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(10) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question:

I see that an article has appeared in the press that roof-top school heads of resettlement estates are urging the Government to help financially.

Has the Council been consulted in this matter?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:

A paper on the policy with regard to roof-top schools in the resettlement estates was put before the Resettlement Policy and the Resettlement Management Select Committees at a joint meeting on 29th May. Representatives of the Education Department were present at the meeting and the views of the Members of the Committee are being forwarded to the Director.

(11) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question:

Is there a waiting list for persons for hawker bazaars sited within or in the vicinity of resettlement estates?

If so, when is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there?

MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:

Sites for hawker bazaars are provided in the layout of all resettlement estates. However, in the absence of effective control, hawkers usually tend to operate from sites of their own choice rather than in the areas reserved for hawker bazaars. As and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control over them, sites will be allocated to hawkers actually trading in the area. At present, neither the Resettlement Department nor the Urban Services Department keeps waiting lists.

MR. BERNACCHI: Mr. Chairman, as the question is framed, the Chairman of the Hawker Management Select Committee is justified in avoiding the second part because it commences with the words “If so.” I would now like to cut the words "If so" and ask that this question be answered. When is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there?

MR. LOBO: I think it is answered in my reply, "as and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control”.

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MR. BERNACCHI: Mr. Chairman, take Ngau Tau Kok hawker bazaar for instance, a number of hawkers have been waiting to go into the bazaar since well over a year, but they have not been allowed to go into the bazaar because of the lack of proper control. Now, surely that can be remedied either by your Department, the Urban Services Department, or even by the Police?

CHAIRMAN: I think it is a question of priorities, Mr. BERNACCHI. The Resettlement Management Select Committee has studied the various lists of hawker black spots round about the urban areas, and they are in fact now preparing various plans for various operations to take place. Ngau Tau Kok will no doubt be considered along with all the others.

MR. BERNACCHI: It is not a question of considering hawker black spots. Ngau Tau Kok estate is a new estate, it has a bazaar that hawkers are waiting to go into. Now, why cannot arrangements be made to permit the hawkers wanting to go into it, to go into it, full stop.

CHAIRMAN: I am not quite clear on this, Mr. BERNACCHI, because this was not contained in your original question, but as Mr. LOBO said it is a question of control. We have shuffled many hawkers into bazaars and without control they just take off and hawk from where they like.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, is it not really because we are short of liaison staff which could co-ordinate the activities of the Resettlement Department, the City District Offices, the Police and other Government Departments, and you are doing your utmost to have such staff recruited as early as possible?

CHAIRMAN: I am trying to get the necessary staff.

MR. BERNACCHI: I would like to ask, through you Mr. Chairman, the Commissioner for Resettlement the same question. Why is it not possible for his staff to arrange at least for the hawker bazaars in resettlement areas that are popular, to be occupied.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I am in the same difficulty as you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know the background to this. As far as I am aware, there is no objection to hawkers going into bazaars where they want to. But I would need to know more about it before I can be more specific. Certainly the Resettlement Department is giving what assistance it can in this matter, and, subject to any instructions or guidance from the Urban Services Department staff.

MR. P. C. K. CHAN: Mr. Chairman, may this question be referred to the Resettlement Management Committee and, if necessary, invite a member of your Department to attend and work out some solution?

