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Yesterday's Full Dress Debate.

Yesterday's debate in the Legislative Council on the second reading of the Mai Tsai Bill proved to be a lengthy and, at times, rather a heated one. We have not the space available to give all the speeches.

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 1923.

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"Erroneous Suppositions.” to legal enactments but by grailial

follows: "Therahy decl people by requiring them register their ici-tsai, to report pressure of enlightened publie These arguments were not allow- and enacted that no payment any change of address, and when- opinion, until we see to-day middle-ed to stand in the way of the money to the parents, »ort ever they leave the Colony with a aged dames and young girls, instead abolition of the system of slavery guardians, or the employer of aki-toi, even temporarily, I do of being carried on the backs of in the British Colonies and 1 fear female child, such-payment p not agree with the supporters of, smaha, merrily" tripping about in that it is impossible to allow argu-porting to be in return für the Bill that registration in this the streets in short skirts and high meats of the same kind to stand transfer of the child, confers up case would not cause undue incon heeled shoes, just like their West. in the way of the abolition of any person any right of prope venience, judging by the smoothern sisters,

What has happened system of keeping muitai in in the child, or the right to reta working of the laws governing the to foot-binding should happen to Hongkong. The hon. member who possession, custody, or control registration of births and deaths, the custom of keeping muitas

the child, either as against spoke on behalf of all the Unofficial child's parent, guardian, a schools, companies, and medical

Members commented on the refer-player, or an against the ch practitioners. This arguing an

ence to "certain persons" who had herself." The debate was opened by the totally wrong premises. A little Hon. Adr. H. E. Pollock, who in thought will convince any the course of a long speech, partial person that it is one thing explained certain objections to to have, for instance, a birth or parts of the Bill and asked school registered, and quite fur amendments. A resume of other to have to report every this speech we gave yesterday, tended removal of a mai-bai from the Colony, even temporarily, and

very change of address "of mui-taki or of the employer,

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"erroneously supposed certain In support of this "amandine things, in cleases.of the Bill, add Sir, I would say that it seems he suggested that those "certain me a far more direct and deln persona” who had made "erroneous statement of what you mea suppósitions" were all the 300 ur effect, than the present declarat 400 million inhabitants of China clause 2, which begins in a roas It seems to me that may cancer- about sort of war. "where" cart ably be the case: that these four persona havn erroneously

posed, etc."

One-Sided Agitation. Let me now recapitulate the views my Chinose colleague and myself, which I think I can say, are sise the views of my other softial colleagues, namely, that to make illegal the engagement of must in Hongkang at this juncture would be impracticable, that, as a pro. The Chinese View.

rentire of ill-treatment of market, The Hon. Mr. Chow Shou-son

person guilty of gros cruelty for tire bundred millions had an should be sent to prison for a long erroneous fession, though, as the "certain persons" cannot p Your Excellency has stated t prefaced his speech by giving. Kowloon 21

Identification Tickets categorically, all the points for

term with hard labour." It has we have heard here today, the sibly refer to the 300,000,000 Further, according to the Bill, the been a source of regret to me that, system was declared to be unla 100,000,000 people living in Chi and against the measure which Enwlooo 633

bave been raised during the past employer, whatever his station in while the case for stopping the ful in the Mancha Dynasty and but they must be restricted to few weeks by different sections of life, has to take out an identifica employment of muni has been subsequently, in the time of the first 600,000 Chinese in this Colo STEAM LAUNCH FOR SALE. the Chinese community. Hetion ticket, as if (to use the words

so ably and widely presented, thuse Republic. I am not quite clear whe. But, Sir, I would beg leave to po proceeded

of a Chinese gentleman) he were who are in favour of retaining thether they bad good grounds for their out, with deference, that this Now, I have given, to the bestja discharged convict who has of my ability, the arguments pat periodically to report himself to stem for the present, with car belief, but I should like to make not so, because the number

Are not mui-traï who are in Hongkong forward by the various parties, for the police! Moreover, registra-tain radical improvements in their a strong point that we and against the measure. Then in this case, if to be effective. position have, until caly quite legislating for the 400 millions ofļa very trifling percentage inde Ensli Secretary of the Anti Mui- would necessitae domiciliary visits recently, remained almost inarti-China but for the 600,000 odd in. The witsei, who have fer ti Society has also

which would open a

Beer to a culate. I say this because I wish habitants of a British Colony. This their way to Hongkong, come fr

within tha that both sides had had no equal is a matter which must be decided-outside-from letter giving a gist of the views of sorts of phases, such as bribery, Bis Executive Committee on

the thieves masquerading as detectives chance of presenting their respec-with all due regard. to Chinese Empire of China itself, which Bill which I have handed to at gain admission into houses, andise mers to the Secretary of sentiment and prejudice-en he subject, as we know, to auch vị Honorable the learned Auomes

Interfetence with the privacy of State. Those in favour of the Bill principles of British law and he severe and distressing scopor conditions, with famine preval General Er is consideratie.

the home-a thing repugnant to all have hubtedly been actuated sentiments of British morality,

in very large areas. With Rega and lofty geberoda motives

No Compromise. jan, however, asked to

free men. Registration of mantras s

Six, to your observation aboitt YAY Lege

The main point of the Bill is desirability of the present syste will not prevent their maltreatment deals, but I am afraid that their that what they recommend consti

I must confess I have found it w irreducible minimum. 12 mere than registration of shup-burning zeal has not permitted that the system of keeping m

