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simple reason they were quite unable to judge, I think it should be a separate committee.
MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:- Mr. Chairman, from the beginning I knew very little about Museums and art. I must say I came from a class that does not know very much about this. However, after hearing all this, perhaps there is some justification, particularly Mrs. ELLIOTT'S remarks that some people are interested in libraries but not in art and others interested in the City Hall management, but not necessarily in those things about Sung dynasty, certain dish or something. Perhaps this point was not raised when we considered the reconstitution of this committee. But after six months something has emerged. Perhaps it would be fair for this matter to be referred to the Committee of the Whole Council in the light of all this new opinion to be reconsidered. So, I therefore, move to have this question referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council under Standing Orders. Mr. Chairman, you know better.
CHAIRMAN:- There is a proposal that this matter be referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council. Is there any seconder for this motion?
(There was no seconder.)
MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:- If this is not seconded I will abstain from voting if this is the situation.
MR. LOBO:- Mr. Chairman, if Mr. BERNACCHI does not want to say anything further, I suggest you put the question.
CHAIRMAN:- Do you wish to reply, Mr. BERNACCHI?
MR. BERNACCHI:- Yes. I will not reply in detail, but when I heard Mr. Lo speaking, I made the note that it is surely wrong to have a large committee dealing with specialized subject which requires a small number of people that are interested in that specialized subject, and that has been made very clear in Mrs. ELLIOTT's speech. I do think, apart from anything about insulting or anything like that to advisers, that Mrs. ELLIOTT has brought out the fact that the large Cultural Affairs Committee is in effect at sea when it comes to considering items of art or museum pieces, and that she, and certainly she said other members, abstain because of the fact they cannot form a judgment, and in my submission it is necessary for this museum and art gallery to have a small specialized, or at any rate interested membership, as an independent Select Committee.
The question was put.
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The motion was lost with 11 votes against, 4 for and 4 abstentions. (Messrs. Raymond Y. K. KAN and Peter P. K. NG left the meeting at this point.)
(4) DR. DENNY M. H. HUANG moved the following motion:-
"That the Laundries (Amendment) By-laws 1972 be made under section 40 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132."
He said: Mr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Environmental Hygiene Select Committee, I rise to move the motion standing in my name.
"That the Laundries (Amendment) By-laws 1972 be made under section 40 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132."
The main purpose of these amendments is to remove certain obsolete provisions contained in By-laws 16 and 20 of the principal By-laws for the prevention of vermin in laundries and laundry depots. I beg to move.
(Mr. Peter P. F. CHAN left the meeting at this point.)
MR. HENRY WONG:- Mr. Chairman, I second the motion.
(Mr. T. S. LO left the meeting at this point.)
The question was put.
The motion was carried unanimously.
(5) DR. DENNY M. H. HUANG moved the following motion:-
"RESOLVED that the Private Cemeteries (Amendment) By-laws 1972, the Public Cemeteries (Amendment) By-laws 1972 and the Exhumation (Fees) By-laws 1972 be made under Sections 116 and 118 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132."
He said:- The need for making these amendments, and a new set of By-laws to cover the collection of exhumation fees, is set out fully
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simple reason they were quite unable to judge, I think it should be a separate committee.
MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, from the beginning I knew very little about Museums and art. I must say I came from a class that does not know very much about this. However, after hearing all this, perhaps there is some justification, particularly Mrs. ELLIOTT'S remarks that some people are interested in libraries but not in art and others interested in the City Hall management, but not necessarily in those things about Sung dynasty, certain dish or something. Perhaps this point was not raised when we considered the reconstitution of this committee. But after six months something has emerged. Perhaps it would be fair for this matter to be referred to the Committee of the Whole Council in the light of all this new opinion to be reconsidered. So, I therefore, move to have this question referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council under Standing Orders. Mr. Chair- man, you know better.
CHAIRMAN:-There is a proposal that this matter be referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council. Is there any seconder for this motion?
(There was no seconder.)
MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-If this is not seconded I will abstain from voting if this is the situation.
MR. LOBO:-Mr. Chairman, if Mr. BERNACCHI does not want to say anything further, I suggest you put the question.
CHAIRMAN:-Do you wish to reply, Mr. BERNACCHI?
MR. BERNACCHI-Yes. I will not reply in detail, but when I heard Mr. Lo speaking, I made the note that it is surely wrong to have a large committee dealing with specialized subject which requires a small number of people that are interested in that specialized subject, and that has been made very clear in Mrs. ELLIOTT's speech. I do think, apart from anything about insulting or anything like that to advisers, that Mrs. ELLIOTT has brought out the fact that the large Cultural Affairs Committee is in effect at sea when it comes to con- sidering items of art or museum pieces, and that she, and certainly she said other members, abstain because of the fact they cannot form a judgment, and in my submission it is necessary for this museum and art gallery to have a small specialized, or at any rate interested member- ship, as an independent Select Committee.
The question was put.
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The motion was lost with 11 votes against, 4 for and 4 abstentions. (Messrs. Raymond Y. K. KAN and Peter P. K. NG left the meeting at this point.)
(4) DR. DENNY M. H. HUANG moved the following motion:-
"That the Laundries (Amendment) By-laws 1972 be made under section 40 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132."
He said: Mr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Environmental Hygiene Select Committee, I rise to move the motion standing in my
name.
"That the Laundries (Amendment) By-laws 1972 be made under section 40 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132."
The main purpose of these amendments is to remove certain obsolete provisions contained in By-laws 16 and 20 of the principal By-laws for the prevention of vermin in laundries and laundry depots. I beg to move.
(Mr. Peter P. F. CHAN left the meeting at this point.)
MR. HENRY WONG:-Mr. Chairman, I second the motion.
(Mr. T. S. LO left the meeting at this point.)
The question was put.
The motion was carried unanimously.
(5) DR. DENNY M. H. HUANG moved the following motion :·
"RESOLVED that the Private Cemeteries (Amendment) By- laws 1972, the Public Cemeteries (Amendment) By-laws 1972 and the Exhumation (Fees) By-laws 1972 be made under Sections 116 and 118 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, Cap. 132."
He said:-The need for making these amendments, and a new set of By-laws to cover the collection of exhumation fees, is set out fully
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