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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, my apologies to the Director of Public Works, because I had assumed that like the benevolent octopus, the Public Works Department had a hand in everything. (Laughter).

MR. SALES: Pursuing the line of questioning which my colleague has started, is it not possible that the Financial Secretariat is unwilling to come to a decision so that the land might be put up for public auction for development as a very congested residential area, in the usual fashion?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: I am not sure that this is addressed to me, Sir.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, will you, in anticipation, deplore to Government the possibilities of such a line of action being taken by the Financial Secretary? In clarification, I ask you to convey my remarks.

CHAIRMAN: Your point will be conveyed to Government.

MR. SALES: Thank you.

(4) MR. A. de O. SALES asked the following question:

Will the Chairman please tell this Council whether all such Crown land now leased to and controlled by private organizations for recreational purposes is properly developed and maintained and put to good use? What is the total area under such leases?

THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS replied as follows:

Land for private recreational purposes is held under a variety of leases and is used in various ways and intensities. So far as I am aware, such land is maintained in accordance with the conditions of the leases but I would be glad to learn of any cases where it might appear that this is not the case.

Excluding the race-course, within the built-up areas a total of some 60 acres is occupied by private recreational clubs, almost exactly equally divided between Hong Kong and Kowloon.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I ask you to inquire as to the extent these privately-held leases are put to good use in the interests of the public? In other words, are these privately-operated organizations putting their public land at the disposal of the Education Department having regard to how much the shortage is for playground facilities for the thousands of school children in Hong Kong?

HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

DIRECTOR OF Public Works: Mr. Chairman, I could not answer that question completely. There are so many clubs, and I do not really think the Education Department would be interested in using their facilities. Perhaps it would help if I run down the list of clubs covered by the 60 acres.

Hong Kong

Hong Kong Football Club Craigengower Cricket Club Police Recreation Club

Indian Recreation Club

Chinese Recreation Club

South China Athletic Association

Cable and Wireless/Post Office Club

Hong Kong Cricket Club

Deep Water Bay Golf Club

International Country Club

Shek O Country Club

Kowloon

South China Athletic Association

Kowloon Bowling Green Club

Kowloon Cricket Club

Club de Recreio

Young Men's Christian Association

India Club

Filipino Club

Little Flower Club

Urban Council and Urban Services Recreation Club

Chinese Civil Servants Association

Hong Kong Police Sports Association

Many of these clubs have social purposes not requiring much land. For instance, quite honestly, I do not know what the Little Flower Club does, which is for Chinese ladies. It is not a big club and I am sure the Education Department would not want to use their land. On the other hand, the big athletic clubs do co-operate with the Education Department.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, that is a most comprehensive reply. I know for sure that some clubs do pursue an enlightened policy by putting their facilities at the disposal of the Education Department and I do want to see this being practised to a very much greater extent, because all of us are aware that there are thousands of school children in Hong Kong frequenting schools which have no facilities at all for

