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CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a question?

MR. C. K. CHAN:-Yes, am I correct in saying that the amount expended on the Ward System is negligible?

CHAIRMAN:-No one has said so, Mr. CHAN, because we have not any estimate of the cost at all. When you consider many of the indirect charges, I do not know whether they would be considerable or not, because in some cases my time is involved, the Secretary's time is involved and this might all well add up. In fact, with regard to stenographic assistance which Councillors have had to date, this has only come to less than $4,000, but this is because not all Councillors use the facilities which are provided.

MR. BERNACCHI:-I would at this stage like to make a personal statement dealing really with your comment that not all the Ward Councillors use the facilities provided. I, in particular, do not use the facilities of the clerical staff, because I am most grateful to the various members of the Resettlement Department who volunteer to help me in the Ward, and I publicly acknowledge that indebtedness.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I would like to reiterate what Mr. BERNACCHI has said that we are grateful to the Resettlement staff who give five hours a night and even more, but could you tell me who is supposed to provide refreshments for those staff who work for five hours at a time?

MR. C. K. CHAN:-I wish to join Mr. BERNACCHI and Mrs. ELLIOTT to express my gratitude to the staff of the Resettlement Department who help me out every Monday.

CHAIRMAN:-I assume that the Councillors would probably be kind enough to give their staff something in the way of refreshments, and I would like to think that when the question of allowances are sorted out this will be taken care of.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Well, we could look after them better if we had an allowance.

(10) In the absence of MR. HENRY H. L. Hu, MR. Woo PO-SHING asked the following question:-

Could the Chairman please inform the Council when the ex-gratia compensation could be paid to the chickens or ducks breeders? What is the present rate for ex-gratia compensation for fishing ponds and the cultivation lands?

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THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:

Proposals for the compensation of chicken and duck breeders are under consideration by the Government and it is hoped that a decision will be reached shortly. Cultivators are paid ex-gratia compensation for the crops on the site; they are paid a disturbance allowance at the rate of 10 cents a square foot for land cultivated since before 1954 and 60 cents a square foot for land cultivated since before 1941; and whereas they were formerly allocated a shop they are now paid at a flat rate of $500 in lieu, provided that the area of cultivation in any one clearance is more than 3,000 square feet.

Compensation for fish ponds is assessed individually in each case by experts from the Agriculture and Fisheries Department. A more detailed paper on this subject is being prepared for the Resettlement Policy Select Committee.

MOTION.

MR. SOLOMON RAFEEK, CHAIRMAN OF THE CEMETERIES, CREMATORIA AND FUNERAL PARLOURS SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion:

RESOLVED under By-law 10(1) of the Public Cemeteries By-laws, that the Director of Urban Services be empowered to exhume and remove the human remains of persons from the graves specified in the following public cemeteries and to dispose of the same by burial, cremation or otherwise as the Director may think fit.

He said:

Cemetery (1) Wo Hop Shek Cemetery, Fanling, New Territories. (2) Sandy Ridge Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories. (3) Sandy Ridge (Urn) Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories.

Sections Year of Burial

All graves in Sections A and B and including those in private lots. (a) Section T. (b) Roman Catholic Private Lot.

1963 1963 1963

All graves in the Government Urn Section. 1967

Mr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Cemeteries, Crematoria and Funeral Parlours Select Committee, I rise to move the motion standing in my name.

The purpose of the motion is to empower the Director of Urban Services to carry out a routine exhumation programme for 1970 in order to provide space for future burials in the cemeteries concerned.

