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who have any interest in it, and who did not discover it on the table, could not have obtained and digested a copy with perfect simplicity. As far as the cost is concerned this is the decision of the Council. This is the second hard-back cover that we have produced. I think this is a very presentable document. I think the Urban Council, as a major public institution, should present its report in this form. It has been gone through due process of tender and I do not consider the cost to be in any way expensive. As far as distribution is concerned, I think Mrs. ELLIOTT's figures may not be quite accurate as I recollect we had about 300 or less than 300 copies of the last year's annual report in stock a month ago. These were the remaining numbers that have now been distributed. This book has been very widely distributed throughout Hong Kong to the Government, to kaifongs, local institutions, senior officers, abroad to overseas councils we have visited, those who have shown interest in our work, to many international sports organizations, members of Parliament, the Anglo-Hong Kong Parliamentary Association. I think it is presentably done, an excellent publication and doing very good work for the Council.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Does any other Member wish to speak before exercise my right of reply?

MISS MARIA W. C. TAM (in English):-Mr. Chairman, I recall having made comments on the Council's report at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council as to the cost of the hard cover. I am obliged to Mr. MACKENZIE for having told us what was the previous decision but is it not worth our while listening to the cost that is involved in printing a hard cover annual report? If so, I would like to know about the cost.

MR. MACKENZIE (in English):-I am not quite sure what are the figures at the moment. The decision of the Council two years ago was that we would produce a publication in a hard cover to recognize the fifth year of the Council's activities and it was intended initially as a rather special publication. However, good reaction within the community to this and favourable comments received led to the decision to have a second hard cover. In fact, the cost is reasonable when we consider that we are now combining two books in one, i.e. the Annual Report plus the Handbook. These were formerly two separate publications. These have now been combined in a single volume. The relative cost of this in relation to the two previous publications is not greatly significant, but certainly we should be delighted to provide you with full information and the Council can decide if we should continue with a hard cover next year.

MR. BERNACCHI (in English):-A point of clarification. If indeed it was put before the Council at the last Standing Committee meeting, which I was unable to attend, I withdraw my remarks.

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MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, a point of clarification. I was there and I swear there was no book on my desk.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Well, if there was no book on your desk would it not have been a simple matter for you to ask the Secretary for one?

MRS. GRACE HO (in English):—Actually, before the meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council I did draw the attention of the Secretary to a minor error in my biography, but I am not going to vote against the report because of a minor error like that. I support this issue. This is a good publication and it does set out the work of the Council which is not just all recreation. We have other factors of the Council's work in this.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Thank you. Any other Member? If not, I will exercise my right of reply under Standing Order 21(17). Even on such a simple matter as the Council's annual report, one or two Members' attitude to the Council's work is curious. First and foremost, in fairness to the Secretary, I ought to say right away that Mr. Howard YOUNG, Mr. MACKENZIE and other Members have rightly brought out the fact that this report had been issued in advance and was indeed laid on the table at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council. At that time, I remember distinctly that I asked Members to read it. I commented then on the fact that the chapters had been sent separately in draft form to Chairmen of Select Committees for them to approve or otherwise amend their respective contributions. So this report is actually the combined effort of the Council following the initial work by the department with the editor going through the whole book subsequently. Thus, no Member can claim now that he or she did not get an advance copy of this report. It is a fact then that Chairmen of all Select Committees saw their respective parts in preparation.

Secondly, on the question of its presentation, Mr. MACKENZIE has amply clarified the points made just now, which had been discussed anyway in the Administration Select Committee. This report is sent around the world. It is widely distributed to libraries, museums and other relevant institutions. It is given very wide local distribution too, as was pointed out by Mr. MACKENZIE: to schools, government departments, community associations and many public bodies in Hong Kong. It is also on sale. It is a report which does the Council proud. The better the presentation, surely the more congratulations are due to the Administration Select Committee, the department, the Secretary and the editor for a job well done. Now, having clarified all these points, I hope that Members will see the position in its true and proper perspective. I will now put the motion as proposed by me and seconded by the Vice-Chairman, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN to you for the vote. Are you ready for the question?

The question was put.

