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been deprived of their only urban beach to come over to the Island to swim?

CHAIRMAN:-No. That certainly was not the intention. My impression all along was that when Lai Chi Kok Beach was made inaccessible to swimmers, they would proceed further along the Castle Peak Road. I am also aware that members of this Council had been pressing for a swimming pool at Lai Chi Kok.

MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, as you referred in passing to the notes which this intrepid band of beach explorers made could we have a comment, admittedly unofficially, from the Director of Public Works on progress on the Silverstrand Beach as that is a pressing matter, and if progress can be made now it would be greatly to the advantage of many thousands of people who make their way out there.

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that I haven't brought myself up to date with the typhoon repairs at Silverstrand Bay. So far as the changing-rooms are concerned I see that I do have a note here to say that they are ready to go out to tender, but they are deferring the starting of any work until the end of this bathing season so as not to cause any more disruption.

MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, I was actually referring to progress on repairs to the beach defences which were shattered in the typhoons last year. Apparently the contractor had gone bust and the P.W.D. was endeavouring to secure another contractor to get on with the work which when we visited some 3 or 4 weeks ago, had come to a standstill.

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that this is one of the Supplementaries which I didn't brief myself for. I tried to think of what I might be asked. (Laughter). As I've said before on many occasions, when one terminates a contract it takes many weeks to get a new one going again, but I will look into this and I could perhaps let Mr. FORSGATE know the answer by telephone tomorrow or through the Urban Amenities Select Committee on which I have a representative.

CHAIRMAN:-Sir, I am glad to be able to inform you that I had time to brief myself on this. (Laughter). I believe that work is likely to be resumed within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I think, speaking on recollection, that the date given to me was about the 24th of this month.

DR. LEE:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of your second paragraph in reply to Dr. BELL's question, is it possible for you to make a definite statement when the parking space at the 113 Milestone Beach will be enlarged and made available for the large number of people going out there to use that beach, in view of the fact that Lai Chi Kok beach, although gazetted, is not really accessible to the public?

CHAIRMAN:-I regret, Sir, that it is not possible without notice.

MR. SALES: -Sir, may I pursue the questioning which my colleague Mr. FORSGATE started. In your reply you said that it would be possible to resume work at Silverstrand within two or three weeks. Will you please let this Council know what your guess is as to when the work will be completed, in which we are far more interested?

CHAIRMAN:-I would be loath to hazard a guess in this matter, but it has been my impression through recent months that there is a firm intention to complete this work as early as possible in the present bathing season.

MR. SALES:-Sir, as the damage occurred last year, could the work not have been started in very good time so that the beach would be available for use by the public this summer?

CHAIRMAN:-You may recollect, Sir, that I did attempt to provide you with a detailed and somewhat laborious explanation on this point at a previous meeting of this Council, in return for which you said that I was in breach of Standing Orders and that you intended to report me to the Chairman of the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee. (Laughter). I explained at that time why it was not possible to proceed earlier with the work at that beach.

MR. SALES:-Sir, have you since then had occasion to make your report? (Laughter). May I now refer you to the 3rd and 4th sentences of the second paragraph of your reply to Dr. BELL. Have you consulted the Police Department about parking facilities near the beaches so that the public may not be victimized as is presently the case?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I am afraid I don't understand the question, Mr. Chairman.

MR. SALES:-Mr. Chairman, the Director of Public Works was distracted in fact. Sir, may I put the question once more.

CHAIRMAN:-Please do. I understand the background to it too. (Laughter).

MR. SALES:-Thank you, Sir, I assume that in matters of this sort, the Police will be consulted regarding parking arrangements. Anyway it is a point that I will certainly look into. When you make fresh representations to the Commissioner of Police, Sir, may I suggest that you advise the Commissioner that it is the function of the Police Force

