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which could be of great benefit to the hawkers as well as the public at large. I therefore would like to move the amendment as I have proposed.

MR. PETER P. F. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I second Mr. LOBO's proposed amendment.

CHAIRMAN:---An amendment to the Motion has been proposed and seconded. Perhaps it would help if I were to read out how the amended version now appears. "Now that the issue of further pedlar licences has been discontinued, this Council is agreed that the normal dimensions of all fixed pitch stalls and fixed pedlar stalls shall be reviewed by the Hawker Policy Select Committee and its decision presented to the Whole Council for its final approval and implementa- tion." Is that correct Mr. LOBO? (Mr. LOBO signified his agreement). Is there any Member who wishes to speak to the amendment?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:—I should like to support the amend- ment, Mr. Chairman. I'm sure I ought to say why I oppose the original Motion. It is this question of increasing the length of footpath, that's my primary concern, which will be affected by these stalls. Now, I know Mr. BERNACCHI has said-quite rightly so that at the present moment these stalls exceed the statutory limit of 4 feet in length, but I don't think this is any reason for agreeing to an increase in length, if we now are determined to enforce the hawker regulations. Similarly, whilst we may now at the moment have an embargo on issuing further hawker licences, I don't know whether it is going to be a permanent embargo, and if, in the future, we allow more, then you have a greater length of the footpath than there is at present. My primary concern is the footpath.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, although I support Mr. BERNACCHI'S Motion in spirit, it is very difficult for the Policy Committee. I think it will be very difficult to manage some of the particular situa- tions, particularly some of the streets here-some of the hawkers stalls in Marble Road, they are 3 x 4 feet and I visit them once every month. I think they are doing reasonable business because that is a good location. But for locations which are a little bit more remote, like up in Ham Tin, perhaps 3 x 6 would be more in order, perhaps even 3 x 9. But the situation varies from place to place and varies because of the population demand for food and things like that. This is a very complicated issue and perhaps it will be better considered sitting in a committee, in the atmosphere where every factor will be considered, and possibly some of the areas can have 3 x 6 feet, but in other areas you can even have it bigger. But to define the size for every fixed pitch in an area would be binding the hand of the Policy Committee, which has been working very hard to solve the problem for the hawker, the public, and the community as a whole. Therefore, although I support Mr. BERNACCHI'S

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Motion in spirit, I think the Council will function better to help the hawker problem by adopting the amendment Motion. Therefore, I support the amendment Motion.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, is it possible to ask for a clarifica- tion of something?

CHAIRMAN: -A clarification is all right, Mrs. ELLIOTT.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-I would like to ask whether someone can clarify whether or not it has already been decided by the Policy Committee that stalls will be 3' X 4'-it's not under discussion.

The

MR. LOBO:-I don't think the size has been decided on. Chairman of the Policy Committee is not here, but I think there is an item on the agenda on sizes to be discussed.

MR. HU:-I think, Mr. Chairman

CHAIRMAN: ---Mr. Hu, you're seeking clarification?

MR. HU: Yes, I clarify this point, Mr. Chairman. The word "review" is used, so even if it is decided, it can still be reviewed tomor- The word "review" means it could be reviewed any time.

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We are still speaking to the amendment. Is there any Member who has not spoken to the amendment who now wishes to speak?

MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, I think there is no harm to decide 6 x 3. As I have said, the model hawking site, which was shown to us, is 6 x 3. So, if the Council thinks 6 X 3 is the proper size for hawking, I do not think that would . . . .

CHAIRMAN: Mr. Hu, I'm sorry, I think you are speaking to the original Motion, now I'm with the amendment.

MR. HU: Amendment Motion. I am speaking on the amend- ment Motion-we can.

CHAIRMAN: --Yes, if you will speak to it.

MR. HU:-Why I could not agree with amended Motion, Mr. Chairman why I say that the original Motion would be a good Motion -I would say that if the Council thinks that 6 × 3 is a good size, then there is no need to have this amendment.

(Dr. Denny M. H. HUANG left the meeting at this point).

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I clarify the point which Mrs. ELLIOTT tried to seek clarification. I think it is in the hawker by-laws that the size of fixed pitch is decided, I think they even