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(b) the voting behaviour and participation of the people
(c) the political leadership and effectiveness of the Legislature
(d) the proportion of population having received proper 'civic education'
(e) the state of the economy
(f) another public assessment exercise, including the consultation of the extant political set-up
There are two criteria which I hope Government will NOT rely on solely and these are, economic performance and consultation of existing political system. It is problematic to rely on economic performance as the sole criterion as the exercise will tend to be tautological, i.e. if the economy is good, one argues that it is dangerous and foolish to rock the boat, if the economy takes a down-turn, one defends the system by saying that further evolvement will ruin the economy altogether. Consultation of existing political system and segments which are the prime beneficiaries of existing arrangements will most probably result in further self-aggrandizement.
Turning to the objectives of the future review, I hope one more will be added to those already listed in the White paper, and that is, to re-arrange the system of government to make it tight in terms of organization, cost-effective in terms of resources, and logical in terms of political and representational hierarchy.
With these words, Mr. Chairman, I support the motion before Council.
The question was put.
The motion was carried with 17 votes for and one abstention.
Adjournment 4.30 p.m.
CHAIRMAN (in English): That concludes the business of today's meeting, but before adjourning the meeting, may I take this opportunity and I am sure all members will join me in wishing the community our best felicitations for the Christmas season and equally may I wish all members of the Council and their families and the USD staff our best greetings for the Christmas season as well. The Council stands adjourned until 15 January 1985 at 2.30 p.m.
PRESENT
THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, C.B.E., J.P.
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE, O.B.E., J.P.
MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, O.B.E., Q.C., J.P.
MRS. E. ELLIOTT, C.B.E.
MR. KENNETH T. C. LO, O.B.E., J.P.
DR. DENNY M. H. HUANG, J.P.
MR. CHAN CHI-KWAN, PETER
MISS CECILIA L. Y. YEUNG
MR. EDMUND W. H. CHOW
MR. SHUM CHOI-SANG, M.B.E., J.P.
DR. THE HONOURABLE KIM Y. S. CHAM,
MR. HOWARD H. W. YOUNG
J.P.
THE HONOURABLE MARIA W. C. TAM, O.B.E., J.P.
DR. PHILIP C. K. KWOK, J.P.
MR. WALTER M. SULKE, O.B.E., J.P.
MR. L. H. KWAN
MR. JOSEPH Y. S. CHAN
MR. PAO PING-WING
MR. FREDERICK K. K. FUNG
MR. LEE CHIK-YUET
MR. TONG KAM-BIU
MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG
DR. RONALD D. B. LEUNG
MRS. MARGARET LI
MR. LO KING-MAN, J.P.
THE SECRETARY, URBAN COUNCIL, MR. R. SPENCER, J.P.
ABSENT
MR. LAWRENCE H. L. FUNG, J.P.
MR. STEPHEN M. L. LAU, J.P.
MR. AUGUSTINE S. K. CHUNG
MR. LAM CHAK-PIU
MRS. NELLIE FONG
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OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
Meeting of 15 January 1985–2.30 p.m.
(b) the voting behaviour and participation of the people
(c) the political leadership and effectiveness of the Legislature
(d) the proportion of population having received proper 'civic education' (e) the state of the economy
(ƒ) another public assessment exercise, including the consultation of the
extant political set-up
There are two criteria which I hope Government will NOT rely on solely and these are, economic performance and consultation of existing political system. It is problematic to rely on economic performance as the sole criterion as the exercise will tend to be tautological, i.e. if the economy is good, one argues that it is dangerous and foolish to rock the boat, if the economy takes a down-turn. one defends the system by saying that further evolvement will ruin the economy altogether. Consultation of existing political system and segments which are the prime beneficiaries of existing arrangements will most probably result in further self-aggrandizement.
Turning to the objectives of the future review, I hope one more will be added to those already listed in the White paper, and that is,
to re-arrange the system of government to make it tight in terms of organization, cost-effective in terms of resources, and logical in terms of political and representational hierarchy.
With these words, Mr. Chairman, I support the motion before Council.
The question was put.
The motion was carried with 17 votes for and one abstention.
Adjournment 4.30 p.m.
CHAIRMAN (in English):-That concludes the business of today's meeting, but before adjourning the meeting, may I take this opportunity and I am sure all members will join me in wishing the community our best felicitations for the Christmas season and equally may I wish all members of the Council and their families and the USD staff our best greetings for the Christmas season as well. The Council stands adjourned until 15 January 1985 at 2.30 p.m.
PRESENT
THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, C.B.E., J.P. THE VICE-CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE, O.B.E., J.P. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, O.B.E., Q.C., J.P. MRS. E. ELLIOTT, C.B.E.
MR. KENNETH T. C. LO, O.B.E., J.P. DR. DENNY M. H. HUANG, J.P. MR. CHAN CHI-KWAN, PETER MISS CECILIA L. Y. YEUNG MR. EDMUND W. H. CHOW
MR. SHUM CHOI-SANG, M.B.E., J.P.
DR. THE HONOURABLE KIM Y. S. CHAM,
MR. HOWARD H. W. YOUNG
J.P.
THE HONOURABLE MARIA W. C. TAM, O.B.E., J.P.
DR. PHILIP C. K. KWOK, J.P.
MR. WALTER M. SULKE, O.B.E., J.P.
MR. L. H. KWAN
MR. JOSEPH Y. S. CHAN
MR. PAO PING-WING
MR. FREDERICK K. K. FUNG
MR. LEE CHIK-YUET
MR. TONG KAM-BIU
MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG
DR. RONALD D. B. LEUNG
MRS. MARGARET LI
MR. LO KING-MAN, J.P.
ABSENT
MR. LAWRENCE H. L. FUNG, J.P. MR. STEPHEN M. L. LAU, J.P. MR. AUGUSTINE S. K. CHUNG
MR. LAM CHAK-PIU
MRS. NELLIE FONG
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