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Page 57 of 136 80 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL who have any interest in it, and who did not discover it on the table, could not have obtained and digested a copy with perfect simplicity. As far as the cost is concerned this is the decision of the Council. This is the second hard-back cover that we have produced. I think this is a very presentable document. I think the Urban Council, as a major public institution, should present its report in this form. It has been gone through due process of tender and I do not consider the cost to be in any way expensive. As far as distribution is concerned, I think Mrs. ELLIOTT's figures may not be quite accurate as I recollect we had about 300 or less than 300 copies of the last year's annual report in stock a month ago. These were the remaining numbers that have now been distributed. This book has been very widely distributed throughout Hong Kong to the Government, to kaifongs, local institutions, senior officers, abroad to overseas councils we have visited, those who have shown interest in our work, to many international sports organizations, members of Parliament, the Anglo-Hong Kong Parliamentary Association. I think it is presentably done, an excellent publication and doing very good work for the Council. CHAIRMAN (in English):-Does any other Member wish to speak before exercise my right of reply? MISS MARIA W. C. TAM (in English):-Mr. Chairman, I recall having made comments on the Council's report at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council as to the cost of the hard cover. I am obliged to Mr. MACKENZIE for having told us what was the previous decision but is it not worth our while listening to the cost that is involved in printing a hard cover annual report? If so, I would like to know about the cost. MR. MACKENZIE (in English):-I am not quite sure what are the figures at the moment. The decision of the Council two years ago was that we would produce a publication in a hard cover to recognize the fifth year of the Council's activities and it was intended initially as a rather special publication. However, good reaction within the community to this and favourable comments received led to the decision to have a second hard cover. In fact, the cost is reasonable when we consider that we are now combining two books in one, i.e. the Annual Report plus the Handbook. These were formerly two separate publications. These have now been combined in a single volume. The relative cost of this in relation to the two previous publications is not greatly significant, but certainly we should be delighted to provide you with full information and the Council can decide if we should continue with a hard cover next year. MR. BERNACCHI (in English):-A point of clarification. If indeed it was put before the Council at the last Standing Committee meeting, which I was unable to attend, I withdraw my remarks. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 57 of 136 81 MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, a point of clarification. I was there and I swear there was no book on my desk. CHAIRMAN (in English):-Well, if there was no book on your desk would it not have been a simple matter for you to ask the Secretary for one? MRS. GRACE HO (in English):—Actually, before the meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council I did draw the attention of the Secretary to a minor error in my biography, but I am not going to vote against the report because of a minor error like that. I support this issue. This is a good publication and it does set out the work of the Council which is not just all recreation. We have other factors of the Council's work in this. CHAIRMAN (in English):-Thank you. Any other Member? If not, I will exercise my right of reply under Standing Order 21(17). Even on such a simple matter as the Council's annual report, one or two Members' attitude to the Council's work is curious. First and foremost, in fairness to the Secretary, I ought to say right away that Mr. Howard YOUNG, Mr. MACKENZIE and other Members have rightly brought out the fact that this report had been issued in advance and was indeed laid on the table at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council. At that time, I remember distinctly that I asked Members to read it. I commented then on the fact that the chapters had been sent separately in draft form to Chairmen of Select Committees for them to approve or otherwise amend their respective contributions. So this report is actually the combined effort of the Council following the initial work by the department with the editor going through the whole book subsequently. Thus, no Member can claim now that he or she did not get an advance copy of this report. It is a fact then that Chairmen of all Select Committees saw their respective parts in preparation. Secondly, on the question of its presentation, Mr. MACKENZIE has amply clarified the points made just now, which had been discussed anyway in the Administration Select Committee. This report is sent around the world. It is widely distributed to libraries, museums and other relevant institutions. It is given very wide local distribution too, as was pointed out by Mr. MACKENZIE: to schools, government departments, community associations and many public bodies in Hong Kong. It is also on sale. It is a report which does the Council proud. The better the presentation, surely the more congratulations are due to the Administration Select Committee, the department, the Secretary and the editor for a job well done. Now, having clarified all these points, I hope that Members will see the position in its true and proper perspective. I will now put the motion as proposed by me and seconded by the Vice-Chairman, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN to you for the vote. Are you ready for the question? The question was put. Page 57 of 136

