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The Department derives authority for restricting the public within this area from By-law 29 of the Pleasure Grounds By-laws which prohibits unauthorized persons from going on or across the grass within the Cenotaph site. It also prohibits loitering in the area and denies the public the right to sit or lie down on the steps of the Cenotaph or upon any kerb in or surrounding the Cenotaph site.

I am advised, Mr. Chairman, however that the law contains no provision which would prevent the public from approaching the Cenotaph or from walking on the paved area surrounding it. The Department assures me that fresh instructions have been issued to its staff which will clarify the position and at the same time ensure that the dignity of this memorial to the dead is preserved.

(3) MR. R. H. LOBO asked the following question:

As I have noticed that the roofs of several of the tram stops in the Central area are littered with all sorts of rubbish, may I know who is responsible for cleaning them and what kind of supervision, if any, exists to ensure that these places are kept clean?

THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:

This question concerns the cleansing of the tops of shelters provided for persons waiting for trams.

The tops of these shelters are specially designed so that they would normally be kept clean by the action of wind and rain alone. However, this does not always suffice and, since August last year, one lorry and two Labourers have been engaged on cleaning the tops of the shelters once a week—every Friday morning before the trams start running. I was under the impression that since then the shelters were much cleaner, but if Mr. LOBO has seen any which are not clean I would be grateful if he would let me know about them.

MR. BERNACCHI: A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. I do not think that you have quite answered the question. Who is responsible for cleaning the shelters? You say that Urban Services' labourers are engaged on cleaning them. Is it correct to say that the Urban Council is responsible, or is the Tramway Company responsible?

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CHAIRMAN: It is my understanding that these are built by Government, and paid for by the Tramways. They are Government property and they would normally be cleaned as we clean other parts of public streets.

(4) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:

I have received many complaints from members of the public about the fouling of pavements by dogs. Would it be possible for the City District Officers to assist in this matter by informing dog owners in their districts of the nuisance this causes, and seeking their co-operation in keeping their dogs under better control?

THE SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS replied as follows:

This question concerns the fouling of pavements by dogs. I have drawn the attention of the City District Officers to the complaints which the member has received.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Does the Secretary for Chinese Affairs expect that they will take action?

SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS: Yes, Sir, the answer is not intended to be unhelpful. (Laughter). I would like to explain that when a general complaint of this kind is received, our normal practice is to inform all the City District Officers of its nature in the hope that they will examine it in the context of their own particular district, the relative seriousness of the matter and perhaps the different ways in which it might be dealt with having regard to those local circumstances. This is what I hope will now happen and this is what I have requested the officers concerned to do.

I should add, Sir, that if it is the wish of this Council to address a general request to all owners of registered dogs, I think, perhaps, the most practical way of doing it would be to make that request to the Licensing Authority in which event perhaps some message could be passed out on renewal of licences or even as a special exercise should the urgency and seriousness of the matter make this necessary.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Perhaps, Mr. Chairman, you might be prepared to look into that, even though there is the possibility that there are more unlicensed dog owners than licensed dog owners as is the case with hawkers?

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243 376 # HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL The Department derives authority for restricting the public within this area from By-law 29 of the Pleasure Grounds By-laws which prohibits unauthorized persons from going on or across the grass within the Cenotaph site. It also prohibits loitering in the area and denies the public the right to sit or lie down on the steps of the Cenotaph or upon any kerb in or surrounding the Cenotaph site. I am advised, Mr. Chairman, however that the law contains no provision which would prevent the public from approaching the Cenotaph or from walking on the paved area surrounding it. The Department assures me that fresh instructions have been issued to its staff which will clarify the position and at the same time ensure that the dignity of this memorial to the dead is preserved. (3) MR. R. H. LOBO asked the following question: As I have noticed that the roofs of several of the tram stops in the Central area are littered with all sorts of rubbish, may I know who is responsible for cleaning them and what kind of supervision, if any, exists to ensure that these places are kept clean? THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows: This question concerns the cleansing of the tops of shelters provided for persons waiting for trams. The tops of these shelters are specially designed so that they would normally be kept clean by the action of wind and rain alone. However, this does not always suffice and, since August last year, one lorry and two Labourers have been engaged on cleaning the tops of the shelters once a week—every Friday morning before the trams start running. I was under the impression that since then the shelters were much cleaner, but if Mr. LOBO has seen any which are not clean I would be grateful if he would let me know about them. MR. BERNACCHI: A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. I do not think that you have quite answered the question. Who is responsible for cleaning the shelters? You say that Urban Services' labourers are engaged on cleaning them. Is it correct to say that the Urban Council is responsible, or is the Tramway Company responsible? # HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 377 CHAIRMAN: It is my understanding that these are built by Government, and paid for by the Tramways. They are Government property and they would normally be cleaned as we clean other parts of public streets. (4) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question: I have received many complaints from members of the public about the fouling of pavements by dogs. Would it be possible for the City District Officers to assist in this matter by informing dog owners in their districts of the nuisance this causes, and seeking their co-operation in keeping their dogs under better control? THE SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS replied as follows: This question concerns the fouling of pavements by dogs. I have drawn the attention of the City District Officers to the complaints which the member has received. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Does the Secretary for Chinese Affairs expect that they will take action? SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS: Yes, Sir, the answer is not intended to be unhelpful. (Laughter). I would like to explain that when a general complaint of this kind is received, our normal practice is to inform all the City District Officers of its nature in the hope that they will examine it in the context of their own particular district, the relative seriousness of the matter and perhaps the different ways in which it might be dealt with having regard to those local circumstances. This is what I hope will now happen and this is what I have requested the officers concerned to do. I should add, Sir, that if it is the wish of this Council to address a general request to all owners of registered dogs, I think, perhaps, the most practical way of doing it would be to make that request to the Licensing Authority in which event perhaps some message could be passed out on renewal of licences or even as a special exercise should the urgency and seriousness of the matter make this necessary. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Perhaps, Mr. Chairman, you might be prepared to look into that, even though there is the possibility that there are more unlicensed dog owners than licensed dog owners as is the case with hawkers? Page 233 of 243 376 243

