1941-09-09 — Page 21

Tuesday,

HONGKONG TELEGRAPH

September 9, 1941.

INQUIRY IS NO REFLECTION ON MR CARMAN'S WORK, SAYS CHAIRMAN

FROM PAGE ONE

same arrangement, though I have no definite knowledge.

Mr Carman was asked by the Chairman to make inquiries and supply to information.

Sleepers Purchased Mr Carman was then questioned regarding a purchase of 5,000 pieces of sleepers in April 1041,

The Chairman: What tunnels were those used in?-I'm afraid I can't answer that.

they used in the tunnel by Were the flongkong and Shanghat Bank? I think not, us by April that tunnel was practically completed..

Do you know from whom you pur-| chased this 5,0007-It appears that they come from Kin Lee, but I can't give any definite information on that

point.

And the price? Yes, they were from Kin Lee, at $5.20,

Do you know whether this 5.000 was available in September 19407 There is no way of knowing.

take it they also belonged to the Chinese Government?--I believe all sleepers at the time had been bought

by or for the Chinese Government.

Which member of your firm con- ducted the negotiations for the pur chose of this timber?-Mr de Brockert.

What was he?-He was our chief engineer.

The negotiations were conducted through him?-He worked most of our quotations and discussed the matter with Mr Campbell and was authorised by Mr Campbell to make the purchase.

You said yesterday that whether you put in concrete beams or not, it absolutely necessary to use timber-That is right.

WAR

the

-What actually happens is that the money is turned over to C. T. Yuan's custody for placing into envelopes in the office before they are sent out to the sites.

a stranger looking at this list But a of disbursements would think the money was made out to C. T. Yuan and not as pay-rolls at all?-Each man has a card and number and when he returns this to the oflee, it is used as a bnals to calculate the various workmen's salaries.

For Office Record

I still don't see why it has been put down in the name of C. T. Yuan. It is a cash cheque and when money is brought back to the ombe, it is turned over to him to put into envelopes. It is a matter of omeg record. It fo

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t is what happens every week? Xusume it is handled through C. T.

I

this

Why are some items marked "Pay- rall So-and-So?" Why don't you in with every pay-roll?-It is just the way the clerk has typed it. It is supported by vouchers signed by Mr Lloyd or some other member of our

tenders and checking the reliability of these firmi..

You had over a year now to date? From time to time the question o transport came up and Mr Campbel and Mr. de Brockert agreed to the arrangement

Onus On P.W.D.

My point is that no attempt was made during the last 12 months 6. either Margman or the P.W.D. by the way of calling public tenders to ke whether the transport work could been done cheaper. We wer have working under instructions to do the job in the fastest time. The initia. tive

.W.D. If they had niced us to 18- should have come from 11. sue tenders we would have done so

Quite, but the fact remains tha no tenders were called either by you, or the P.W.D. That is correct

The Chairman next referred to disbursement from December. 18 !

Thero 31. 1940. He asked:

an Item. "South China Morning Post

3. What was that for?

material purchased to see if it was country, and the police could wink up to standard,

Here is an item, the Henry Trans-that you have been told by the it, if you overload. Is it a fact portation Company. $20.50? What P.WD, that you could overload?--I was that for? This company's or believe, the arrangement was entered was hired to transport boxes of tools into that basis, and various equipment such And to your knowledge, were there drilled steel from Holt's Wharf from my subsequent prosecutions?-1 be the steamer Taiping to alte No 1 apposite the Hongkong and Sh Nghieve one or two charges had been

made, Bank.

believe there were no prosecutions Could the work not have been

They were dropped?—Yes. lone by the Oriental Transportation On

On whose Instructions were they Company? The Oriental Transpor-dropped?--I don't know. tation Company were really trans- There is an item here for $25 paid porters of muck. From time to time to the Omee Appliance Company?- they did other work. The situation It was for the hire of a Monroe cal- was such that it was necessary for culator. us to get other firms to transport equipment as soon as it arrived from Manila.

For use in the office?—Yes. The Government paid for that and you charged ten por cent?-Yes, Ambulance, Feo

I thought that you told us before Another Item says Police Depart-that none of your cflco overhead was ment, $5. What was that for?-1t to be charged?-1,believe this item was the cost of an ambulance fee, was taken up when Mr Campbell or What was that connected with? Mr Bishop due to some delay in the The sending of an ambulance to the payroll, but I will have to look into Mr Carman; An advertisemen

Queen Mary Hospital. It doesn't this. was run in the "South China Mornay what it was on this voucher but 1 presume that an accident had

You Inserted the advertisement fo;"

tenders,

the value of un

Blasting Causes Damage

occurred.