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Page 57 of 136 80 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL who have any interest in it, and who did not discover it on the table, could not have obtained and digested a copy with perfect simplicity. As far as the cost is concerned this is the decision of the Council. This is the second hard-back cover that we have produced. I think this is a very presentable document. I think the Urban Council, as a major public institution, should present its report in this form. It has been gone through due process of tender and I do not consider the cost to be in any way expensive. As far as distribution is concerned, I think Mrs. ELLIOTT's figures may not be quite accurate as I recollect we had about 300 or less than 300 copies of the last year's annual report in stock a month ago. These were the remaining numbers that have now been distributed. This book has been very widely distributed throughout Hong Kong to the Government, to kaifongs, local institutions, senior officers, abroad to overseas councils we have visited, those who have shown interest in our work, to many international sports organizations, t members of Parliament, the Anglo-Hong Kong Parliamentary Association. I think it is presentably done, an excellent publication and doing very good work for the Council. CHAIRMAN (in English):-Does any other Member wish to speak before exercise my right of reply? MISS MARIA W. C. TAM (in English):-Mr. Chairman, I recall having made comments on the Council's report at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council as to the cost of the hard cover. I am obliged to Mr. MACKENZIE for having told us what was the previous decision but is it not worth our while listening to the cost that is involved in printing a hard cover annual report? If so, I would like to know about the cost. MR. MACKENZIE (in English):-I am not quite sure what are the figures at the moment. The decision of the Council two years ago was that we would produce a publication in a hard cover to recognize the fifth year of the Council's activities and it was intended initially as a rather special publication. However, good reaction within the community to this and favourable com ments received led to the decision to have a second hard cover. In fact, the cost is reasonable when we consider that we are now combining two books in one, i.e. the Annual Report plus the Handbook. These were formerly two separate publications. These have now been combined in a single volume. The relative cost of this in relation to the two previous publications is not greatly significant, but certainly we should be delighted to provide you with full information and the Council can decide if we should continue with a hard cover next year. MR. BERNACCHI (in English):-A point of clarification. If indeed it was put before the Council at the last Standing Committee meeting, which I was unable to attend, I withdraw my remarks. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 57 of 136 81 MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, a point of clarification. I was there and I swear there was no book on my desk. CHAIRMAN (in English):-Well, if there was no book on your desk would it not have been a simple matter for you to ask the Secretary for one? MRS. GRACE HO (in English):—Actually, before the meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council I did draw the attention of the Secretary a minor error in my biography, but I am not going to vote against the report because of a minor error like that. I support this issue. This is a good publication and it does set out the work of the Council which is not just all recreation. We have other factors of the Council's work in this. CHAIRMAN (in English):-Thank you. Any other Member? If not, I will exercise my right of reply under Standing Order 21(17). Even on such a simple matter as the Council's annual report, one or two Members' attitude to the Council's work is curious. First and foremost, in fairness to the Secretary, I ought to say rightaway that Mr. Howard YOUNG, Mr. MACKENZIE and other Members have rightly brought out the fact that this report had been issued in advance and was indeed laid on the table at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council. At that time, I remember distinctly that I asked Members to read it. I commented then on the fact that the chapters had been sent separately in draft form to Chairmen of Select Committees for them to approve or otherwise amend their respective contributions. So this report is actually the combined effort of the Council following the initial work by the department with the editor going through the whole book subsequently. Thus, no Member can claim now that he or she did not get an advance copy of this report. It is a fact then that Chairmen of all Select Committees saw their respective parts in preparation. Secondly, on the question of its presentation, Mr. MACKENZIE has amply clarified the points made just now, which had been discussed anyway in the Administration Select Committee. This report is sent around the world. It is widely distributed to libraries, museums and other relevant institutions. It is given very wide local distribution too, as was pointed out by Mr. MACKENZIE: to schools, government departments, community associations and many public bodies in Hong Kong. It is also on sale. It is a report which does the Council proud. The better the presentation, surely the more con- gratulations are due to the Administration Select Committee, the department, the Secretary and the editor for a job well done. Now, having clarified all these points, I hope that Members will see the position in its true and proper perspective. I will now put the motion as proposed by me and seconded by the Vice-Chairman, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN to you for the vote. Are you ready for the question? The question was put.

