for selling the present quarters bers of the Civil Service, is that Yes, that is to complete. H. E. forestry, inspectors and keep them been accused of a great number of the Colony, and if we had a musici will amply compensate you for they consider, because to The Governor: The explanation is, instituting the hospital further scribe, that the pension should be I understand, that stonemasons

be betternd." I am afraid that betrays rather a constantly at work, I confess I look things ranging from almost mur- pality we should either have no fur out, where conditions dan essemclent to maintain the widow, appear to have been on strike =

That is poqnibly a reasonable at long time.

The Director of Public Works: with some doubt upon the estab der to want, of sense, but I have ther use for die Füblic Works De misapprehension of the position and,ishment of any really large Arc- novor

accused, been

at any partment, in which case we are sim-1

titude if the contribution is suffi may any, the character of the War wood reserve in the New Terri- rate justly, of being a spend ply substituting a worso form af

The Colonial Bearetary admit clent to provide for the pearlon. It is due to the contractor not pay- official trouble for another, or else we should Olton The Military Contribution istories. I can only hope that in thrift with regard to Rapport d to provide for the upkeep course of time the Chinese popula- money, and I have not Infrequent retain it and duplicate the work, ted, and you, Sir admitted, that of course, what these people criti- ing bla mon. I am afraktorte ok tho Garrison The War Ofiction will abandon what appears to ly made myesile rather a trial to

way of planting. What we are to consider la that the amount is take up the work. I believe the before. The stque. great amount of overlapping, and a

asking for is that not much more the minimum the Government con Department had had similar ex- fguros to show, that it does not per use of any growing thing is certain sums should be expended great sunnunt of unhooossary ex could be done but that much more eidets it necessary a man should perlonces sover. Po.cost of the Garrison, to turn it into firewood. (Laugh- in the master suggested. "I can

peal therofors to the hon. memter). I think that that is all ro- assure the hon. member that in my en No time would be saved can be done, and we hope that provide. It does not prevent hind masons are very difficult to handle

(Contnued on Page 11.) - hay that if we nak the War Office to garding the speech of the hon, opinion I do not think, there is and a gront deal of money would will be the case. The planting of insuring himself elsewhere for a and we are afraid of bringing the

flowering plants and shrubs will reasonable aum. The whole obicot work to an absolute; aintdet:11. dorote to the reprovisioning on the member representing the Chamber money there that can be cut out to wasted.

it hore in-day. It will be referred

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put to some useful purpose.

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to

which I find it necessary to make such propositions are at once met

Kowloon side."

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stuff of the Medical Department,

cer may be available.

Not a Spendthrift.

in-vidence will induce the Chinese assure the ben, member that so far

* Tree Planting.

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work

without further delay. The view,

down.

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that

The Director of Public Works:

rapfend and when pressed produos be an ancestral iden that the pro- departmenté Il enquiring whathas and inevitably there would be auch more could be done in the cise, and do not take the troubin very difficult to get 'contractors.te

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