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HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL.
$250,000 FOR RELIEF OF DISTRESS IN JAPAN.otion, and I think he will say that then
HOTEL CHITS.
MOTION TO REPEAL THE LAW DEFEATED BY ONE VOTE.
One has heard, Sir, a suggestion, made reason for repealing it at the prosTES that juniors in firms' are allowed largs moment, because the justification for ity creditor too large credit, in the hotels. if there was any, no longer oftains. It That point will be dealt with by my hon.
was distinctly unfitiv, in its rosat, be friend Mr. Holyoak, who will second this cause it discriminated between the mar in the street and the man in the Club, The very people against whom, 1 under stand, the Ordinance was mainly levelled. were able immediately to transfer their
apport, if they needs to Aished to do so, to any one of the many
is a considerable restriction placed upon clerks in firms not only for drinks but in respect to expenditure generally in the hotel. As I suggested at the time this Ordinances was introduced. Sir, it seeds; to me, that this legislation is practically useless. I do not honestly see that it
A meeting of the Hongkong Legislative; THE LIQUORS ORDINANCE AND me an attempt, and a somewhat petty
Council was held in the Council Chamber yesterday. There were present:-.
HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (Sir
1. E. Straps, K.C M.C.)
CHITS.
INTERESTING DISCUSSION.
The Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLUAR, K.C.: Sir, I beg to move the following serulu His ESCELLESEY The Orvice in CoMMAST | tion which stands in-my name:~
or us Troops (Major-General Sir Joux BOWLE, K.T.M.G. C.B.. D.8.0.1
Hon. Mr. A. G. M. FLETCHED. C.M.G..
C.H. E. (Colonial Secretary): Hon. Mr. JH. KEMP, K.C. C.RE.
(Attorney-General),
Hou, Me. fel. Massen, O.B.E." (Colonial
Treasurer).
דייך
Hon. Mr. E. R. HaLIEAN, C.B.E. (Seer
rary for Chinese Affairs).
Hou, Me. E A. Taving (Director 31
Education),
Hon. Mr. H. T. Cuaisy (rector of
Public Works).
Hon. Mr. H. E. Poitees, K.C Hon. Mr. 2. I. Holyoak. Hon. Mr. R. H. Kornwat.
Hon. Mr. CHAT SICKL
Hon. Mr. A. O. Lașe. Hon. Mr. A. R. Lowe. Mr. S. R. McELDERRY (Clerk of
Council)
could have any real effect. It seems to
attempt, to interfere with the internal management of the hotels in this Colony. 1'said just now is is absolutely ludicrous to suppose that, if a young man unforta. nately takes to drink, this clause in the Ordinance will save him, for, apart from the hotel, you have places like clubs, and other places to which I need not more particularly refer, where den gadget drinks by means of chits or without chits, It would be absurd to suggest that this clause the Ordinance has had any apreciable effect on obtaining drink.
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do's and
labs, and obtain whatever ereilt they wished. Therefore, I submit that to the une in the street it was grossly unfair and I submit further that it was imprac and a piece of discriminatory legislation,
tieable in its operation and is to-day, It is an absurdity that in a Colony, like this to-day you shond be able to dine in comfort in one room and that, either particularly like the man sitting aest because the room is hot or that you do.
