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sisting of some 30 men with all its available transport to carry out a concentrated effort to improve condition in the area.

There has been a slight improvement with regard to the provision of recreational facilities in the area since Mr. CHEONG-LEEN asked his last question. There is now the Aldrich Street Playground (a children's playground and sitting-out area) and the Factory Street Temporary Playground which consists of one basketball court. Funds have recently been released from the block vote for the construction of another temporary children's playground between Shau Kei Wan Road and Nam On Fong Village. There is also the new Shau Kei Wan market, which is expected to be completed sometime in mid-1971, on top of which will be provided a well-equipped children's playground.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, was the special cleansing campaign which started on the 1st of this month considered to be a success?

VICE-CHAIRMAN: - Mr. Chairman, it is too early to say whether or not it was a success, as it is not due to end until the 15th of this month. I may say that I visited the area last Thursday morning and it was well in progress then.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - In other words, the Vice-Chairman was quite satisfied with the way the campaign got off the ground?

VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I am satisfied, Mr. Chairman, with the way the campaign got off the ground but I must, of course, reserve judgment on whether or not it will be a success, at least until it has been over for some little time.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, at the time when the Vice-Chairman will be reviewing the results achieved by this campaign, will he also keep in mind whether or not it will be desirable also to have a further campaign at a later date?

VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I will most certainly review the subject shortly after the present campaign is over.

MRS. ELLIOTT: - Mr. Chairman, I am sure that the Vice-Chairman is not aware of this fact, so I would like to ask him - he says that there is nothing to prevent the people living in Aldrich Bay from applying for Government Low-Cost Housing. Is the Vice-Chairman aware that the last thing they are likely to get is Low-Cost Housing? The waiting list is so long that it is just deceiving the public to say such a thing.

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CHAIRMAN: - I don't think Mrs. ELLIOTT that this is really in order, but it is not deceiving to say that they can apply for Low-Cost Housing.

MRS. ELLIOTT: - Exactly; apply for it, as long as it is made clear they won't get it.

MR. HU: - Mr. Chairman, may I ask how wide is that area of Aldrich Bay. How many people living in this area?

VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I am unable, off-hand, Mr. Chairman, to give you the exact acreage of the area including that occupied by boat squatters. I am also unable to give an exact estimate of the population, but I understand it is of the order of 3,500 to 4,000.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN: - Mr. Chairman, since the Commissioner for Resettlement is not here, may I ask the Vice-Chairman - he said that he would "not hesitate to recommend an early clearance of the inhabitants". May I ask the Vice-Chairman whether he has some indication from the Commissioner for Resettlement when will be the earliest possible date for them to be resettled?

VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I would make it clear, Mr. Chairman, that people are resettled if the area in which they live is required for redevelopment, and that I have already said that this area will not, in the near future, be required for redevelopment. I am, therefore, quite unable to give any indication as to when or whether these people might be offered resettlement. All that I have said is that I would recommend to Government the early clearance of the area, not necessarily resettlement, if the public health came to be seriously jeopardized by its continuing existence.

MR. SALES: - May I have your permission to clear a point on a matter of policy involving the Council. The Vice-Chairman has stated the position as far as the Government is concerned, Sir, but I think it ought to be made known that it is a position which is completely unacceptable to the Urban Council, that people should be resettled only if Government want the land for redevelopment. The Urban Council has said, time and again, and a motion has been passed on this particular subject, that people must be given housing accommodation by the Government if the need for that exists. If they live in abject squalor and under miserable conditions then that in itself is reason enough and it would be humane for Government to resettle them, not just because the Government requires the land for development. This is a position which the Urban Council has not been able to accept in the past and it is not likely to accept now.

