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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:----Mr. Chairman, is not this being done all the time? Matters which were discussed in the Standing Committee of the Whole Council, surely they are channelled through you as Chairman of the Urban Council and replies are forwarded to the Council or individual Councillors and this is nothing but exactly the same procedure but only in a different form. Would you please clarify that?

CHAIRMAN: —I (Laughter). cannot clarify it, you have confused me.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, could this be put on the agenda of the next meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council for further clarification.

CHAIRMAN: --Certainly.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: --Thank you. Now, may I ask you one more supplementary? You have indicated that many questions raised by Councillors and which are outside the scope of the Council will be answered by the time of the next Conventional Debate. Now, does that assume that the scope of this Council will be expanded to cope with such matters? Are you privy to confidential information of which Councillors are not aware of?

CHAIRMAN: -Your second question, no Sir, I am not; and your first question, I do not know in detail which questions will be answered and which will remain unanswered. It is obvious that with the passage of twelve months we shall be wiser than we are now.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, when you say we, are you including yourself as well?

CHAIRMAN:-Unless I am dead.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, on a matter of personal clarification. We do not want to start the New Year by picking on you as an individual, we are only picking on the position.

CHAIRMAN: -I quite understand that, thank you.

(7) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:-

What steps are being taken to set up more hawker markets and increase both the establishment and the recruits for the Hawker Control Force as mentioned by the Chairman in his reply at the Annual Debate?

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THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:-

Hawker bazaars are being constructed wherever sites are available. A new bazaar behind the Kowloon City Market has recently been brought into operation and has made possible a great improvement in the condition of the surrounding streets, an improvement which has been generally welcomed by local residents. A hawker bazaar in association with a small market is being constructed in Yue Man Square in Kwun Tong, and a similar project is planned for Ngau Tau Kok. A small hawker bazaar has also been constructed next to the market in Kowloon City Road in To Kwa Wan.

In the older parts of the urban area suitable sites for new hawker bazaars are very hard to find and are, in any case, usually required for other more urgent purposes. I can offer no easy solution in these areas, but the Department. in conjunction with the Crown Lands and Survey Division of the Public Works Department is continuously looking for suitable sites, and it may be possible to relieve some of our most congested streets by this means.

In addition to forming hawker bazaars the construction of new retail markets has a close and direct bearing on the hawker problem. There are at present two major markets projects in Category A of the Public Works Programme, North Point and Shek Tong Tsui and I hope that two more at Shau Kei Wan and Ngau Tau Kok will be upgraded to the same Category during the next financial year.

Other markets now in Category B of the Public Works Programme will be brought forward as soon as possible. In all these markets accommodation will be provided for the sale of meat, fish, poultry and vegetables. In the case of vegetables it is proposed that we should provide small stalls suitable for leasing out to the small traders at present operating as hawkers. The Urban Services Department with the approval of the Markets Select Committee is aiming to seek approval for the construction of new markets or the reconstruction of old ones at the rate of four per year, though it is not certain that staff and funds will be available for this number. The Department is actively pursuing this point with the Colonial Secretariat.

Turning now to the expansion of the Hawker Control Force I pointed out in my reply to Mr. BERNACCHI on December 21st that the number of suitable recruits coming forward had shown some improvement during the last year but