Government?—Yes.

com-

..

Bills For Watchmen Another item here is for $425.25, to

guards.

firm, Mr Campbell and Messrs Lawn Post" under the "Wanted to Bingham and Matthews, Eaca Luy" column for a compressor. voucher is checked by three people. the compressor? There were none have covered that? We received watchmen. The bill for watchmen or -Would not your Insurance scheme the Hongkong Government, for Transportation You said previously that you had wanted knowledge of all the avail- compensation fromeneral accidents March 31. The men were necessary we knew of and we the Insurance guards was for the month ending several firms doing your transportable equipment here, so we ran tha work to cart away the rubble. I see advertisement.

and we had got this paid. In any as we were sending weekly approxi- from a real check, of all your dis-

serious accident we received

mately $15,000 to $10,000, and each You apprecinte bursements that the Oriental Trans-,

penention.

time they ins advertisement? Yes.

were accompanied by portallon most of the work. Take one of the preciate the value of publicity for

Company seems to have got

Apparently the P.W.D. did not ap- Do you also credit ten per cent, guards. I believe they were Indion items for $4,132.05. 1f you

I should like you to produce any An item here states payment of through the weekly disbursements,

credit in regard to any accident and $174 to Drs. Anderson, Durran and you will see that the Oriental Trans-

hospital charges to which Govern- Meliney. What is that for?-At the portation Company has been pald Wint about the next lem, Leighment has been credited with, including the Medical Department re- thousands of dollars each week. No and Orange, $167 Are they a firming the ten per cent you charge. quired everybody to inoculate them- other company seems to appear ex- of archllects? They are, We.op- Witness agreed to do so. copt for small amounts?At the start plied

10 them

selves against cholera.

We had one on behalf of the Payment To Auditors

case of cholera, and felt it was neces- of the job, we had some dimculty PWD, to estimate damage done to

I asked you to let me have parti-sary for all the coolles employed on with transportation and 1 Estimates Made

and I myself was a godown

culars of a payment made to Lowe, the work to be inoculated. We made The concerned about it and check buck. position -then was that the Bingham and Matthews which was That was your opinion and that of which resulted in my Anding it was damage to the godown was caused subsequently cancelled.

the arrangement with the doctors CR u flat rate basis, and between 2,000 P.W.D. in September

What was 1940. Impossible for some of the trucks to by Marsman?-By blasting.

What for? The bill for $350 re- and 2,000 men were inoculated as There were considerable gitcnt of to cheer up the number of actual to make yourself avaliable of the October fees for September 11 10 was supplied unter pay. The vaccine

stocks make

on sites

say the P.W.D. Instructed presented to You

they that date. Do you know why those londa mode and the Oriental Trans- services of these architects? I for- was an erasure there. It was can-ment, and the work was done by Drs. sleepers were not purchased?-As I portation Company was the most get the circumstances at the time but celled as it was arranged that wo have stated before, we began the efficient one. We had less trouble the question of repair came up. In were to pay 50 per cent. of the

Anderson, Durran, McEincy, Kirk work on on experimental basis and getting the muck out of the tunnel urder to have an outside opinion as auditor's fees and the Government

and Arthur. Woo.

Could this not only to do 3,000 feet of tunnel. Inces and I presume they were to

presume that was what was therefore charged $175. At the was some discussion relative to that. the cause

Use I

be done by a At the time we were arranging for carried on

Government medical officer?-There with because of their they r re-emelency on

requested.

time the job started, the books were I am not in a position to give you the supplies and tried to estimate the re-

the job.

know which particular set up so that all payments quirements and did so. We pointed Who approved of this Company be- gentleman in the P.W.D. Instructed be entered into the disbursements exact parilculars, but I could supply out that the cost of timber would be ing

approved by

sou to engage their services?-Mr account. That is how the item gotThe next item says $08.40. What proximately so much.

The re-Brockert checked the figures be- Campbell was the executive engineer in, and it was therefore taken out. amount was approximately so cause we were concerned in keeping and approved of all these items. much. I personally discussed with the cost down.

Another item is payment of $10 was that for?-It was for fan blades

which we manufactured. Campbell that we should protect

that for?-Penalty for overleeding a

Another item ourselves to recure sufficient material

They are as capable as Leigh and lorry which was conveying mucke Company $25. What was that says Office Appli- for the job.