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Page 12 of 241 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL sisting of some 30 men with all its available transport to carry out a concentrated effort to improve condition in the area. There has been a slight improvement with regard to the provision of recreational facilities in the area since Mr. CHEONG-LEEN asked his last question. There is now the Aldrich Street Playground (a children's playground and sitting-out area) and the Factory Street Temporary Playground which consists of one basketball court. Funds have recently been released from the block vote for the construction of another temporary children's playground between Shau Kei Wan Road and Nam On Fong Village. There is also the new Shau Kei Wan market, which is expected to be completed sometime in mid-1971, on top of which will be provided a well-equipped children's playground. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, was the special cleansing campaign which started on the 1st of this month considered to be a success? VICE-CHAIRMAN: - Mr. Chairman, it is too early to say whether or not it was a success, as it is not due to end until the 15th of this month. I may say that I visited the area last Thursday morning and it was well in progress then. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - In other words, the Vice-Chairman was quite satisfied with the way the campaign got off the ground? VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I am satisfied, Mr. Chairman, with the way the campaign got off the ground but I must, of course, reserve judgment on whether or not it will be a success, at least until it has been over for some little time. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, at the time when the Vice-Chairman will be reviewing the results achieved by this campaign, will he also keep in mind whether or not it will be desirable also to have a further campaign at a later date? VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I will most certainly review the subject shortly after the present campaign is over. MRS. ELLIOTT: - Mr. Chairman, I am sure that the Vice-Chairman is not aware of this fact, so I would like to ask him - he says that there is nothing to prevent the people living in Aldrich Bay from applying for Government Low-Cost Housing. Is the Vice-Chairman aware that the last thing they are likely to get is Low-Cost Housing? The waiting list is so long that it is just deceiving the public to say such a thing. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL CHAIRMAN: - I don't think Mrs. ELLIOTT that this is really in order, but it is not deceiving to say that they can apply for Low-Cost Housing. MRS. ELLIOTT: - Exactly; apply for it, as long as it is made clear they won't get it. MR. HU: - Mr. Chairman, may I ask how wide is that area of Aldrich Bay. How many people living in this area? VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I am unable, off-hand, Mr. Chairman, to give you the exact acreage of the area including that occupied by boat squatters. I am also unable to give an exact estimate of the population, but I understand it is of the order of 3,500 to 4,000. MR. PETER C. K. CHAN: - Mr. Chairman, since the Commissioner for Resettlement is not here, may I ask the Vice-Chairman - he said that he would "not hesitate to recommend an early clearance of the inhabitants". May I ask the Vice-Chairman whether he has some indication from the Commissioner for Resettlement when will be the earliest possible date for them to be resettled? VICE-CHAIRMAN: - I would make it clear, Mr. Chairman, that people are resettled if the area in which they live is required for redevelopment, and that I have already said that this area will not, in the near future, be required for redevelopment. I am, therefore, quite unable to give any indication as to when or whether these people might be offered resettlement. All that I have said is that I would recommend to Government the early clearance of the area, not necessarily resettlement, if the public health came to be seriously jeopardized by its continuing existence. MR. SALES: - May I have your permission to clear a point on a matter of policy involving the Council. The Vice-Chairman has stated the position as far as the Government is concerned, Sir, but I think it ought to be made known that it is a position which is completely unacceptable to the Urban Council, that people should be resettled only if Government want the land for redevelopment. The Urban Council has said, time and again, and a motion has been passed on this particular subject, that people must be given housing accommodation by the Government if the need for that exists. If they live in abject squalor and under miserable conditions then that in itself is reason enough and it would be humane for Government to resettle them, not just because the Government requires the land for development. This is a position which the Urban Council has not been able to accept in the past and it is not likely to accept now. Page 12 of 241

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41 Page 12 of 241 6 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL sisting of some 30 men with all its available transport to carry out a concentrated effort to improve condition in the area. There has been a slight improvement with regard to the provi- sion of recreational facilities in the area since Mr. CHEONG- LEEN asked his last question. There is now the Aldrich Street Playground (a children's playground and sitting-out area) and the Factory Street Temporary Playground which consists of one basketball court. Funds have recently been released from the block vote for the construction of another temporary children's playground between Shau Kei Wan Road and Nam On Fong Village. There is also the new Shau Kei Wan market, which is expected to be completed sometime in mid-1971, on top of which will be provided a well-equipped children's playground. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, was the special cleansing campaign which started on the 1st of this month considered to be a success? VICE-CHAIRMAN:-Mr. Chairman, it is too early to say whether or not it was a success, as it is not due to end until the 15th of this month. I may say that I visited the area last Thursday morning and it was well in progress then. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-In other words, the Vice-Chairman was quite satisfied with the way the campaign got off the ground? VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I am satisfied, Mr. Chairman, with the way the campaign got off the ground but I must, of course, reserve judgment on whether or not it will be a success, at least until it has been over for some little time. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, at the time when the Vice- Chairman will be reviewing the results achieved by this campaign, will he also keep in mind whether or not it will be desirable also to have a further campaign at a later date? VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I will most certainly review the subject shortly after the present campaign is over. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I am sure that the Vice-Chairman is not aware of this fact, so I would like to ask him-he says that there is nothing to prevent the people living in Aldrich Bay from applying for Government Low-Cost Housing. Is the Vice-Chairman aware that the last thing they are likely to get is Low-Cost Housing? The waiting list is so long that it is just deceiving the public to say such a thing. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 7 CHAIRMAN: --I don't think Mrs. ELLIOTT that this is really in order, but it is not deceiving to say that they can apply for Low-Cost Housing. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Exactly; apply for it, as long as it is made clear they won't get it. MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, may I ask how wide is that area of Aldrich Bay. How many people living in this area? VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I am unable, off-hand, Mr. Chairman, to give you the exact acreage of the area including that occupied by boat squatters. I am also unable to give an exact estimate of the popula- tion, but I understand it is of the order of 3,500 to 4,000. MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, since the Commissioner for Resettlement is not here, may I ask the Vice-Chairman-he said that he would "not hestitate to recommend an early clearance of the inhabitants". May I ask the Vice-Chairman whether he has some indication from the Commissioner for Resettlement when will be the earliest possible date for them to be resettled? VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I would make it clear, Mr. Chairman, that people are resettled if the area in which they live is required for redevelopment, and that I have already said that this area will not, in the near future, be required for redevelopment. I am, therefore, quite unable to give any indication as to when or whether these people might be offered resettlement. All that I have said is that I would recommend to Government the early clearance of the area, not necessarily resettle- ment, if the public health came to be seriously jeopardized by its continuing existence. MR. SALES: -May I have your permission to clear a point on a matter of policy involving the Council. The Vice-Chairman has stated the position as far as the Government is concerned, Sir, but I think it ought to be made known that it is a position which is completely unacceptable to the Urban Council, that people should be resettled only if Government want the land for redevelopment. The Urban Council has said, time and again, and a motion has been passed on this particular subject, that people must be given housing accommoda- tion by the Government if the need for that exists. If they live in abject squalor and under miserable conditions then that in itself is reason enough and it would be humane for Government to resettle them, not just because the Government requires the land for development. This is a position which the Urban Council has not been able to accept in the past and it is not likely to accept now.