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Page 225 of 259. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:----Mr. Chairman, is not this being done all the time? Matters which were discussed in the Standing Committee of the Whole Council, surely they are channelled through you as Chairman of the Urban Council and replies are forwarded to the Council or individual Councillors and this is nothing but exactly the same procedure but only in a different form. Would you please clarify that? CHAIRMAN: —I (Laughter). cannot clarify it, you have confused me. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, could this be put on the agenda of the next meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council for further clarification. CHAIRMAN: --Certainly. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: --Thank you. Now, may I ask you one more supplementary? You have indicated that many questions raised by Councillors and which are outside the scope of the Council will be answered by the time of the next Conventional Debate. Now, does that assume that the scope of this Council will be expanded to cope with such matters? Are you privy to confidential information of which Councillors are not aware of? CHAIRMAN: -Your second question, no Sir, I am not; and your first question, I do not know in detail which questions will be answered and which will remain unanswered. It is obvious that with the passage of twelve months we shall be wiser than we are now. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, when you say we, are you including yourself as well? CHAIRMAN:-Unless I am dead. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, on a matter of personal clarification. We do not want to start the New Year by picking on you as an individual, we are only picking on the position. CHAIRMAN: -I quite understand that, thank you. (7) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:- What steps are being taken to set up more hawker markets and increase both the establishment and the recruits for the Hawker Control Force as mentioned by the Chairman in his reply at the Annual Debate? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 425 THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:- Hawker bazaars are being constructed wherever sites are available. A new bazaar behind the Kowloon City Market has recently been brought into operation and has made possible a great improvement in the condition of the surrounding streets, an improvement which has been generally welcomed by local residents. A hawker bazaar in association with a small market is being constructed in Yue Man Square in Kwun Tong, and a similar project is planned for Ngau Tau Kok. A small hawker bazaar has also been constructed next to the market in Kowloon City Road in To Kwa Wan. In the older parts of the urban area suitable sites for new hawker bazaars are very hard to find and are, in any case, usually required for other more urgent purposes. I can offer no easy solution in these areas, but the Department. in conjunction with the Crown Lands and Survey Division of the Public Works Department is continuously looking for suitable sites, and it may be possible to relieve some of our most congested streets by this means. In addition to forming hawker bazaars the construction of new retail markets has a close and direct bearing on the hawker problem. There are at present two major markets projects in Category A of the Public Works Programme, North Point and Shek Tong Tsui and I hope that two more at Shau Kei Wan and Ngau Tau Kok will be upgraded to the same Category during the next financial year. Other markets now in Category B of the Public Works Programme will be brought forward as soon as possible. In all these markets accommodation will be provided for the sale of meat, fish, poultry and vegetables. In the case of vegetables it is proposed that we should provide small stalls suitable for leasing out to the small traders at present operating as hawkers. The Urban Services Department with the approval of the Markets Select Committee is aiming to seek approval for the construction of new markets or the reconstruction of old ones at the rate of four per year, though it is not certain that staff and funds will be available for this number. The Department is actively pursuing this point with the Colonial Secretariat. Turning now to the expansion of the Hawker Control Force I pointed out in my reply to Mr. BERNACCHI on December 21st that the number of suitable recruits coming forward had shown some improvement during the last year but Page 226 of 259. 424 259
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259 Page 225 of 259. Page 225 of 259 424 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:----Mr. Chairman, is not this being done all the time? Matters which were discussed in the Standing Committee of the Whole Council, surely they are channelled through you as Chairman of the Urban Council and replies are forwarded to the Council or individual Councillors and this is nothing but exactly the same procedure but only in a different form. Would you please clarify that? CHAIRMAN: —I (Laughter). cannot clarify it, you have confused me. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, could this be put on the agenda of the next meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council for further clarification. CHAIRMAN: --Certainly. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: --Thank you. Now, may I ask you one more supplementary? You have indicated that many questions raised by Councillors and which are outside the scope of the Council will be answered by the time of the next Conventional Debate. Now, does that assume that the scope of this Council will be expanded to cope with such matters? Are you privy to confidential information of which Councillors are not aware of? CHAIRMAN: -Your second question, no Sir, I am not; and your first question, I do not know in detail which questions will be answered and which will remain unanswered. It is obvious that with the passage of twelve months we shall be wiser than we are now. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, when you say we, are you including your- self as well? CHAIRMAN:-Unless I am dead. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, on a matter of personal clarification. We do not want to start the New Year by picking on you as an individual, we are only picking on the position. CHAIRMAN: -I quite understand that, thank you. (7) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:- What steps are being taken to set up more hawker markets and increase both the establishment and the recruits for the Hawker Control Force as mentioned by the Chairman in his reply at the Annual Debate? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 425 THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:- Hawker bazaars are being constructed wherever sites are avail- able. A new bazaar behind the Kowloon City Market has recently been brought into operation and has made possible a great improvement in the condition of the surrounding streets, an improvement which has been generally welcomed by local residents. A hawker bazaar in association with a small market is being constructed in Yue Man Square in Kwun Tong, and a similar project is planned for Ngau Tau Kok. A small hawker bazaar has also been constructed next to the market in Kowloon City Road in To Kwa Wan. In the older parts of the urban area suitable sites for new hawker bazaars are very hard to find and are, in any case, usually required for other more urgent purposes. I can offer no easy solution in these areas, but the Department. in conjunction with the Crown Lands and Survey Division of the Public Works Department is continuously looking for suitable sites, and it may be possible to relieve some of our most congested streets by this means. In addition to forming hawker bazaars the construction of new retail markets has a close and direct bearing on the hawker problem. There are at present two major markets pro- jects in Category A of the Public Works Programme, North Point and Shek Tong Tsui and I hope that two more at Shau Kei Wan and Ngau Tau Kok will be up- graded to the same Category during the next financial year. Other markets now in Category B of the Public Works Programme will be brought forward as soon as possible. In all these markets accommodation will be provided for the sale of meat, fish, poultry and vegetables. In the case of vegetables it is proposed that we should provide small stalls suitable for leasing out to the small traders at present operating as hawkers. The Urban Services Department with the approval of the Markets Select Committee is aiming to seek approval for the con- struction of new markets or the reconstruction of old ones at the rate of four per year, though it is not certain that staff and funds will be available for this number. The Department is actively pursuing this point with the Colonial Secretariat. Turning now to the expansion of the Hawker Control Force I pointed out in my reply to Mr. BERNACCHI on December 21st that the number of suitable recruits coming forward had shown some improvement during the last year but Page 225Page 226 259 ས་ན་ནམ
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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:----Mr. Chairman, is not this being done all the time? Matters which were discussed in the Standing Committee of the Whole Council, surely they are channelled through you as Chairman of the Urban Council and replies are forwarded to the Council or individual Councillors and this is nothing but exactly the same procedure but only in a different form. Would you please clarify that?