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243 376 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL The Department derives authority for restricting the public within this area from By-law 29 of the Pleasure Grounds By-laws which prohibits unauthorized persons from going on or across the grass within the Cenotaph site. It also prohibits loitering in the area and denies the public the right to sit or lie down on the steps of the Cenotaph or upon any kerb in or surrounding the Cenotaph site. I am advised, Mr. Chairman, however that the law contains no provision which would prevent the public from approaching the Cenotaph or from walking on the paved area surrounding it. The Department assures me that fresh instructions have been issued to its staff which will clarify the position and at the same time ensure that the dignity of this memorial to the dead is preserved. (3) MR. R. H. LOBO asked the following question:· As I have noticed that the roofs of several of the tram stops in the Central area are littered with all sorts of rubbish, may I know who is responsible for cleaning them and what kind of supervision, if any, exists to ensure that these places are kept clean? THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:- ...... This question concerns the cleansing of the tops of shelters provided for persons waiting for trams. The tops of these shelters are specially designed so that they would normally be kept clean by the action of wind and rain alone. However, this does not always suffice and, since August last year, one lorry and two Labourers have been engaged on cleaning the tops of the shelters once a week-every Friday morning before the trams start run- ning. I was under the impression that since then the shelters were much cleaner, but if Mr. LOBO has seen any which are not clean I would be grateful if he would let me know about them. MR. BERNACCHI:-A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. I do not think that you have quite answered the question. Who is responsible for cleaning the shelters? You say that Urban Services' labourers are engaged on cleaning them. Is it correct to say that the Urban Council is responsible, or is the Tramway Company responsible? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 3777 CHAIRMAN: It is my understanding that these are built by Govern- ment, and paid for by the Tramways. They are Government property and they would normally be cleaned as we clean other parts of public streets. (4) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:- I have received many complaints from members of the public about the fouling of pavements by dogs. Would it be possible for the City District Officers to assist in this matter by informing dog owners in their districts of the nuisance this causes, and seeking their co-operation in keeping their dogs under better control? THE SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS replied as follows:- This question concerns the fouling of pavements by dogs. I have drawn the attention of the City District Officers to the complaints which the member has received. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Does the Secretary for Chinese Affairs expect that they will take action? SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS: -Yes, Sir, the answer is not intended to be unhelpful. (Laughter). I would like to explain that when a general complaint of this kind is received, our normal practice is to inform all the City District Officers of its nature in the hope that they will examine it in the context of their own particular district, the relative seriousness of the matter and perhaps the different ways in which it might be dealt with having regard to those local circumstances. This is what I hope will now happen and this is what I have requested the officers concerned to do. I should add, Sir, that if it is the wish of this Council to address a general request to all owners of registered dogs, I think, perhaps, the most practical way of doing it would be to make that request to the Licensing Authority in which event perhaps some message could be passed out on renewal of licences or even as a special exercise should the urgency and seriousness of the matter make this necessary. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Perhaps, Mr. Chairman, you might be pre- pared to look into that, even though there is the possibility that there are more unlicensed dog owners than licensed dog owners as is the case with hawkers? Page 233 of 243

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(3) MR. R. H. LOBO asked the following question:·

THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:-

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This question concerns the cleansing of the tops of shelters

provided for persons waiting for trams.

The tops of these shelters are specially designed so that they would normally be kept clean by the action of wind and rain alone. However, this does not always suffice and, since August last year, one lorry and two Labourers have been engaged on cleaning the tops of the shelters once a week-every Friday morning before the trams start run- ning. I was under the impression that since then the shelters were much cleaner, but if Mr. LOBO has seen any which are not clean I would be grateful if he would let me know about them.

MR. BERNACCHI:-A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. I do not think that you have quite answered the question. Who is responsible for cleaning the shelters? You say that Urban Services' labourers are engaged on cleaning them. Is it correct to say that the Urban Council is responsible, or is the Tramway Company responsible?

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CHAIRMAN: It is my understanding that these are built by Govern- ment, and paid for by the Tramways. They are Government property and they would normally be cleaned as we clean other parts of public

streets.

(4) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-

THE SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS replied as follows:-

This question concerns the fouling of pavements by dogs. I have drawn the attention of the City District Officers to the complaints which the member has received.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Does the Secretary for Chinese Affairs expect that they will take action?

SECRETARY FOR CHINESE AFFAIRS: -Yes, Sir, the answer is not intended to be unhelpful. (Laughter). I would like to explain that when a general complaint of this kind is received, our normal practice is to inform all the City District Officers of its nature in the hope that they will examine it in the context of their own particular district, the relative seriousness of the matter and perhaps the different ways in which it might be dealt with having regard to those local circumstances. This is what I hope will now happen and this is what I have requested the officers concerned to do.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Perhaps, Mr. Chairman, you might be pre- pared to look into that, even though there is the possibility that there are more unlicensed dog owners than licensed dog owners as is the case with hawkers?

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