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Page 105 of 312 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, my apologies to the Director of Public Works, because I had assumed that like the benevolent octopus, the Public Works Department had a hand in everything. (Laughter). MR. SALES: Pursuing the line of questioning which my colleague has started, is it not possible that the Financial Secretariat is unwilling to come to a decision so that the land might be put up for public auction for development as a very congested residential area, in the usual fashion? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: I am not sure that this is addressed to me, Sir. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, will you, in anticipation, deplore to Government the possibilities of such a line of action being taken by the Financial Secretary? In clarification, I ask you to convey my remarks. CHAIRMAN: Your point will be conveyed to Government. MR. SALES: Thank you. (4) MR. A. de O. SALES asked the following question: Will the Chairman please tell this Council whether all such Crown land now leased to and controlled by private organizations for recreational purposes is properly developed and maintained and put to good use? What is the total area under such leases? THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS replied as follows: Land for private recreational purposes is held under a variety of leases and is used in various ways and intensities. So far as I am aware, such land is maintained in accordance with the conditions of the leases but I would be glad to learn of any cases where it might appear that this is not the case. Excluding the race-course, within the built-up areas a total of some 60 acres is occupied by private recreational clubs, almost exactly equally divided between Hong Kong and Kowloon. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I ask you to inquire as to the extent these privately-held leases are put to good use in the interests of the public? In other words, are these privately-operated organizations putting their public land at the disposal of the Education Department having regard to how much the shortage is for playground facilities for the thousands of school children in Hong Kong? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DIRECTOR OF Public Works: Mr. Chairman, I could not answer that question completely. There are so many clubs, and I do not really think the Education Department would be interested in using their facilities. Perhaps it would help if I run down the list of clubs covered by the 60 acres. Hong Kong Hong Kong Football Club Craigengower Cricket Club Police Recreation Club Indian Recreation Club Chinese Recreation Club South China Athletic Association Cable and Wireless/Post Office Club Hong Kong Cricket Club Deep Water Bay Golf Club International Country Club Shek O Country Club Kowloon South China Athletic Association Kowloon Bowling Green Club Kowloon Cricket Club Club de Recreio Young Men's Christian Association India Club Filipino Club Little Flower Club Urban Council and Urban Services Recreation Club Chinese Civil Servants Association Hong Kong Police Sports Association Many of these clubs have social purposes not requiring much land. For instance, quite honestly, I do not know what the Little Flower Club does, which is for Chinese ladies. It is not a big club and I am sure the Education Department would not want to use their land. On the other hand, the big athletic clubs do co-operate with the Education Department. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, that is a most comprehensive reply. I know for sure that some clubs do pursue an enlightened policy by putting their facilities at the disposal of the Education Department and I do want to see this being practised to a very much greater extent, because all of us are aware that there are thousands of school children in Hong Kong frequenting schools which have no facilities at all for Page 105 Page 106
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312 Page 105 of 312 186 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:· Mr. Chairman, my apologies to the Director of Public Works, because I had assumed that like the benevolent octo- pus, the Public Works Department had a hand in everything. (Laughter). MR. SALES: Pursuing the line of questioning which my colleague has started, is it not possible that the Financial Secretariat is unwilling to come to a decision so that the land might be put up for public auction for development as a very congested residential area, in the usual fashion? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:--I am not sure that this is addressed to me, Sir. MR. SALES: --Mr. Chairman, will you, in anticipation, deplore to Government the possibilities of such a line of action being taken by the Financial Secretary? In clarification, I ask you to convey my remarks. CHAIRMAN:---Your point will be conveyed to Government. MR. SALES :-Thank you. (4) MR. A. de O. SALES asked the following question:---- Will the Chairman please tell this Council whether all such Crown land now leased to and controlled by private or- ganizations for recreational purposes is properly developed and maintained and put to good use? What is the total area under such leases? THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS replied as follows: Land for private recreational purposes is held under a variety of leases and is used in various ways and intensities. So far as I am aware, such land is maintained in accordance with the conditions of the leases but I would be glad to learn of any cases where it might appear that this is not the case. Excluding the race-course, within the built-up areas a total of some 60 acres is occupied by private recreational clubs, almost exactly equally divided between Hong Kong and Kowloon. MR. SALES-Mr. Chairman, may I ask you to inquire as to the extent these privately-held leases are put to good use in the interests of the public? In other words, are these privately-operated organizations putting their public land at the disposal of the Education Department having regard to how much the shortage is for playground facilities for the thousands of school children in Hong Kong? ! HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 187 DIRECTOR OF Public Works:-Mr. Chairman, I could not answer that question completely. There are so many clubs, and I do not really think the Education Department would be interested in using their facilities. Perhaps it would help if I run down the list of clubs covered by the 60 acres. Hong Kong Hong Kong Football Club Craigengower Cricket Club Police Recreation Club Indian Recreation Club Chinese Recreation Club South China Athletic Association Cable and Wireless/Post Office Club Hong Kong Cricket Club Deep Water Bay Golf Club International Country Club Shek O Country Club Kowloon South China Athletic Association Kowloon Bowling Green Club Kowloon Cricket Club Club de Recreio Young Men's Christian Association India Club Filipino Club Little Flower Club Urban Council and Urban Services Recreation Club Chinese Civil Servants Association Hong Kong Police Sports Association Many of these clubs have social purposes not requiring much land. For instance, quite honestly, I do not know what the Little Flower Club does, which is for Chinese ladies. It is not a big club and I am sure the Education Department would not want to use their land. On the other hand, the big athletic clubs do co-operate with the Education Department. MR. SALES-Mr. Chairman, that is a most comprehensive reply. I know for sure that some clubs do pursue an enlightened policy by putting their facilities at the disposal of the Education Department and I do want to see this being practised to a very much greater extent, because all of us are aware that there are thousands of school children in Hong Kong frequenting schools which have no facilities at all for Page 105Page 106
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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:· Mr. Chairman, my apologies to the Director of Public Works, because I had assumed that like the benevolent octo- pus, the Public Works Department had a hand in everything. (Laughter).