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Page 47 of 237 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL (10) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question: I see that an article has appeared in the press that roof-top school heads of resettlement estates are urging the Government to help financially. Has the Council been consulted in this matter? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows: A paper on the policy with regard to roof-top schools in the resettlement estates was put before the Resettlement Policy and the Resettlement Management Select Committees at a joint meeting on 29th May. Representatives of the Education Department were present at the meeting and the views of the Members of the Committee are being forwarded to the Director. (11) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question: Is there a waiting list for persons for hawker bazaars sited within or in the vicinity of resettlement estates? If so, when is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there? MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows: Sites for hawker bazaars are provided in the layout of all resettlement estates. However, in the absence of effective control, hawkers usually tend to operate from sites of their own choice rather than in the areas reserved for hawker bazaars. As and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control over them, sites will be allocated to hawkers actually trading in the area. At present, neither the Resettlement Department nor the Urban Services Department keeps waiting lists. MR. BERNACCHI: Mr. Chairman, as the question is framed, the Chairman of the Hawker Management Select Committee is justified in avoiding the second part because it commences with the words “If so.” I would now like to cut the words "If so" and ask that this question be answered. When is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there? MR. LOBO: I think it is answered in my reply, "as and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control”. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. BERNACCHI: Mr. Chairman, take Ngau Tau Kok hawker bazaar for instance, a number of hawkers have been waiting to go into the bazaar since well over a year, but they have not been allowed to go into the bazaar because of the lack of proper control. Now, surely that can be remedied either by your Department, the Urban Services Department, or even by the Police? CHAIRMAN: I think it is a question of priorities, Mr. BERNACCHI. The Resettlement Management Select Committee has studied the various lists of hawker black spots round about the urban areas, and they are in fact now preparing various plans for various operations to take place. Ngau Tau Kok will no doubt be considered along with all the others. MR. BERNACCHI: It is not a question of considering hawker black spots. Ngau Tau Kok estate is a new estate, it has a bazaar that hawkers are waiting to go into. Now, why cannot arrangements be made to permit the hawkers wanting to go into it, to go into it, full stop. CHAIRMAN: I am not quite clear on this, Mr. BERNACCHI, because this was not contained in your original question, but as Mr. LOBO said it is a question of control. We have shuffled many hawkers into bazaars and without control they just take off and hawk from where they like. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, is it not really because we are short of liaison staff which could co-ordinate the activities of the Resettlement Department, the City District Offices, the Police and other Government Departments, and you are doing your utmost to have such staff recruited as early as possible? CHAIRMAN: I am trying to get the necessary staff. MR. BERNACCHI: I would like to ask, through you Mr. Chairman, the Commissioner for Resettlement the same question. Why is it not possible for his staff to arrange at least for the hawker bazaars in resettlement areas that are popular, to be occupied. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I am in the same difficulty as you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know the background to this. As far as I am aware, there is no objection to hawkers going into bazaars where they want to. But I would need to know more about it before I can be more specific. Certainly the Resettlement Department is giving what assistance it can in this matter, and, subject to any instructions or guidance from the Urban Services Department staff. MR. P. C. K. CHAN: Mr. Chairman, may this question be referred to the Resettlement Management Committee and, if necessary, invite a member of your Department to attend and work out some solution? Page 48 of 237

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37 Page 47 of 237 76 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL (10) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question: I see that an article has appeared in the press that roof-top school heads of resettlement estates are urging the Govern- ment to help financially. Has the Council been consulted in this matter? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:- A paper on the policy with regard to roof-top schools in the resettlement estates was put before the Resettlement Policy and the Resettlement Management Select Com- mittees at a joint meeting on 29th May. Representatives of the Education Department were present at the meeting and the views of the Members of the Committee are being forwarded to the Director. (11) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question :· Is there a waiting list for persons for hawker bazaars sited within or in the vicinity of resettlement estates? If so, when is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there? MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows: Sites for hawker bazaars are provided in the layout of all resettlement estates. However, in the absence of effective control, hawkers usually tend to operate from sites of their own choice rather than in the areas reserved for hawker bazaars. As and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control over them, sites will be allocated to hawkers actually trading in the area. At present, neither the Resettlement Department nor the Urban Services Department keeps waiting lists. MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, as the question is framed, the Chairman of the Hawker Management Select Committee is justified in avoiding the second part because it commences with the words “If so.” I would now like to cut the words "If so" and ask that this question be answered. When is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there? MR. LOBO:-I think it is answered in my reply, "as and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control”. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 77 MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, take Ngau Tau Kok hawker bazaar for instance, a number of hawkers have been waiting to go into the bazaar since well over a year, but they have not been allowed to go into the bazaar because of the lack of proper control. Now, surely that can be remedied either by your Department, the Urban Services Department, or even by the Police? CHAIRMAN:-I think it is a question of priorities, Mr. BERNACCHI. The Resettlement Management Select Committee has studied the various lists of hawker black spots round about the urban areas, and they are in fact now preparing various plans for various operations to take place. Ngau Tau Kok will no doubt be considered along with all the others. MR. BERNACCHI : -It is not a question of considering hawker black spots. Ngau Tau Kok estate is a new estate, it has a bazaar that hawkers are waiting to go into. Now, why cannot arrangements be made to permit the hawkers wanting to go into it, to go into it, full stop. CHAIRMAN:-I am not quite clear on this, Mr. BERNACCHI, because this was not contained in your original question, but as Mr. LOBO said it is a question of control. We have shuffled many hawkers into bazaars and without control they just take off and hawk from where they like. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, is it not really because we are short of liaison staff which could co-ordinate the activities of the Resettlement Department, the City District Offices, the Police and other Government Departments, and you are doing your utmost to have such staff recruited as early as possible? CHAIRMAN: -I am trying to get the necessary staff. MR. BERNACCHI :-I would like to ask, through you Mr. Chairman, the Commissioner for Resettlement the same question. Why is it not possible for his staff to arrange at least for the hawker bazaars in resettlement areas that are popular, to be occupied. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am in the same difficulty as you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know the background to this. As far as I am aware, there is no objection to hawkers going into bazaars where they want to. But I would need to know more about it before I can be more specific. Certainly the Resettlement Department is giving what assistance it can in this matter, and, subject to any instructions or guidance from the Urban Services Department staff. MR. P. C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may this question be referred to the Resettlement Management Committee and, if necessary, invite a member of your Department to attend and work out some solution? 1