CHAIRMAN: —I

(Laughter).

cannot clarify it, you have confused me.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, could this be put on the agenda of the next meeting of the Standing Committee of the Whole Council for further clarification.

CHAIRMAN: --Certainly.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: --Thank you. Now, may I ask you one more supplementary? You have indicated that many questions raised by Councillors and which are outside the scope of the Council will be answered by the time of the next Conventional Debate. Now, does that assume that the scope of this Council will be expanded to cope with such matters? Are you privy to confidential information of which Councillors are not aware of?

CHAIRMAN: -Your second question, no Sir, I am not; and your first question, I do not know in detail which questions will be answered and which will remain unanswered. It is obvious that with the passage of twelve months we shall be wiser than we are now.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, when you say we, are you including your- self as well?

CHAIRMAN:-Unless I am dead.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Sir, on a matter of personal clarification. We do not want to start the New Year by picking on you as an individual, we are only picking on the position.

CHAIRMAN: -I quite understand that, thank you.

(7) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:-

What steps are being taken to set up more hawker markets and increase both the establishment and the recruits for the Hawker Control Force as mentioned by the Chairman in his reply at the Annual Debate?

HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

425

THE CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL, replied as follows:-

Hawker bazaars are being constructed wherever sites are avail- able. A new bazaar behind the Kowloon City Market has recently been brought into operation and has made possible a great improvement in the condition of the surrounding streets, an improvement which has been generally welcomed by local residents. A hawker bazaar in association with a small market is being constructed in Yue Man Square in Kwun Tong, and a similar project is planned for Ngau Tau Kok. A small hawker bazaar has also been constructed next to the market in Kowloon City Road in To Kwa Wan.

In the older parts of the urban area suitable sites for new hawker bazaars are very hard to find and are, in any case, usually required for other more urgent purposes. I can offer no easy solution in these areas, but the Department. in conjunction with the Crown Lands and Survey Division of the Public Works Department is continuously looking for suitable sites, and it may be possible to relieve some of our most congested streets by this means.

In addition to forming hawker bazaars the construction of new retail markets has a close and direct bearing on the hawker problem. There are at present two major markets pro- jects in Category A of the Public Works Programme, North Point and Shek Tong Tsui and I hope that two more at Shau Kei Wan and Ngau Tau Kok will be up- graded to the same Category during the next financial year.

Other markets now in Category B of the Public Works Programme will be brought forward as soon as possible. In all these markets accommodation will be provided for the sale of meat, fish, poultry and vegetables. In the case of vegetables it is proposed that we should provide small stalls suitable for leasing out to the small traders at present operating as hawkers. The Urban Services Department with the approval of the Markets Select Committee is aiming to seek approval for the con- struction of new markets or the reconstruction of old ones at the rate of four per year, though it is not certain that staff and funds will be available for this number. The Department is actively pursuing this point with the Colonial Secretariat.

Turning now to the expansion of the Hawker Control Force I pointed out in my reply to Mr. BERNACCHI on December 21st that the number of suitable recruits coming forward had shown some improvement during the last year but

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