MR. SALES: Pursuing the line of questioning which my colleague has started, is it not possible that the Financial Secretariat is unwilling to come to a decision so that the land might be put up for public auction for development as a very congested residential area, in the usual fashion?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:--I am not sure that this is addressed to me, Sir.

MR. SALES: --Mr. Chairman, will you, in anticipation, deplore to Government the possibilities of such a line of action being taken by the Financial Secretary? In clarification, I ask you to convey my remarks.

CHAIRMAN:---Your point will be conveyed to Government.

MR. SALES :-Thank you.

(4) MR. A. de O. SALES asked the following question:----

Will the Chairman please tell this Council whether all such Crown land now leased to and controlled by private or- ganizations for recreational purposes is properly developed and maintained and put to good use? What is the total area under such leases?

THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS replied as follows:

Land for private recreational purposes is held under a variety of leases and is used in various ways and intensities. So far as I am aware, such land is maintained in accordance with the conditions of the leases but I would be glad to learn of any cases where it might appear that this is not the case.

Excluding the race-course, within the built-up areas a total of some 60 acres is occupied by private recreational clubs, almost exactly equally divided between Hong Kong and Kowloon.

MR. SALES-Mr. Chairman, may I ask you to inquire as to the extent these privately-held leases are put to good use in the interests of the public? In other words, are these privately-operated organizations putting their public land at the disposal of the Education Department having regard to how much the shortage is for playground facilities for the thousands of school children in Hong Kong?

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DIRECTOR OF Public Works:-Mr. Chairman, I could not answer that question completely. There are so many clubs, and I do not really think the Education Department would be interested in using their facilities. Perhaps it would help if I run down the list of clubs covered by the 60 acres.

Hong Kong

Hong Kong Football Club Craigengower Cricket Club Police Recreation Club

Indian Recreation Club

Chinese Recreation Club

South China Athletic Association

Cable and Wireless/Post Office Club

Hong Kong Cricket Club

Deep Water Bay Golf Club

International Country Club

Shek O Country Club

Kowloon

South China Athletic Association

Kowloon Bowling Green Club

Kowloon Cricket Club

Club de Recreio

Young Men's Christian Association

India Club

Filipino Club

Little Flower Club

Urban Council and Urban Services Recreation Club

Chinese Civil Servants Association

Hong Kong Police Sports Association

Many of these clubs have social purposes not requiring much land. For instance, quite honestly, I do not know what the Little Flower Club does, which is for Chinese ladies. It is not a big club and I am sure the Education Department would not want to use their land. On the other hand, the big athletic clubs do co-operate with the Education Department.

MR. SALES-Mr. Chairman, that is a most comprehensive reply. I know for sure that some clubs do pursue an enlightened policy by putting their facilities at the disposal of the Education Department and I do want to see this being practised to a very much greater extent, because all of us are aware that there are thousands of school children in Hong Kong frequenting schools which have no facilities at all for

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