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THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, the 160,000 lbs. of food found to be unfit for human consumption was not as a result of chemical sampling, but of surveys by the food inspectors.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, how dangerous to public health will it be if these tests stop for the next four weeks?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make it clear that the restrictions are on routine and random sampling only. Whenever there is any question of any danger or any suspicion, these tests will be carried out. The restriction only applies to routine and random sampling.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, is it not the purpose of this routine and random sampling to discover suspicious cases which might affect public health?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, it assists in this.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Then, Mr. Chairman, could the Deputy Director of Medical and Health Services follow up the suggestion which has been made by Dr. BELL to see if any substitute or alternative arrangements can be made for the next three or four weeks?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: I will consider this.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, could I ask one further supplementary question? Has the Food and Food Premises Select Committee been informed about this? Did they know about this? As a member of the Council, I was unaware of this position until I read it in the newspaper.

CHAIRMAN: As far as I am aware, Dr. BELL, this has not been specifically put to the Select Committee concerned.

DR. BELL: Could the whole matter please be referred urgently to the Select Committee concerned?

CHAIRMAN: This would only be for information purposes, Dr. BELL. The Government Chemist does not come under this Council.

DR. BELL: Yes, but surely the sampling of foodstuffs is of urgent concern to the Food and Food Premises Committee?

CHAIRMAN: This is true.

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MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, all this is very charming and most interesting (laughter), but would you please clarify the position for me? Am I to understand that Standing Orders have been changed since I last attended a Council meeting in September?

CHAIRMAN: Not as far as I am aware, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Am I then to understand that it is free question time now at the end of the meeting, before the motion, so that the Appointed Members similarly might put free questions to you and make statements and speeches at random?

CHAIRMAN: No, Mr. SALES, this question was considered as urgent, and I granted it under the relevant Standing Order.

MR. SALES: My understanding is that it has always been a discretion exercised by the Chairman up to ten o'clock on the day of the Council meeting.

CHAIRMAN: "If possible", Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: If possible, but that has reference to the notice being in writing, and I have availed myself of that in the past.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, could I clarify it for you? I do not think anybody could have been aware of this at ten o'clock this morning. It was impossible to have procured a copy of this newspaper at ten o'clock this morning, and so I could not give notice of the question.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, even if that were the case, surely this matter should have been first referred to the Select Committee concerned. However, this is only academic, but I wanted to clarify this on a matter of principle so that the same discretion would be exercised by you in other matters concerning the work of the Urban Council which might appear in newspapers on the day of our meetings. Would you please clarify that categorically?

CHAIRMAN: It depends entirely on the urgency of the matter, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Could we have this matter referred to the relevant Select Committee, chaired by Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, for a categorical reply since you are unable to give it?

CHAIRMAN: Certainly, Mr. SALES.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, Mr. SALES is on that Committee, he could always refer it.

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Page 135 of 246 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, the 160,000 lbs. of food found to be unfit for human consumption was not as a result of chemical sampling, but of surveys by the food inspectors. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, how dangerous to public health will it be if these tests stop for the next four weeks? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make it clear that the restrictions are on routine and random sampling only. Whenever there is any question of any danger or any suspicion, these tests will be carried out. The restriction only applies to routine and random sampling. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, is it not the purpose of this routine and random sampling to discover suspicious cases which might affect public health? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, it assists in this. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Then, Mr. Chairman, could the Deputy Director of Medical and Health Services follow up the suggestion which has been made by Dr. BELL to see if any substitute or alternative arrangements can be made for the next three or four weeks? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: I will consider this. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, could I ask one further supplementary question? Has the Food and Food Premises Select Committee been informed about this? Did they know about this? As a member of the Council, I was unaware of this position until I read it in the newspaper. CHAIRMAN: As far as I am aware, Dr. BELL, this has not been specifically put to the Select Committee concerned. DR. BELL: Could the whole matter please be referred urgently to the Select Committee concerned? CHAIRMAN: This would only be for information purposes, Dr. BELL. The Government Chemist does not come under this Council. DR. BELL: Yes, but surely the sampling of foodstuffs is of urgent concern to the Food and Food Premises Committee? CHAIRMAN: This is true. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 247 MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, all this is very charming and most interesting (laughter), but would you please clarify the position for me? Am I to understand that Standing Orders have been changed since I last attended a Council meeting in September? CHAIRMAN: Not as far as I am aware, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Am I then to understand that it is free question time now at the end of the meeting, before the motion, so that the Appointed Members similarly might put free questions to you and make statements and speeches at random? CHAIRMAN: No, Mr. SALES, this question was considered as urgent, and I granted it under the relevant Standing Order. MR. SALES: My understanding is that it has always been a discretion exercised by the Chairman up to ten o'clock on the day of the Council meeting. CHAIRMAN: "If possible", Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: If possible, but that has reference to the notice being in writing, and I have availed myself of that in the past. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, could I clarify it for you? I do not think anybody could have been aware of this at ten o'clock this morning. It was impossible to have procured a copy of this newspaper at ten o'clock this morning, and so I could not give notice of the question. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, even if that were the case, surely this matter should have been first referred to the Select Committee concerned. However, this is only academic, but I wanted to clarify this on a matter of principle so that the same discretion would be exercised by you in other matters concerning the work of the Urban Council which might appear in newspapers on the day of our meetings. Would you please clarify that categorically? CHAIRMAN: It depends entirely on the urgency of the matter, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Could we have this matter referred to the relevant Select Committee, chaired by Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, for a categorical reply since you are unable to give it? CHAIRMAN: Certainly, Mr. SALES. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, Mr. SALES is on that Committee, he could always refer it. Page 135 of 243 Page 135 Page 136