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Page 91 of 382 160 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL been deprived of their only urban beach to come over to the Island to swim? CHAIRMAN:-No. That certainly was not the intention. My impression all along was that when Lai Chi Kok Beach was made inaccessible to swimmers, they would proceed further along the Castle Peak Road. I am also aware that members of this Council had been pressing for a swimming pool at Lai Chi Kok. MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, as you referred in passing to the notes which this intrepid band of beach explorers made could we have a comment, admittedly unofficially, from the Director of Public Works on progress on the Silverstrand Beach as that is a pressing matter, and if progress can be made now it would be greatly to the advantage of many thousands of people who make their way out there. DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that I haven't brought myself up to date with the typhoon repairs at Silverstrand Bay. So far as the changing-rooms are concerned I see that I do have a note here to say that they are ready to go out to tender, but they are deferring the starting of any work until the end of this bathing season so as not to cause any more disruption. MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, I was actually referring to progress on repairs to the beach defences which were shattered in the typhoons last year. Apparently the contractor had gone bust and the P.W.D. was endeavouring to secure another contractor to get on with the work which when we visited some 3 or 4 weeks ago, had come to a standstill. DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that this is one of the Supplementaries which I didn't brief myself for. I tried to think of what I might be asked. (Laughter). As I've said before on many occasions, when one terminates a contract it takes many weeks to get a new one going again, but I will look into this and I could perhaps let Mr. FORSGATE know the answer by telephone tomorrow or through the Urban Amenities Select Committee on which I have a representative. CHAIRMAN:-Sir, I am glad to be able to inform you that I had time to brief myself on this. (Laughter). I believe that work is likely to be resumed within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I think, speaking on recollection, that the date given to me was about the 24th of this month. DR. LEE:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of your second paragraph in reply to Dr. BELL's question, is it possible for you to make a definite statement when the parking space at the 113 Milestone Beach will be enlarged and made available for the large number of people going out there to use that beach, in view of the fact that Lai Chi Kok beach, although gazetted, is not really accessible to the public? CHAIRMAN:-I regret, Sir, that it is not possible without notice. MR. SALES: -Sir, may I pursue the questioning which my colleague Mr. FORSGATE started. In your reply you said that it would be possible to resume work at Silverstrand within two or three weeks. Will you please let this Council know what your guess is as to when the work will be completed, in which we are far more interested? CHAIRMAN:-I would be loath to hazard a guess in this matter, but it has been my impression through recent months that there is a firm intention to complete this work as early as possible in the present bathing season. MR. SALES:-Sir, as the damage occurred last year, could the work not have been started in very good time so that the beach would be available for use by the public this summer? CHAIRMAN:-You may recollect, Sir, that I did attempt to provide you with a detailed and somewhat laborious explanation on this point at a previous meeting of this Council, in return for which you said that I was in breach of Standing Orders and that you intended to report me to the Chairman of the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee. (Laughter). I explained at that time why it was not possible to proceed earlier with the work at that beach. MR. SALES:-Sir, have you since then had occasion to make your report? (Laughter). May I now refer you to the 3rd and 4th sentences of the second paragraph of your reply to Dr. BELL. Have you consulted the Police Department about parking facilities near the beaches so that the public may not be victimized as is presently the case? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I am afraid I don't understand the question, Mr. Chairman. MR. SALES:-Mr. Chairman, the Director of Public Works was distracted in fact. Sir, may I put the question once more. CHAIRMAN:-Please do. I understand the background to it too. (Laughter). MR. SALES:-Thank you, Sir, I assume that in matters of this sort, the Police will be consulted regarding parking arrangements. Anyway it is a point that I will certainly look into. When you make fresh representations to the Commissioner of Police, Sir, may I suggest that you advise the Commissioner that it is the function of the Police Force HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 161 Page 91 of 382

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Page 91 of 382 160 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL been deprived of their only urban beach to come over to the Island to swim? CHAIRMAN:-No. That certainly was not the intention. My im- pression all along was that when Lai Chi Kok Beach was made in- accessible to swimmers, they would proceed further along the Castle Peak Road. I am also aware that members of this Council had been pressing for a swimming pool at Lai Chi Kok. MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, as you referred in passing to the notes which this intrepid band of beach explorers made could we have a comment, admittedly unofficially, from the Director of Public Works on progress on the Silverstrand Beach as that is a pressing matter, and if progress can be made now it would be greatly to the advantage of many thousands of people who make their way out there. DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that I haven't brought myself up to date with the typhoon repairs at Silver- strand Bay. So far as the changing-rooms are concerned I see that I do have a note here to say that they are ready to go out to tender, but they are deferring the starting of any work until the end of this bathing season so as not to cause any more disruption. MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, I was actually referring to pro- gress on repairs to the beach defences which were shattered in the typhoons last year. Apparently the contractor had gone bust and the P.W.D. was endeavouring the secure another contractor to get on with the work which when we visited some 3 or 4 weeks ago, had come to a standstill. DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that this is one of the Supplementaries which I didn't brief myself for. I tried to think of what I might be asked. (Laughter). As I've said before on many occasions, when one terminates a contract it takes many weeks to get a new one going again, but I will look into this and I could perhaps let Mr. FORSGATE know the answer by telephone tomorrow or through the Urban Amenities Select Committee on which I have a representative. CHAIRMAN:-Sir, I am glad to be able to inform you that I had time to brief myself on this. (Laughter). I believe that work is likely to be resumed within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I think, speaking on recollection, that the date given to me was about the 24th of this month. DR. LEE-Mr. Chairman, arising out of your second paragraph in reply to Dr. BELL's question, is it possible for you to make a definite state- ment when the parking space at the 113 Milestone Beach will be enlarged and made available for the large number of people going out there to use HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 161 that beach, in view of the fact that Lai Chi Kok beach, although gazetted, is not really accessible to the public? CHAIRMAN:-I regret, Sir, that it is not possible without notice. MR. SALES: ---Sir, may I pursue the questioning which my colleague Mr. FORSGATE started. In your reply you said that it would be possible to resume work at Silverstrand within two or three weeks. Will you please let this Council know what your guess is as to when the work will be completed, in which we are far more interested? CHAIRMAN:-I would be loath to hazard a guess in this matter, but it has been my impression through recent months that there is a firm intention to complete this work as early as possible in the present bathing season. MR. SALES: -Sir, as the damage occurred last year, could the work not have been started in very good time so that the beach would be available for use by the public this summer? CHAIRMAN :--You may recollect, Sir, that I did attempt to provide you with a detailed and somewhat laborious explanation on this point at a previous meeting of this Council, in return for which you said that I was in breach of Standing Orders and that you intended to report me to the Chairman of the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee. (Laughter). I explained at that time why it was not possible to proceed earlier with the work at that beach. MR. SALES-Sir, have you since then had occasion to make your report? (Laughter). May I now refer you to the 3rd and 4th sentences of the second paragraph of your reply to Dr. BELL. Have you consulted the Police Department about parking facilities near the beaches so that the public may not be victimized as is presently the case? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I am afraid I don't understand the question, Mr. Chairman. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, the Director of Public Works was distracted in fact. Sir, may I put the question once more. CHAIRMAN:-Please do. I understand the background to it too. (Laughter). MR. SALES :-Thank you, Sir, I assume that in matters of this sort, the Police will be consulted regarding parking arrangements. Anyway it is a point that I will certainly look into. When you make fresh representations to the Commissioner of Police, Sir, may I suggest that you advise the Commissioner that it is the function of the Police Force