to you, you desire to have a cup of coffee in the lounge in the immediate precincts you Fuss from the possibility of being an honest law-abiding citizen, to that of a... law breaking citizen, with criminal rẹ- sponsibilities both to the Hotel and your- self. I sulmit that that ought not to be. The charge has more than ice been levelled at the Hotel-I am speaking as
That in the opinion of the members nt, this Council, it desirable that sretion of the Liquors Ordinance, 1917, should be repealed.” This section, Sir, as I think is well known to hon, members, provides that, except in the case of persons who are residing in an hotel. it is necessary that cash shall be paid down in respect of any
Now, to look at the matter from an liquor which is not served in conjunction with a bodde gel for which a charge other angle, I do submit. Sir, having
Director and an answering the charge-- of not less than 30 cents can be reason regard to what I have saul, that it is atly made. When this measure was absurdity bring in this measure to
that the Hotel systems, has unwisely en- Passed in this Council in the year 1917 it prevent hotels from suing to drinks. Fournied expenditure on the part of the was apposed by some of the Unofficial segred arenay by the junior. Now, Sir, I wish to categorically known under to state that not only has The Hotel nor Act George T. Members, including myself. The first Pluphäedus, name UI thepplers" suffered as a matter of actual revernic speaker in opposition was Mr. Stanley Act." Tut here Sir, we have legis from the enactment of this Ordinance. Dodge, she pointed out very elencly ation passed to make this failing to and therefore from that point of view it that there was no necessity for such a
ensure cash down for drinks served to is noncecasary to repeal, but, further thus mensive that, as a matter of fact. for non-residents in the hotel a criminal that, it positively and absolutely refuses some years past the sobriety of the men offence punishable with a fine of $250 to give credit of more than 823 to any this Colony had been atyadily increas a criminal offence both, for the hotel-ior of any accredited firm in this place. ing, and I may add that a similar remark keeper and the person who signs the chit. Therefore, I do not think it can be justly may be applied to the interval which Surely, our Pelice in this Colony have accused in these circumstances of encour has elapsed between the passing of the plenty to do going about the Colony pre-aging undae credit and therefore encour Ordinance in 1947 and the present day. venting or detecting serious crime in aging undue expediture of money: I sub- When this measure, Sir, was brought stend of having to spend their time prit that the law as it at present stands forward I had a difficulty-and the same lounging about hotels trying to and it is possible to carry out the law with- difficulty experience to-day-in seeing gentlemen who sign chits for drinks ont placing the guest of any hotel in this what possible good and useful object such though they are not resident in the Colony in jeopartly of unconsciously break a measures could he expected to serve hotel, with a view to instituting prosecuing this Orduance, and the Hotel alad At that meeting the Attorney-General did tious. There is a wave of serious crime for accepting a chit. It is a reasonable not bring forward any reasons for the in the Colony, and it is clear, also, that?
that any hotel in the place should. passing of this particular clause of the
our Police, with the various duties they be authorise to accept a chit which is to give notice. The motions relate to the quors Ordinaner, but left it to the hon. have to aftend to, have quite enough to really carry over from a dinner, chit. terribly disaster which has surred in Colonial Secretar, Sir Claud Severn, to do. It is also clear, I submit. Sir, that met there should be no breaking of the Japan. The first metion runs as follows: expound the reasons. On that occasion o sufficient rungon has been given for law in consequence of that. For this rea
"That this Council desires to express,
that hon. member produced a bag interfering in this way with the internal san setiond the motion of my honour- in the name of the people of Hong chits for a sum of about three thousand management of the hotels as to whether ble friend, the Senior Unofficial Mem- kong, its heartfelt sympathy with the dollars for drinks which had been served the shall or shall not, accept chits from her, and feel that your Excellency in regard to this legislation will not go so Japanese nation in the terrible disaster at a wayside hotel-the North Point
some man whom the manager may con- which he lefallen the country."
|Hotel," which has since been re-christened sider a perfectly solvent and reliable faz as to use the Official, majority. I sig
the Ming Yuan Gardens. I think on such nu cension the fewer Secretary, as part of his argument, sug- I have said quite enough to show that accept the whole of this resolution, you will, at ny rate, consider the possibility gested that, in view of this huge bag of this section should he repealed, and my of amending the Ordinance so that it ghits, it would be an excellent thing thon. friend the member for the Chamber covers the points I have raised and refers have this measure, which would bring of Commeren will be able, no doubt, to
MINUTES.
The ignites of the last meeting were approved and signed.
"
SYMPATHY WITH JAPAN, On the Council assembling, H.E. THE GOVERNOR said: "I would ask leave of the Council to bring forward two motions of which it has not been possible
Sir, on behalf of the Unofficial members comfort and happiness to every manager bring forward further reasons which I only to the public bars of hotels, which
words the bettinl
The Hon. Mr. H. E. Potock. K.C.:
of this Council I desire to associate our: selves, entirely with whit has fallen from your 'Excellency
and hotel proprietor. It was, however, have not given. I beg to move the re-
Hotel and the King Edward Hotel, show- ing that they did not take the same view
opposed at that time by the Hongkong solution standing in my name. : mit, the sincere desire of the hotel I
chit systems and perhaps I am in a posi
will make the practice more workable: It is, as I think your Excellency will ad- Hon. Mr. P.-H. HOLYGAR: Your Excel- happen to he a Director of, to fulfil the Hon. Mr. P. H. HOLYDAR: Sir. On of the matter as was taken by the Colonial levey,It is fitting that I should first law and I think they have proved it. behalf of the Chamber of Commerce 1 Seretary. Another point which, I think, declare, in discussing the repeal of this but I know that, under the present law, The COLONIAL SECRETARY: Ariate as desire to entirely associate the whole was made was that some young man had section of the Ordinance, that I am in. it is almost impossible to do so.