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Hana 237 Page 140 of 237 258 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a question? MR. C. K. CHAN:-Yes, am I correct in saying that the amount expended on the Ward System is negligible? CHAIRMAN:-No one has said so, Mr. CHAN, because we have not any estimate of the cost at all. When you consider many of the indirect charges, I do not know whether they would be considerable or not, because in some cases my time is involved, the Secretary's time is involved and this might all well add up. In fact, with regard to stenographic assistance which Councillors have had to date, this has only come to less than $4,000, but this is because not all Councillors use the facilities which are provided. MR. BERNACCHI:-I would at this stage like to make a personal statement dealing really with your comment that not all the Ward Councillors use the facilities provided. I, in particular, do not use the facilities of the clerical staff, because I am most grateful to the various members of the Resettlement Department who volunteer to help me in the Ward, and I publicly acknowledge that indebtedness. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I would like to reiterate what Mr. BERNACCHI has said that we are grateful to the Resettlement staff who give five hours a night and even more, but could you tell me who is supposed to provide refreshments for those staff who work for five hours at a time? MR. C. K. CHAN:-I wish to join Mr. BERNACCHI and Mrs. ELLIOTT to express my gratitude to the staff of the Resettlement Department who help me out every Monday. CHAIRMAN:-I assume that the Councillors would probably be kind enough to give their staff something in the way of refreshments, and I would like to think that when the question of allowances are sorted out this will be taken care of. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Well, we could look after them better if we had an allowance. (10) In the absence of MR. HENRY H. L. Hu, MR. Woo PO-SHING asked the following question:- Could the Chairman please inform the Council when the ex-gratia compensation could be paid to the chickens or ducks breeders? What is the present rate for ex-gratia compensation for fishing ponds and the cultivation lands? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 259 THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows: Proposals for the compensation of chicken and duck breeders are under consideration by the Government and it is hoped that a decision will be reached shortly. Cultivators are paid ex-gratia compensation for the crops on the site; they are paid a disturbance allowance at the rate of 10 cents a square foot for land cultivated since before 1954 and 60 cents a square foot for land cultivated since before 1941; and whereas they were formerly allocated a shop they are now paid at a flat rate of $500 in lieu, provided that the area of cultivation in any one clearance is more than 3,000 square feet. Compensation for fish ponds is assessed individually in each case by experts from the Agriculture and Fisheries Department. A more detailed paper on this subject is being prepared for the Resettlement Policy Select Committee. MOTION. MR. SOLOMON RAFEEK, CHAIRMAN OF THE CEMETERIES, CREMATORIA AND FUNERAL PARLOURS SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion: RESOLVED under By-law 10(1) of the Public Cemeteries By-laws, that the Director of Urban Services be empowered to exhume and remove the human remains of persons from the graves specified in the following public cemeteries and to dispose of the same by burial, cremation or otherwise as the Director may think fit. He said: Cemetery (1) Wo Hop Shek Cemetery, Fanling, New Territories. (2) Sandy Ridge Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories. (3) Sandy Ridge (Urn) Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories. Sections Year of Burial All graves in Sections A and B and including those in private lots. (a) Section T. (b) Roman Catholic Private Lot. 1963 1963 1963 All graves in the Government Urn Section. 1967 Mr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Cemeteries, Crematoria and Funeral Parlours Select Committee, I rise to move the motion standing in my name. The purpose of the motion is to empower the Director of Urban Services to carry out a routine exhumation programme for 1970 in order to provide space for future burials in the cemeteries concerned. Page 140 Page 141

