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Q-How many strokes did he have?
A-Six in both cases; there were two men flogged.
Q-Are you in a position to compare the effect of the rattan and the
Europeans?
cat upon
A-I should think personally, in my own opinion, that the rattan was more severe than the "cat."
Q-Can you give me your reasons for saying that?
A-In a home prison I have not seen a bad result of the “cat."
Q-I am at present speaking of the Europeans.
A-I cannot speak of the two Europeans because they went out within a few days of receiving the whipping.
Q-Could you judge of the appearance then?
A-No.
Q-You cannot compare the effect of the rattan with the cat-o'-nine-tails upon a European?
A-No, I cannot do that.
Q-Now come to the Chinamen. You have never seen a Chinaman punished with the "cat"?
A-No.
Q-You say that, looking at the effects, you think the effects of the "cat," even if used upon a Chinaman, would not be so severe as the effects of the rattan ?
A-The flogging of a Chinaman is never administered with a "cat," and taking the Chinaman and the European I should say the rattan is more severe.
Q-You think the rattan is more severe upon a Chinaman then ?
A-Yes.
Q-Were you present at the floggings in England ?
A-Not at all of them; some.
Q-How
many-a hundred do you think?
A-I cannot say; I cannot give any number.
Q-Have you any idea of the proportion of prisoners who are flogged in England?
A-Very few. Perhaps when the visiting director came round there would be two or three cases for corporal punishment, and perhaps there would be none when he
came.
Q-You think the behaviour of the prisoners in an English gaol in better than the behaviour of the Chinese ?
A—Oh, much.
Q-A great deal better?
A-Oh, much better.
Q-Therefore there is not so much need of inflicting corporal punishment in Eng- land as there is in this Colony?
A-There is not.