Orange in estimating the damage? from the tunnels.

for? A month's hire on a calcula- The damage done to the buliding and the question

Who was prosecuted? We were. ting machine. of responsibility entered into it, so it was better toys permitting a contravention?—

Twice Charged For have an outside person make the sur-

Another Item contains a cancella- And you paid the fine? Yes. lion on a voucher to double charge You were fined, for which rather than ourselves or they

the $1,625.50. What was that for?-A Government paid and you charged bill In There is nothing in writing about ten per cent, on that? The Govern- twice.

was charged for engaging their services? I will have ment instructed us to go ahead, and to look that up.

If it were chargeable twice, did we were sometimes hauled up for you pay twice and

were you re- overloading.

funded back?-I cannot think it was deducted because of an

Soy. error in the statement.

were

you7-Mir

You

wero to

Did Mr Campbell approve of the the Lake it they have archllects in to the police magistrate. What was]

employment of the Oriental Trons- portation Company? Yes.

vey

P.W.D.7-Yes.

It.

What month was that?-September Am I correct in saying that they and October,

got more than three-quarters of the Right at the start of the job? work?At that singe, yes. I don't Yes, I was so concerned, that I sug-know if the figure holds true for gested that Government should re-most of the work. gulate the price of timber.

In

April 1041, I see they were paid You gave that opinion

to Mr $7.

7,000, and the figures go right up to Campbell? What was his reaction? July 31, 19417-Yes, we still employ

I believe he suggested to Govern-them. ment that some arrangement be You will agree with me that from made whereby Government could re- these disbursements that the particu- quisition supplies for the tunnel job, iar company got more than three-

Government did not do that?-No. quarters of your Company's business? Cost Of Coolie Hire

Nothing Done

When you speak of Government,

is it the P.W.D. to whom you com-

Yes..

No other

Very Efficient transportation

If there is another In writing I would like to have it, Mr Carman Very well.

Here is an Rem for $1.50 for person called Chang. What companies and ferry fare for the delivery them that they should purchase tinito quote prices? We received some

and Mr. Pearce.

was

of

For

thens.

error

an item the Office Appliance Com- disbursements and asked: There is The Chairman dealt with further

municated this opinion and warned from othomimates were called for that for?-The cost of coolie hire could overload to a certain extent any $B, what was that for?-It was bor at once?-I told Mr Campbell from time to time, but it was dit.one case of machinery parts from the he understood the police had been

flcult to secure a company with

In spite of that warning, they did suffelent number of trucks who

-not-acl-on-your-advice?-In-so-far could remove-the-muck-from-the love"

tunnel faces fant

as nothing was done, I presume they Orient

did

enough. The

Com

paid

Understanding With Govt The Government instructed you to a arrangement made with the PW.D. overload the trucks? There was an whereby it

by it was understood that, we Mr Carman was heard to say that Payment for a calculating machine. steamer Torrens at Kowloon Godowns informed of the arrangement.

Do you know who authorised the to the ARP, tunnel alte No. 1.

purchase of that?--Mr Campbell Who is Chang? He is our chief

The Chairman: Were the instruc-signed the bin. Hew

was sent specially hand, but I will

tions-in-writing? I can't say off-

Another-item says Hongkong and Shanghal Bank $3,822.83. What was the machinery parts were

make Transportation

Arcading to what vestigations. required. Rather than trust the P.W.D., with the connivance of machinery

you say, then for?-It was payment for Would it be correct to say that had certainly were very emelent. I have

charged him with the the Police Department.

purchased

and they done so, the total cost of tim-watched them at work.

told you you

you through the Bank. bor subsequently purchased would Were tenders called for?-No, we The Chairman referred to further

could commit a criminal offence by Who did you purchase that from? bo much lower7-Undoubtedly. had no time to advertise for tenders, disbursements from January 1 to 18, overloading the truck? The police

iceThe Atlantle Gul

Gulf and Consequently everything would We started the job overnight and 1041. He asked: Here is an item, much coul

make certain regulations as to how Company of Manila. have been affected on the cost of the found difficulty in getting transport Pang Chick and Tam, $16.750. What regulations, gather, can be adjust-Wint was that for?-It was payment much could be overloaded. The Another item says K. C. Lee $5.80, Job?Undoubtedly,

was that for?-Five thousand pieces under certain circumstances. The for cash handed out by K, C. Lee, an Payments For Dynamite

rallce vary their regulations, as in April 6 to 15, 1941, for visiting sites. assistant surveyor, for bus feres from state of emergency.

