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MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, in that case, can someone tell me why when I questioned an officer of the Resettlement Department about a week ago, I was told that there were only 4 small flats not let?

MR. Y. K. KAN:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask, through you, the Chairman of the Resettlement Policy Select Committee, whether these two small flats could be combined to make a large one? Is it possible?

MR. HU:- I can answer because I personally inspected these flats, therefore I know the position. I did discuss this with the people there. It is apparently structurally very difficult to have anything done, and it is not possible to combine the small flats together with the medium flats because of structural difficulty.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Mr. Chairman, isn't it a fact that this particular block is an experimental block, and the Department, after having studied its possibilities, do have plans to have an improved version for future blocks?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:- Yes, Mr. Chairman, that is correct. It is an experimental block. Any criticisms there may be, any observations this Council may have, will be taken into account.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, my question remains unanswered as to why after we have been told there were only 4 small flats, we find there now seem to be 60 small flats vacant. And I would also like to ask how they are going to be let, because there are so few people asking for them.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Mr. Chairman, a week ago, there was a sufficient number of enquiries, and then they backed down, don't want to carry on, because they don't like it, so they withdrew.

MR. LO TAK-SHING:- Is the Department still only allowing internal decantation applications for these small flats? Or are you considering allowing external decantation again for these small flats?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- At the moment we are still working on the policy as decided by the Committee, as listed in paragraph 1 of the answer.

MR. LO:- Could we have the matter brought up again by the Resettlement Management Select Committee?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Certainly.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask if it would be possible to consider letting these flats to handicapped people, small families?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- The suggestion can be put to the Select Committee, Sir.

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MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, will the Resettlement Policy Select Committee consider setting, as a matter of policy, a time limit for the taking up of flats after their allocation, so that after a certain lapse of time made known to the public at large, such flats as are not taken up will be re-allocated, as a matter of Council policy?

MR. BERNACCHI:- I think that really is not so much a matter of Council policy as a matter of Management policy. I think it is better that the Management Select Committee considers it and determines the number of days or weeks that an offer remains valid.

MR. HU:- I think I can answer this question for Mr. SALES. We have already delegated our powers to Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. T. S. Lo, and they can decide what they should do. If they want guidance from the Management Select Committee, they are always welcome to present their points to the Select Committee.

MR. SALES:- Sir, I was not thinking of an ad hoc decision on specific cases. I was thinking of a general policy made known to the people at large, that after a period of time lapsing from the date of allocation, if a flat is not taken up it is immediately reallocated by the Department. A policy that is made known to people so that there will be no recrimination.

MR. HU:- We will look into it.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I am still a little concerned about block 25 because there is such a great demand. Could the Department inform us of the latest situation so we know, when people come to ask us about these flats, what to say to them, because this is my Ward and people still come asking for them.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Inform what, Mr. Chairman?

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Inform how many flats are still vacant and how they can be allocated.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- This revised answer was prepared yesterday.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- But we don't know how we can allocate them.

MR. LO:- I think, Mr. Chairman, it would be in order if I were to suggest that the Commissioner approach Mrs. ELLIOTT and myself again on the question of the small rooms in block 25. We were given the authority by the Management Committee.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I will be very pleased to do so, Sir.