an hour ago, Sir, I had not the intcation conimercial community with the words C into difficulties in paying bis drink terested to the extent that I am at pre. chits and had to have his passage paid sent a Director of the Hongkong Hotel: which have fallen from your Excelleney's home. Well, Sir, with regard to that but I trust that my reputation upon this of speaking on this motion. I do so with some difideree and with no overwhelm.. lips.
point, it seems to me almost ludicrous honourable Council and in the public ser
ing conviction. Bat I have had consider- Hon. Mr. R. H. KOTEWALL: Sir, my that, because one or two young men have vice in this Colony will acquit me of any
alle experience of the working of the Chinese colleagues and I respectfully begiven way to drink and got into difficul- desire to influence the Council in any
tion to sound a word of warning as to to associate ourselves in the name of the ties, a considerable inconvenience should arguments in favour of the Hotel. And, Chinese community with the motion which he inflicted upon all persons frequenting indeed, I have a furticularly clear con- the possible results. I have been looking large establishment: like the two hotels seience in connection with this matter,
up the report of the Council, at which hus just been proposed by you,
I have mentioned. It is like using a because I have, from the very first, heen The motion was carried,
consistently opposed to this Ordinance. "Ieannot compare myself with the Hon. I was present, when Mr. Shewan said: rledge-happner.to break a walnut. In fact, DONATION OF $230,000 VOTED. Sir, His Excellency the late Governor In the year, 1917 the late Governor, His
ij most things, but of one thing I know expressly disclaimed that there was any Excellency Sir Henry May, approached Mr. Dodwell and the Hon. Mr. Pollock His EXCELLENCri The second motion idea of passing such a section to stop nu, na the then Chairman of the Hong.
as much as they do, and that is the ques- I wish to propose naturelly follows from drinking. I will quote his words: The kong Club, to support not only the pass tion of drinking in bars. I do not clain the previous one The expression of object of the Bill is not to stop drinking of such an Ordinance as was then that advantage over the honourable men sympathy is something, but more than ing. The Colonia! Sceretary never said proposed, but also an enactment that her who has moved this motion, but I sympathy is needed in ensòs of this kind. a word about that." Now, Sir, if the would close the Club bar during vertain do claim to have had a wide experience The Japanese people need all the hep object of this section was in no shape deference. at that time, I submitted that tion to it was in my undergraduate days hours of the day. Well, Sir, with due with this chit system: My first introdur- their neighbours and friends can give form to step drinking, one really fails there was no necessity for it; that there in Oxford when I proferred 2 ad. for them and the Council will agree with me to see what object it had. It certainly was no case made out whatever. Indeed, a tin of Craven tobacco and was met that this is an occasion on which this has not succeeded in pleasing the hotels as Chairman of the Club at that time with the request that I should put my Colony should not be backward in show certainly not the Hongkong Hotel. On knew that the money which was being money back in my pocket, and have it ing its sympathy in a practical form." the contrary, Sir, they consider it is a spent at the bar was an extremely small in down in the book. That was when The help which we give should be given grave inconvenience to their business.
sum, and there was no justification for 1 was eighteen years old. I thought it as quickly, as possible and that is why I fe is very difficult to see exactly how the arguments then presented. However, was host generous of him to let me put have not given any notice of this motion closely we are to interpret the phrase in deference to His Excellency's wishes, it down. I let him put down more itenie. which I ask the Council to treat as a used in sub-section 25 section 3. of the the matter was put before the Hongkong with the result that, later on. I found 1 matter of argency. I move
1917 Ordinance that liquor is to be con Club Committee and unanimously turned had very heavy billa, which I could not sumed in conjunction with a bona-fide down at that time. Later this proposed possibly have met if I had tried to pay meal. Literally, it might mean that 3 Ordinance was laid before the Council cach as I went along. Later when I came man would have to swallow his drink with I regret that at that time I happened to to this Colony, I had further experience. his mouth full. One does not know to be absent through ill-health in Japan, and We were all very impecunious in those what extent such phrase may be ear ried. At all events, supposing a man who I would have done bad I been present, had not any cash at all. We then pro was unable to oppose it as vigorously as days and by the 15th of the month we is a non-resitlent in the hotel is taking mainly and principally upon the grounds eceded to look round for some favoured bis friends the theatre and giving that it was an unnecessary interference friend who bad $10 to lend and some of dinner in the hotel before the theatreat that time unjustifiable and un-us, I am afraid, got to know the firms.
that he wants to give them a cock necessary with the liberty of the compradores, with the result that one or tail before dinner. The dinner is, of subject in this Colony, but I was
That the Council approves the grant of the sum of & quarter of a million dollars for the relief of distress in Japan."