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sisting of some 30 men with all its available transport to carry out a concentrated effort to improve condition in the area.

There has been a slight improvement with regard to the provi- sion of recreational facilities in the area since Mr. CHEONG- LEEN asked his last question. There is now the Aldrich Street Playground (a children's playground and sitting-out area) and the Factory Street Temporary Playground which consists of one basketball court. Funds have recently been released from the block vote for the construction of another temporary children's playground between Shau Kei Wan Road and Nam On Fong Village. There is also the new Shau Kei Wan market, which is expected to be completed sometime in mid-1971, on top of which will be provided a well-equipped children's playground.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, was the special cleansing campaign which started on the 1st of this month considered to be a success?

VICE-CHAIRMAN:-Mr. Chairman, it is too early to say whether or not it was a success, as it is not due to end until the 15th of this month. I may say that I visited the area last Thursday morning and it was well in progress then.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-In other words, the Vice-Chairman was quite satisfied with the way the campaign got off the ground?

VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I am satisfied, Mr. Chairman, with the way the campaign got off the ground but I must, of course, reserve judgment on whether or not it will be a success, at least until it has been over for some little time.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, at the time when the Vice- Chairman will be reviewing the results achieved by this campaign, will he also keep in mind whether or not it will be desirable also to have a further campaign at a later date?

VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I will most certainly review the subject shortly after the present campaign is over.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I am sure that the Vice-Chairman is not aware of this fact, so I would like to ask him-he says that there is nothing to prevent the people living in Aldrich Bay from applying for Government Low-Cost Housing. Is the Vice-Chairman aware that the last thing they are likely to get is Low-Cost Housing? The waiting list is so long that it is just deceiving the public to say such a thing.

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CHAIRMAN: --I don't think Mrs. ELLIOTT that this is really in order, but it is not deceiving to say that they can apply for Low-Cost Housing.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Exactly; apply for it, as long as it is made clear they won't get it.

MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, may I ask how wide is that area of Aldrich Bay. How many people living in this area?

VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I am unable, off-hand, Mr. Chairman, to give you the exact acreage of the area including that occupied by boat squatters. I am also unable to give an exact estimate of the popula- tion, but I understand it is of the order of 3,500 to 4,000.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, since the Commissioner for Resettlement is not here, may I ask the Vice-Chairman-he said that he would "not hestitate to recommend an early clearance of the inhabitants". May I ask the Vice-Chairman whether he has some indication from the Commissioner for Resettlement when will be the earliest possible date for them to be resettled?

VICE-CHAIRMAN:-I would make it clear, Mr. Chairman, that people are resettled if the area in which they live is required for redevelopment, and that I have already said that this area will not, in the near future, be required for redevelopment. I am, therefore, quite unable to give any indication as to when or whether these people might be offered resettlement. All that I have said is that I would recommend to Government the early clearance of the area, not necessarily resettle- ment, if the public health came to be seriously jeopardized by its continuing existence.

MR. SALES: -May I have your permission to clear a point on a matter of policy involving the Council. The Vice-Chairman has stated the position as far as the Government is concerned, Sir, but I think it ought to be made known that it is a position which is completely unacceptable to the Urban Council, that people should be resettled only if Government want the land for redevelopment. The Urban Council has said, time and again, and a motion has been passed on this particular subject, that people must be given housing accommoda- tion by the Government if the need for that exists. If they live in abject squalor and under miserable conditions then that in itself is reason enough and it would be humane for Government to resettle them, not just because the Government requires the land for development. This is a position which the Urban Council has not been able to accept in the past and it is not likely to accept now.

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