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

(10) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question:

I see that an article has appeared in the press that roof-top school heads of resettlement estates are urging the Govern- ment to help financially.

Has the Council been consulted in this matter?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:-

A paper on the policy with regard to roof-top schools in the resettlement estates was put before the Resettlement Policy and the Resettlement Management Select Com- mittees at a joint meeting on 29th May. Representatives of the Education Department were present at the meeting and the views of the Members of the Committee are being forwarded to the Director.

(11) MR. B. A. BERNACCHI asked the following question :·

Is there a waiting list for persons for hawker bazaars sited

within or in the vicinity of resettlement estates?

If so, when is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established

and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there?

MR. R. H. LOBO, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER MANAGEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:

MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, as the question is framed, the Chairman of the Hawker Management Select Committee is justified in avoiding the second part because it commences with the words “If so.” I would now like to cut the words "If so" and ask that this question be answered. When is it proposed that hawker bazaars be established and/or the hawkers be permitted to go there?

MR. LOBO:-I think it is answered in my reply, "as and when it is possible to organize bazaars and to exercise proper control”.

HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, take Ngau Tau Kok hawker bazaar for instance, a number of hawkers have been waiting to go into the bazaar since well over a year, but they have not been allowed to go into the bazaar because of the lack of proper control. Now, surely that can be remedied either by your Department, the Urban Services Department, or even by the Police?

CHAIRMAN:-I think it is a question of priorities, Mr. BERNACCHI. The Resettlement Management Select Committee has studied the various lists of hawker black spots round about the urban areas, and they are in fact now preparing various plans for various operations to take place. Ngau Tau Kok will no doubt be considered along with all the others.

MR. BERNACCHI : -It is not a question of considering hawker black spots. Ngau Tau Kok estate is a new estate, it has a bazaar that hawkers are waiting to go into. Now, why cannot arrangements be made to permit the hawkers wanting to go into it, to go into it, full stop.

CHAIRMAN:-I am not quite clear on this, Mr. BERNACCHI, because this was not contained in your original question, but as Mr. LOBO said it is a question of control. We have shuffled many hawkers into bazaars and without control they just take off and hawk from where they like.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, is it not really because we are short of liaison staff which could co-ordinate the activities of the Resettlement Department, the City District Offices, the Police and other Government Departments, and you are doing your utmost to have such staff recruited as early as possible?

CHAIRMAN: -I am trying to get the necessary staff.

MR. BERNACCHI :-I would like to ask, through you Mr. Chairman, the Commissioner for Resettlement the same question. Why is it not possible for his staff to arrange at least for the hawker bazaars in resettlement areas that are popular, to be occupied.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am in the same difficulty as you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know the background to this. As far as I am aware, there is no objection to hawkers going into bazaars where they want to. But I would need to know more about it before I can be more specific. Certainly the Resettlement Department is giving what assistance it can in this matter, and, subject to any instructions or guidance from the Urban Services Department staff.

MR. P. C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may this question be referred to the Resettlement Management Committee and, if necessary, invite a member of your Department to attend and work out some solution?

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