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Hana 237 Page 140 of 237 258 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a question? MR. C. K. CHAN:-Yes, am I correct in saying that the amount expended on the Ward System is negligible? CHAIRMAN: -No one has said so, Mr. CHAN, because we have not any estimate of the cost at all. When you consider many of the indirect charges, I do not know whether they would be considerable or not, because in some cases my time is involved, the Secretary's time is involved and this might all well add up. In fact, with regard to stenographic assistance which Councillors have had to date, this has only come to less than $4,000, but this is because not all Councillors use the facilities which are provided. MR. BERNACCHI:-I would at this stage like to make a personal statement dealing really with your comment that not all the Ward Councillors use the facilities provided. I, in particular, do not use the facilities of the clerical staff, because I am most grateful to the various members of the Resettlement Department who volunteer to help me in the Ward, and I publicly acknowledge that indebtedness. MRS. ELLIOTT : -Mr. Chairman, I would like to reiterate what Mr. BERNACCHI has said that we are grateful to the Resettlement staff who give five hours a night and even more, but could you tell me who is supposed to provide refreshments for those staff who work for five hours at a time? MR. C. K. CHAN:--I wish to join Mr. BERNACCHI and Mrs. ELLIOTT to express my gratitude to the staff of the Resettlement Department who help me out every Monday. CHAIRMAN:--I assume that the Councillors would probably be kind enough to give their staff something in the way of refreshments, and I would like to think that when the question of allowances are sorted out this will be taken care of. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Well, we could look after them better if we had an allowance. (10) In the absence of MR. HENRY H. L. Hu, MR. Woo PO-SHING asked the following question:- Could the Chairman please inform the Council when the ex-gratia compensation could be paid to the chickens or ducks breeders? What is the present rate for ex-gratia compensation for fishing ponds and the cultivation lands? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 259 THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows: Proposals for the compensation of chicken and duck breeders are under consideration by the Government and it is hoped that a decision will be reached shortly. Cultivators are paid ex-gratia compensation for the crops on the site; they are paid a disturbance allowance at the rate of 10 cents a square foot for land cultivated since before 1954 and 60 cents a square foot for land cultivated since before 1941; and whereas they were formerly allocated a shop they are now paid at a flat rate of $500 in lieu, provided that the area of cultivation in any one clearance is more than 3,000 square feet. Compensation for fish ponds is assessed individually in each case by experts from the Agriculture and Fisheries Department. A more detailed paper on this subject is being prepared for the Resettlement Policy Select Com- mittee. MOTION. MR. SOLOMON RAFEEK, CHAIRMAN OF THE CEMETERIES, CREMATORIA AND FUNERAL PARLOURS SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion: - RESOLVED under By-law 10(1) of the Public Cemeteries By-laws, that the Director of Urban Services be em- powered to exhume and remove the human remains of persons from the graves specified in the following public cemeteries and to dispose of the same by burial, cremation or otherwise as the Director may think fit. He said: Cemetery (1) Wo Hop Shek Cemetery, Fanling, New Territories. (2) Sandy Ridge Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories. (3) Sandy Ridge (Urn) Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories. Sections Year of Burial All graves in Sections A and B and including those in private lots. (a) Section T. (b) Roman Catholic Private Lot. 1963 1963 1963 All graves in the Government Urn 1967 Section. Mr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Cemeteries, Crematoria and Funeral Parlours Select Committee, I rise to move the motion standing in my name. The purpose of the motion is to empower the Director of Urban Services to carry out a routine exhumation programme for 1970 in order to provide space for future burials in the cemeteries concerned. Page 140Page 141

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CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a question?

MR. C. K. CHAN:-Yes, am I correct in saying that the amount expended on the Ward System is negligible?

CHAIRMAN: -No one has said so, Mr. CHAN, because we have not any estimate of the cost at all. When you consider many of the indirect charges, I do not know whether they would be considerable or not, because in some cases my time is involved, the Secretary's time is involved and this might all well add up. In fact, with regard to stenographic assistance which Councillors have had to date, this has only come to less than $4,000, but this is because not all Councillors use the facilities which are provided.

MRS. ELLIOTT : -Mr. Chairman, I would like to reiterate what Mr. BERNACCHI has said that we are grateful to the Resettlement staff who give five hours a night and even more, but could you tell me who is supposed to provide refreshments for those staff who work for five hours at a time?

MR. C. K. CHAN:--I wish to join Mr. BERNACCHI and Mrs. ELLIOTT to express my gratitude to the staff of the Resettlement Department who help me out every Monday.

CHAIRMAN:--I assume that the Councillors would probably be kind enough to give their staff something in the way of refreshments, and I would like to think that when the question of allowances are sorted out this will be taken care of.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Well, we could look after them better if we had an allowance.

(10) In the absence of MR. HENRY H. L. Hu, MR. Woo PO-SHING asked the following question:-

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THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:

MOTION.

MR. SOLOMON RAFEEK, CHAIRMAN OF THE CEMETERIES, CREMATORIA AND FUNERAL PARLOURS SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion:

RESOLVED under By-law 10(1) of the Public Cemeteries By-laws, that the Director of Urban Services be em- powered to exhume and remove the human remains of persons from the graves specified in the following public cemeteries and to dispose of the same by burial, cremation or otherwise as the Director may think fit.

He said:

Cemetery

(1) Wo Hop Shek

Cemetery, Fanling, New Territories. (2) Sandy Ridge

Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories.

(3) Sandy Ridge (Urn) Cemetery, Lo Wu, New Territories.

Sections

Year of Burial

All graves in Sections A and B and including those in private lots. (a) Section T. (b) Roman Catholic

Private Lot.

1963

All graves in the Government Urn

1967

Section.

Mr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Cemeteries, Crematoria and Funeral Parlours Select Committee, I rise to move the motion standing in my name.

The purpose of the motion is to empower the Director of Urban Services to carry out a routine exhumation programme for 1970 in order to provide space for future burials in the cemeteries concerned.

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