"I would propose that the money be placed at the disposal of the Relief Committee of the Chamber of Commerce, which is in close touch with the Japanese Consul "General and embers of the Japanese Community here, and will be able to make arrangements for its being spent to the best advantage. I understand that the Opinion of the Japanese Consul is that supplies rather than money, should he sent from the Colony.
The Hon Mr. H. E. POLLOCK, K.f. Sir, on behalf of the Unoficial Members of this Council, whom I have bad дл opportunity of consulting
on
two men went out. They were unable to
The
rse, to follow the cocktail, but apparably represented by the honourable meet their debts and had to leave the tly to take a strict interpretation of member who was then acting for me, Colony This was undoubtedly due to the this particular sub-section, the host, would the Hon. Mr. Stanley Dodwell, who chit system gederally, the signing of have to produce cash to pay for these made a strong speech against the pro- credit for anything and everything,, and drinks. I believe that is what is done posed enactment. We were distinctly it seems to me that unless some good as far as possible, but, I believe it is not told by His Excellency the Governor at ground can be put forward ha to why this possible to fully carry it out in the hotel. that time that the object of the Bill was. Ordinance is bad, there is not sufficient Take another instance. The meal being not to stop drinking, and, failing that, reason for interfering with it. finished the parties perhaps get there was no justification whatever for Hotela apparently are the protagonista in this matter. I desire to say that we little tired of the dining-room and passing the law. It was essentit lly, if asking for its repeal Why Why should heartily support the vote which has been decide to go into the lounge and have there was any justification for it, war they object to receiving cash? If you go: proposed by Your Excellency and that we their coffee, and if brandy is ordered to measure. It was part of the DORA to the Trocadero or the Ritz in London consider this is only due as a mark of go with the coffee then, again, this ques Act at Home. It was born of u desire, do they ask you to sign chits for your the sympathy and goodwill of this Colony tion of cash payment comes in. Or, perhaps a sentimental desire, to share in drinks, or do they here, when you go to.. towards the Japanese nation."
shifting the scene to the Repulse Bay the sacrifices we all shared in at Home, pay your bill, say Please pay the cheque Hotel, what is to happen there? People and, through the sacrifices, perhaps context uarter Why should they object go out there to dance. Very often they tribute more largely to war charities in this case! "One argument put forward dine there, before they dance, or as I which existed in this Colony, and to was the difficulty in connection with the have done myself you dance with your national beeds. But honourable membera
"boys." That is got over in other parts dinner, or, in the words of the Ordinance. of the Council and Your Excellency of the world and what can be done in in conjunction with "your dinner. If through having perised the récords of other hotels can be done in Hongkong. you want to give your questa a drink you this Colony sinep you arrived, will agree. The mere fact that it is urged that this have to start again with this cash bus- I think, that into part of the Empire cash payment should not be compulsory ness. This cinase is particularly incor- were war charities more substantially and points to the conclusion that the sale of venient when hotel proprietors have to fully supported than in this Culoby, and drink must be larget under the credit deal with a native staff, and is perhaps that is no part of the world so far as than under the cask system and so. Sir, also inconvenient when they have to deal the British Empire goes, and certainly an I understand, you are giving members with rather peppery customers who do not here, could an decusation of excessive of the Council feinion to vote as they not see why they should be compelled to drinking he made. There was no justi- wish on this question. I, ne fatter of
reduce coin as a certificate of goodfication at all for pissile the Ordinance.npersonal opinion propose laith.
The vote was unanimously approved.
FINANCE
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of HLE The Governor, laid upon the Lable financial Minutes Nos. 71 to 73 and moved that they be referred to the Finance Committee.
The COLONIAL TREAST ER seconded, and the motion was agreed to.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of HE The Governor, also laid on the table the report of the Finance Committee (No. 7) and moveil that it be adopted.
The motion having been seconded by the Colonial Treasurer, was agreed to
If it was a war measure there in the more it.
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