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been deprived of their only urban beach to come over to the Island to swim?

CHAIRMAN:-No. That certainly was not the intention. My im- pression all along was that when Lai Chi Kok Beach was made in- accessible to swimmers, they would proceed further along the Castle Peak Road. I am also aware that members of this Council had been pressing for a swimming pool at Lai Chi Kok.

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that I haven't brought myself up to date with the typhoon repairs at Silver- strand Bay. So far as the changing-rooms are concerned I see that I do have a note here to say that they are ready to go out to tender, but they are deferring the starting of any work until the end of this bathing season so as not to cause any more disruption.

MR. FORSGATE: Mr. Chairman, I was actually referring to pro- gress on repairs to the beach defences which were shattered in the typhoons last year. Apparently the contractor had gone bust and the P.W.D. was endeavouring the secure another contractor to get on with the work which when we visited some 3 or 4 weeks ago, had come to a standstill.

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I'm afraid, Mr. Chairman, that this is one of the Supplementaries which I didn't brief myself for. I tried to think of what I might be asked. (Laughter). As I've said before on many occasions, when one terminates a contract it takes many weeks to get a new one going again, but I will look into this and I could perhaps let Mr. FORSGATE know the answer by telephone tomorrow or through the Urban Amenities Select Committee on which I have a representative.

DR. LEE-Mr. Chairman, arising out of your second paragraph in reply to Dr. BELL's question, is it possible for you to make a definite state- ment when the parking space at the 113 Milestone Beach will be enlarged and made available for the large number of people going out there to use

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that beach, in view of the fact that Lai Chi Kok beach, although gazetted, is not really accessible to the public?

CHAIRMAN:-I regret, Sir, that it is not possible without notice.

MR. SALES: ---Sir, may I pursue the questioning which my colleague Mr. FORSGATE started. In your reply you said that it would be possible to resume work at Silverstrand within two or three weeks. Will you please let this Council know what your guess is as to when the work will be completed, in which we are far more interested?

MR. SALES: -Sir, as the damage occurred last year, could the work not have been started in very good time so that the beach would be available for use by the public this summer?

CHAIRMAN :--You may recollect, Sir, that I did attempt to provide you with a detailed and somewhat laborious explanation on this point at a previous meeting of this Council, in return for which you said that I was in breach of Standing Orders and that you intended to report me to the Chairman of the Standing Orders and Procedure Select Committee. (Laughter). I explained at that time why it was not possible to proceed earlier with the work at that beach.

MR. SALES-Sir, have you since then had occasion to make your report? (Laughter). May I now refer you to the 3rd and 4th sentences of the second paragraph of your reply to Dr. BELL. Have you consulted the Police Department about parking facilities near the beaches so that the public may not be victimized as is presently the case?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I am afraid I don't understand the question, Mr. Chairman.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, the Director of Public Works was distracted in fact. Sir, may I put the question once more.

CHAIRMAN:-Please do. I understand the background to it too.

(Laughter).

MR. SALES :-Thank you, Sir, I assume that in matters of this sort, the Police will be consulted regarding parking arrangements. Anyway it is a point that I will certainly look into. When you make fresh representations to the Commissioner of Police, Sir, may I suggest that you advise the Commissioner that it is the function of the Police Force

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