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Page 109 of 241 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, in that case, can someone tell me why when I questioned an officer of the Resettlement Department about a week ago, I was told that there were only 4 small flats not let? MR. Y. K. KAN:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask, through you, the Chairman of the Resettlement Policy Select Committee, whether these two small flats could be combined to make a large one? Is it possible? MR. HU:- I can answer because I personally inspected these flats, therefore I know the position. I did discuss this with the people there. It is apparently structurally very difficult to have anything done, and it is not possible to combine the small flats together with the medium flats because of structural difficulty. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Mr. Chairman, isn't it a fact that this particular block is an experimental block, and the Department, after having studied its possibilities, do have plans to have an improved version for future blocks? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:- Yes, Mr. Chairman, that is correct. It is an experimental block. Any criticisms there may be, any observations this Council may have, will be taken into account. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, my question remains unanswered as to why after we have been told there were only 4 small flats, we find there now seem to be 60 small flats vacant. And I would also like to ask how they are going to be let, because there are so few people asking for them. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Mr. Chairman, a week ago, there was a sufficient number of enquiries, and then they backed down, don't want to carry on, because they don't like it, so they withdrew. MR. LO TAK-SHING:- Is the Department still only allowing internal decantation applications for these small flats? Or are you considering allowing external decantation again for these small flats? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- At the moment we are still working on the policy as decided by the Committee, as listed in paragraph 1 of the answer. MR. LO:- Could we have the matter brought up again by the Resettlement Management Select Committee? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Certainly. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask if it would be possible to consider letting these flats to handicapped people, small families? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- The suggestion can be put to the Select Committee, Sir. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, will the Resettlement Policy Select Committee consider setting, as a matter of policy, a time limit for the taking up of flats after their allocation, so that after a certain lapse of time made known to the public at large, such flats as are not taken up will be re-allocated, as a matter of Council policy? MR. BERNACCHI:- I think that really is not so much a matter of Council policy as a matter of Management policy. I think it is better that the Management Select Committee considers it and determines the number of days or weeks that an offer remains valid. MR. HU:- I think I can answer this question for Mr. SALES. We have already delegated our powers to Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. T. S. Lo, and they can decide what they should do. If they want guidance from the Management Select Committee, they are always welcome to present their points to the Select Committee. MR. SALES:- Sir, I was not thinking of an ad hoc decision on specific cases. I was thinking of a general policy made known to the people at large, that after a period of time lapsing from the date of allocation, if a flat is not taken up it is immediately reallocated by the Department. A policy that is made known to people so that there will be no recrimination. MR. HU:- We will look into it. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I am still a little concerned about block 25 because there is such a great demand. Could the Department inform us of the latest situation so we know, when people come to ask us about these flats, what to say to them, because this is my Ward and people still come asking for them. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Inform what, Mr. Chairman? MRS. ELLIOTT:- Inform how many flats are still vacant and how they can be allocated. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- This revised answer was prepared yesterday. MRS. ELLIOTT:- But we don't know how we can allocate them. MR. LO:- I think, Mr. Chairman, it would be in order if I were to suggest that the Commissioner approach Mrs. ELLIOTT and myself again on the question of the small rooms in block 25. We were given the authority by the Management Committee. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I will be very pleased to do so, Sir. Page 110 of 241 241 11 198 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 199

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241 11 Page 109 of 241 198 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, in that case, can someone tell me why when I questioned an officer of the Resettlement Department about a week ago, I was told that there were only 4 small flats not let? MR. Y. K. KAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask, through you, the Chairman of the Resettlement Policy Select Committee, whether these two small flats could be combined to make a large one? Is it possible? MR. HU: -I can answer because I personally inspected these flats, therefore I know the position. I did discuss this with the people there. It is apparently structurally very difficult to have anything done, and it is not possible to combine the small flats together with the medium flats because of structural difficulty. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, isn't it a fact that this partic- ular block is an experimental block, and the Department, after having studied its possibilities, do have plans to have an improved version for future blocks? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:—Yes, Mr. Chairman, that is correct. It is an experimental block. Any criticisms there may be, any observa- tions this Council may have, will be taken into account. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, my question remains unanswered as to why after we have been told there were only 4 small flats, we find there now seem to be 60 small flats vacant. And I would also like to ask how they are going to be let, because there are so few people asking for them. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, a week ago, there was a sufficient number of enquiries, and then they backed down, don't want to carry on, because they don't like it, so they withdrew. MR. LO TAK-SHING:-Is the Department still only allowing in- ternal decantation applications for these small flats? Or are you con- sidering allowing external decantation again for these small flats? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-At the moment we are still working on the policy as decided by the Committee, as listed in para- graph I of the answer. MR. Lo: Could we have the matter brought up again by the Resettlement Management Select Committee? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Certainly. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask if it would be possible to consider letting these flats to handicapped people, small families? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-The suggestion can be put to the Select Committee, Sir. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 199 MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, will the Resettlement Policy Select Committee consider setting, as a matter of policy, a time limit for the taking up of flats after their allocation, so that after a certain lapse of time made known to the public at large, such flats as are not taken up will be re-allocated, as a matter of Council policy? MR. BERNACCHI:-I think that really is not so much a matter of Council policy as a matter of Management policy. I think it is better that the Management Select Committee considers it and determines the number of days or weeks that an offer remains valid. We MR. HU: --I think I can answer this question for Mr. SALES. have already delegated our powers to Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. T. S. Lo, and they can decide what they should do. If they want guidance from the Management Select Committee, they are always welcome to present their points to the Select Committee. MR. SALES: Sir, I was not thinking of an ad hoc decision on specific cases. I was thinking of a general policy made known to the people at large, that after a period of time lapsing from the date of allocation, if a flat is not taken up it is immediately reallocated by the Department. A policy that is made known to people so that there will be no recrimination. MR. HU: We will look into it. MRS. ELLIOTT: --Mr. Chairman, I am still a little concerned about block 25 because there is such a great demand. Could the Department inform us of the latest situation so we know, when people come to ask us about these flats, what to say to them, because this is my Ward and people still come asking for them. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ----Inform what, Mr. Chairman? MRS. ELLIOTT:-Inform how many flats are still vacant and how they can be allocated. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-This revised answer was pre- pared yesterday. MRS. ELLIOTT:-But we don't know how we can allocate them. MR. LO: I think, Mr. Chairman, it would be in order if I were to suggest that the Commissioner approach Mrs. ELLIOTT and myself again on the question of the small rooms in block 25. We were given the authority by the Management Committee. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I will be very pleased to do so, Sir.