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Page 135 of 246 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, the 160,000 lbs. of food found to be unfit for human consumption was not as a result of chemical sampling, but of surveys by the food inspectors. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, how dangerous to public health will it be if these tests stop for the next four weeks? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:- Mr. Chairman, I would like to make it clear that the restrictions are on routine and random sampling only. Whenever there is any question The of any danger or any suspicion, these tests will be carried out. restriction only applies to routine and random sampling. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -Mr. Chairman, is it not the purpose of this routine and random sampling to discover suspicious cases which might affect public health? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, it assists in this. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Then, Mr. Chairman, could the Deputy Director of Medical and Health Services follow up the suggestion which has been made by Dr. BELL to see if any substitute or alternative arrangements can be made for the next three or four weeks? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: I will consider this. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, could I ask one further supplementary question? Has the Food and Food Premises Select Committee been informed about this? Did they know about this? As a member of the Council, I was unaware of this position until I read it in the newspaper. CHAIRMAN:-As far as I am aware, Dr. BELL, this has not been specifically put to the Select Committee concerned. DR. BELL:-Could the whole matter please be referred urgently to the Select Committee concerned? CHAIRMAN:-This would only be for information purposes, Dr. BELL. The Government Chemist does not come under this Council. DR. BELL:-Yes, but surely the sampling of foodstuffs is of urgent concern to the Food and Food Premises Committee? CHAIRMAN:-This is true. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 247 MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, all this is very charming and most interesting (laughter), but would you please clarify the position for me? Am I to understand that Standing Orders have been changed since I last attended a Council meeting in September? CHAIRMAN: Not as far as I am aware, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES-Am I then to understand that it is free question time now at the end of the meeting, before the motion, so that the Appointed Members similarly might put free questions to you and make statements and speeches at random? CHAIRMAN: ---No, Mr. SALES, this question was considered as urgent, and I granted it under the relevant Standing Order. MR. SALES: My understanding is that it has always been a dis- cretion exercised by the Chairman up to ten o'clock on the day of the Council meeting. CHAIRMAN: "If possible", Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: If possible, but that has reference to the notice being in writing, and I have availed myself of that in the past. DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, could I clarify it for you? I do not think anybody could have been aware of this at ten o'clock this morning. It was impossible to have procured a copy of this newspaper at ten o'clock this morning, and so I could not give notice of the question. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, even if that were the case, surely this matter should have been first referred to the Select Committee concerned. However, this is only academic, but I wanted to clarify this on a matter of principle so that the same discretion would be exercised by you in other matters concerning the work of the Urban Council which might appear in newspapers on the day of our meetings. Would you please clarify that categorically? CHAIRMAN:-It depends entirely on the urgency of the matter, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Could we have this matter referred to the relevant Select Committee, chaired by Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, for a categorical reply since you are unable to give it? CHAIRMAN: -Certainly, Mr. SALES. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, Mr. SALES is on that Com- mittee, he could always refer it. Page 135 of 243 Page 135Page 136

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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, how dangerous to public health will it be if these tests stop for the next four weeks?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:- Mr. Chairman, I would like to make it clear that the restrictions are on routine and random sampling only. Whenever there is any question The of any danger or any suspicion, these tests will be carried out. restriction only applies to routine and random sampling.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -Mr. Chairman, is it not the purpose of this routine and random sampling to discover suspicious cases which might affect public health?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: Mr. Chairman, it assists in this.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Then, Mr. Chairman, could the Deputy Director of Medical and Health Services follow up the suggestion which has been made by Dr. BELL to see if any substitute or alternative arrangements can be made for the next three or four weeks?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: I will consider this.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, could I ask one further supplementary question? Has the Food and Food Premises Select Committee been informed about this? Did they know about this? As a member of the Council, I was unaware of this position until I read it in the newspaper.

CHAIRMAN:-As far as I am aware, Dr. BELL, this has not been specifically put to the Select Committee concerned.

DR. BELL:-Could the whole matter please be referred urgently to the Select Committee concerned?

CHAIRMAN:-This would only be for information purposes, Dr. BELL. The Government Chemist does not come under this Council.

DR. BELL:-Yes, but surely the sampling of foodstuffs is of urgent concern to the Food and Food Premises Committee?

CHAIRMAN:-This is true.

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CHAIRMAN: Not as far as I am aware, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES-Am I then to understand that it is free question time now at the end of the meeting, before the motion, so that the Appointed Members similarly might put free questions to you and make statements and speeches at random?

CHAIRMAN: ---No, Mr. SALES, this question was considered as urgent, and I granted it under the relevant Standing Order.

MR. SALES: My understanding is that it has always been a dis- cretion exercised by the Chairman up to ten o'clock on the day of the Council meeting.

CHAIRMAN: "If possible", Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: If possible, but that has reference to the notice being in writing, and I have availed myself of that in the past.

DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, could I clarify it for you? I do not think anybody could have been aware of this at ten o'clock this morning. It was impossible to have procured a copy of this newspaper at ten o'clock this morning, and so I could not give notice of the question.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, even if that were the case, surely this matter should have been first referred to the Select Committee concerned. However, this is only academic, but I wanted to clarify this on a matter of principle so that the same discretion would be exercised by you in other matters concerning the work of the Urban Council which might appear in newspapers on the day of our meetings. Would you please clarify that categorically?

CHAIRMAN:-It depends entirely on the urgency of the matter, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Could we have this matter referred to the relevant Select Committee, chaired by Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, for a categorical reply since you are unable to give it?

CHAIRMAN: -Certainly, Mr. SALES.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, Mr. SALES is on that Com- mittee, he could always refer it.

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