If that is so, why did they travel by bus to the sites?-Various Are all your employers allowed to rosecute? That was the arrange- ment at the time. I am not clear in employees have to travel by bus. his instance, and have to get full

Widow's Compensation information.

Winking At The Law

M

me.

at that

Did you subsequently advertise to of sleepers at $3.35. The Chairman then referred 10 a-We wanted from the company South Wales hardwood.

see if you could get cheaper icnders? What kind of aleepers?-New list of general disbursements for the working for us value for the money Five Dozen Lead Pencils perlod December 1 to 15, 1040.

The Chairman: The first three speed required.

and service nec

necessary due to the

Here is an item, Hongkong Youth items say Hongkong Government, Do

Society, $5. What was that for?- you suggest that the Oriental Five dozen lead pencils at $1 $4,857.72. ditto $4.002, and ditio, Transportation Company is the only dozen. That was for the job and per $1,830. What are those?

company in Hongkong capable of doused in the store-house at Site No. 1. Carman: They are payments ng this work?--I do not say that for dynamite.

What were the penells used for? but they were very The

efficient and next three items say C. T. satisfied

requirements

For checking from

the in and out of sup- $9.448.87, $1,420 and $9,178.37. tand point.

that piles in

in the store and checking the are they for?-These are all It there were ather arms which

londs of

of muck. pay-rolla for the week ending Dore as efficient, would it not be more cember 10 and December 17,

Who le C. T. Yunn? He is the pay-master,

And he signs the receipt for these?

Yuan,

What

It was not used in the office?-No. Another Hem prudent to call for tenders?-1 University, $45. Can you tell

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Here are two items. The widow jof Tam Fung $10 and $00. What We want to know which individual were they for? They were com- the Government told Mareman's pensation to the widow of a carpenter they could break the law of this who had died of cholern.

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Why do you have to pay her com- pensation?I shall have to look up the facts.

Another item says V. G. Evans, $3.20. What was that for?--I should

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to get more information on that. Who is Evans? He is apparently surveyor, but I am not sure. Here is an item The internationa! Assurance Company $3,270.53. What was that for?-It was payment in connection with our Jilablilty polley.

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Was that payment for the whole year I will have to supply you with that information.

The next item says E. D. Aroozoo, $17, What

Was that for? The amount was incurred in transporting drilled steel from Needle Hill Mine Site No 1 in connection with blast curtain

Another Item says E. W. Black-

experiments. more, $17. What was that for?-It- was for one gallon of white ant cure for the benches.

The next item refers to the name of the same gentlemen and has been cancelled. Why?—I don't know what it was for.

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Work: Done. "Well The Chairman: That concludes

The Chairman:" Before we adjourn our examination. Mr Carman, sub-

I should like to make one point ject to certain items on which you quite clear. A suggestion has beca have undertaken to give us informas made by a solicitor that we are Li Hing-po, 20, Police Constable, tion, Will you let us know when your job well, Mr. Corman Thore lawas charged before Mr G. T. Lowry. suggesting that you are not doing attached to the Central Police Station, you will have that information ready no such suggestion from any of us

Mr Davidson: I should like to at all, I should like you to get that demanding $20 from Lo Ying with at Central Magistracy to-day with take this opportunity of re-examin- quite clear. From what we have menaces at the Tak Wan Teahouse, In Mr Carmen on certain points.

The Chairman: You can let me bron done quite well. We are in- seen of the tunnelling work it has have the questions,

Mr Davidson, and quiring whether it could have been I will put them. The position of a done cheaper. solicitor here is that he is entitled

to be present at the whole of the conte questions through the Chair con ask

Mr Davidson. I wont

Speed

Mr Carming: Thank you very much

Bonham

Strand, East, on Septem- Mr WA. Mackinley

ber 0.

Barondant, mate

Defendant" was remanded for

wish week, bail being fixed at $2,000,

Mr Davidson (to the Chairman); Det Sargeant Nolan in charge of Could you say it cost plus ton for the coldest fo permission sent is in proper one in tile case

to reexamine, Mr Carman on certain any findings until the Inquiri paints

The Chairman:1 cannot give you for having accepted that Chairman If you will put that Maraman's ware-

over fil however, foultr

to the 7 will put them. tract by GovernmentAG Wur P

per cent, and no and blanketh ma