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MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, in that case, can someone tell me why when I questioned an officer of the Resettlement Department about a week ago, I was told that there were only 4 small flats not let?

MR. Y. K. KAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask, through you, the Chairman of the Resettlement Policy Select Committee, whether these two small flats could be combined to make a large one? Is it possible?

MR. HU: -I can answer because I personally inspected these flats, therefore I know the position. I did discuss this with the people there. It is apparently structurally very difficult to have anything done, and it is not possible to combine the small flats together with the medium flats because of structural difficulty.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, isn't it a fact that this partic- ular block is an experimental block, and the Department, after having studied its possibilities, do have plans to have an improved version for future blocks?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:—Yes, Mr. Chairman, that is correct. It is an experimental block. Any criticisms there may be, any observa- tions this Council may have, will be taken into account.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, my question remains unanswered as to why after we have been told there were only 4 small flats, we find there now seem to be 60 small flats vacant. And I would also like to ask how they are going to be let, because there are so few people asking for them.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, a week ago, there was a sufficient number of enquiries, and then they backed down, don't want to carry on, because they don't like it, so they withdrew.

MR. LO TAK-SHING:-Is the Department still only allowing in- ternal decantation applications for these small flats? Or are you con- sidering allowing external decantation again for these small flats?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-At the moment we are still working on the policy as decided by the Committee, as listed in para- graph I of the answer.

MR. Lo: Could we have the matter brought up again by the Resettlement Management Select Committee?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Certainly.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask if it would be possible to consider letting these flats to handicapped people, small families?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-The suggestion can be put to the Select Committee, Sir.

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MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, will the Resettlement Policy Select Committee consider setting, as a matter of policy, a time limit for the taking up of flats after their allocation, so that after a certain lapse of time made known to the public at large, such flats as are not taken up will be re-allocated, as a matter of Council policy?

MR. BERNACCHI:-I think that really is not so much a matter of Council policy as a matter of Management policy. I think it is better that the Management Select Committee considers it and determines the number of days or weeks that an offer remains valid.

MR. HU: --I think I can answer this question for Mr. SALES. have already delegated our powers to Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. T. S. Lo, and they can decide what they should do. If they want guidance from the Management Select Committee, they are always welcome to present their points to the Select Committee.

MR. SALES: Sir, I was not thinking of an ad hoc decision on specific cases. I was thinking of a general policy made known to the people at large, that after a period of time lapsing from the date of allocation, if a flat is not taken up it is immediately reallocated by the Department. A policy that is made known to people so that there will be no recrimination.

MR. HU: We will look into it.

MRS. ELLIOTT: --Mr. Chairman, I am still a little concerned about block 25 because there is such a great demand. Could the Department inform us of the latest situation so we know, when people come to ask us about these flats, what to say to them, because this is my Ward and people still come asking for them.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ----Inform what, Mr. Chairman?

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Inform how many flats are still vacant and how they can be allocated.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-This revised answer was pre- pared yesterday.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-But we don't know how we can allocate them.

MR. LO: I think, Mr. Chairman, it would be in order if I were to suggest that the Commissioner approach Mrs. ELLIOTT and myself again on the question of the small rooms in block 25. We were given the authority by the Management Committee.

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