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who have any interest in it, and who did not discover it on the table, could not have obtained and digested a copy with perfect simplicity. As far as the cost is concerned this is the decision of the Council. This is the second hard-back cover that we have produced. I think this is a very presentable document. I think the Urban Council, as a major public institution, should present its report in this form. It has been gone through due process of tender and I do not consider the cost to be in any way expensive. As far as distribution is concerned, I think Mrs. ELLIOTT's figures may not be quite accurate as I recollect we had about 300 or less than 300 copies of the last year's annual report in stock a month ago. These were the remaining numbers that have now been distributed. This book has been very widely distributed throughout Hong Kong to the Government, to kaifongs, local institutions, senior officers, abroad to overseas councils we have visited, those who have shown interest in our work, to many international sports organizations, t members of Parliament, the Anglo-Hong Kong Parliamentary Association. I think it is presentably done, an excellent publication and doing very good

work for the Council.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Does any other Member wish to speak before exercise my right of reply?

MR. MACKENZIE (in English):-I am not quite sure what are the figures at the moment. The decision of the Council two years ago was that we would produce a publication in a hard cover to recognize the fifth year of the Council's activities and it was intended initially as a rather special publication. However, good reaction within the community to this and favourable com ments received led to the decision to have a second hard cover. In fact, the cost is reasonable when we consider that we are now combining two books in one, i.e. the Annual Report plus the Handbook. These were formerly two separate publications. These have now been combined in a single volume. The relative cost of this in relation to the two previous publications is not greatly significant, but certainly we should be delighted to provide you with full information and the Council can decide if we should continue with a hard cover next year.

MR. BERNACCHI (in English):-A point of clarification. If indeed it was put before the Council at the last Standing Committee meeting, which I was unable to attend, I withdraw my remarks.

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MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, a point of clarification. I was there and I swear there was no book on my desk.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Well, if there was no book on your desk would it not have been a simple matter for you to ask the Secretary for one? MRS. GRACE HO (in English):—Actually, before the meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council I did draw the attention of the Secretary a minor error in my biography, but I am not going to vote against the report because of a minor error like that. I support this issue. This is a good publication and it does set out the work of the Council which is not just all recreation. We have other factors of the Council's work in this.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Thank you. Any other Member? If not, I will exercise my right of reply under Standing Order 21(17). Even on such a simple matter as the Council's annual report, one or two Members' attitude to the Council's work is curious. First and foremost, in fairness to the Secretary, I ought to say rightaway that Mr. Howard YOUNG, Mr. MACKENZIE and other Members have rightly brought out the fact that this report had been issued in advance and was indeed laid on the table at the Standing Committee of the Whole Council. At that time, I remember distinctly that I asked Members to read it. I commented then on the fact that the chapters had been sent separately in draft form to Chairmen of Select Committees for them to approve or otherwise amend their respective contributions. So this report is actually the combined effort of the Council following the initial work by the department with the editor going through the whole book subsequently. Thus, no Member can claim now that he or she did not get an advance copy of this report. It is a fact then that Chairmen of all Select Committees saw their respective parts in preparation.

Secondly, on the question of its presentation, Mr. MACKENZIE has amply clarified the points made just now, which had been discussed anyway in the Administration Select Committee. This report is sent around the world. It is widely distributed to libraries, museums and other relevant institutions. It is given very wide local distribution too, as was pointed out by Mr. MACKENZIE: to schools, government departments, community associations and many public bodies in Hong Kong. It is also on sale. It is a report which does the Council proud. The better the presentation, surely the more con- gratulations are due to the Administration Select Committee, the department, the Secretary and the editor for a job well done. Now, having clarified all these points, I hope that Members will see the position in its true and proper perspective. I will now put the motion as proposed by me and seconded by the Vice-Chairman, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN to you for the vote. Are you ready for the question?

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