On that difficult to apply that observat [tokis will prevent thefts and em them to study the problem with must be abolished -Beet, they support the Bill, with

hezzlements. Rather than have that calmness

and impartiality point, I have definite instructions to the remarks which-bava bi amenduents this registration law imposed on which the importance of the sub-from the Secretary of State who made by myself or by my Chin which they Consider, should! them the employers of mai-teciiegt «lemands." I do not keep, and represents the British Government colleague. And, furthermore, & strengthen it. My Chines

would sooner give them up at have never kept, any mustuni, bat and the British people. There can I must have expressed myself y league and I have also received once, either to the Government or this does not blind me to the ua-be no compromise on that poiat: indifferently if you have not From the Chinese Labour Unions, to such institutions as the Govern- windota of trying to sweep away the system must be abolished, prehended the fact that my wh

.... Chinesr Y.M.C.A.. andment would name. Thia

contention is that clause 2 of t would | in a day the custoan with its good | aut il 11:0 system. ia to be YW.CA.. the Chinese Christian mean that the Government has to points. My Chinese colleague and abolished I can

B absolutely shatters the m Enion and the Chinese General provide accommodation and

reason tsak system as it hitherto exist find have given this grave problem why you should ne:

50. say

that it brings it to an end de Chamber of Commerce written re-employment for the mai-tsei, of much careful and anxious thought;For that reason f

think it is pletely, that it does away with presentations which we be like whom there are about ten thousand and, while we recognise that there necessary-in fact essential to possibility of its being represen wie turned tons to the Govern in the Colony. As a correspondent is touch to be said for the argu- keep clause 4 in the Bill, but I am either as a servile condition ar

to the Chinese General Chamber ofments adduced by both sides, we quite prepared to accept any a proprietary condition. Haring, divested" myself of the Commerce has said, there are un-have felt it our bounden duty to alternative form of words which task imposed upon me by the two fortunately very foundling state. as I have done, the

will convey the same Impression. ¥03- sides, of re-stating their opinions house in Hongkong or in China, clasions we have arrived at without But there can be no compromise shall ask Your Excelleney to m here, I will endeavour to express and so the present homes of the fear or favour.

on this point: that hereafter mo the views of my Chinese colleague autrui constitute a sort of found for us, to signify our support

person can be allowed to have a by and by in clause 12 of 1 and myself. We feel that whereing house for them, otherwise a

mui-taci in

Bill will make the point his employment in the amendments which will be British territory. there is a divergence of opinion, it large pumber of them would haveved in committee by the Honour.

stronger, perhaps, than it present. I do not say that is not enough for a member of this been drowned by their parents able Senior Crucial Member.

The matter of registration is, to system, as it has existed hither Honourable Council merely to ex-starved to death.

my mind, not of the first import is satisfactory. If I thought The Secretary of State has were satisfactory I should app this Bill in toto. I do not do th

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II. E. The Governer: Gentlemen, expressed his readiness to listen

before we pass un to the next to any arguments against the im-

System Not Satisfactory, And the amendments whic

nor do my bonourable colleagu

age of the Bill I desire to make position of registration in these we realise that a considara a few general remarks on the sub.matters and will, no doubt, weigh part of this measure is desira

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press the views, however impartial- Education of Public Opinion. iv. of the people whom he repre- Hongkong is so bound up with sent He should also weigh the Canton, geographically and ec no- vulus of the condicting arguments, mcally, that to stop the employ endeavour to unravel the web otment of distrai „fter the Bd be-

I should like, in the first very carefully what has been said in the interests of, and for confusion woven by the d-puta- comes law as pre-cribed by clause een

clear by the hon. senior Chinese memprotection of mui-tsai. tion, and form his own judgment, would be impracticable unless place, to make it perfectly In expressing our owe conclusions China auts Bewise! I am of the

that I dissueinte myself entirelyber in deciding what instructions tainly do not contend that t

he shall give with regard to bring our honest convictions-it would hurrie opinion that no real im from the venominis attacka which the necessary for me

time concured have been made on the whole the reserved portion of the Billable. Your Excellency has

na into fores what may be called measure, treating it as a who over provement of

is either unnecessary or undes some of the grounds already trial custom can be effected by Chinese pulition of this country that is the part of the Bill that is ferred. incidentally, versed, but I know

The by ignorant pitsona at Home who coming into force by proclamation laws which are stated to have be court sudden and violent inance. upon a patient hearing.

w-deni stem has been in exis- seem to assume that because n With regard to the other miner passed in China. Bat I can sa The Crux.

tense for thousands of gears have system is Bable Cha abuse it is amendments of the hon. member. Sir, that from all I learn the The crux of the

At the Mr. Pollock, I think many of them laws are no more ink grown up under the economic therefore essentially bad. seems

carried f 12v us to be whether a multaat endigions of e.

same time, I think it must be ad. may, with advantage; be adopted force and are of no more av a slave or 55% if

we put Heity that has

mitted that there is, from the 2nd I should like to say now that than are the laws for the supps she should not tolerate the system fe given to the question should help | Western point of view, a

i am much obliged to Strong

the hensten of opium in China, and the ever one day longer in this Colony: materially to bring about tax ** case against the maintenance of amber, although I cannit agres fore, I think we may treat th

with his views in some instances, | but this point 14 disposed of by tuinmang of this object. The best | system which, 10 tie unsubtle

for the

as a negative quantity. I think trouble which he has necessary to say that, because clause 2 of the B. Sti, in spite method to this end would seem to

Western mind, is very difficult to taken in endeavouring to get this want to make the position of t

mater

The wide

recently Deen

to

cert

of such a definite pronouncement be a gradual and careful education) distinguish from slavery owing to Bill into the best possible shape Unofficial Members of this Comm from the Government, we cannus of public opinion.

the passing of money and the so that it may serve its object cf get away from the fact that cases

| of cruelty have from time to time

again urge that it is far mo

The Andi Mui-tsal Society and tim ; arquisition of services which are protecting the interests tfmi-taci, perfectly clear. That is all I ha Pavorcioni anelety can 35

IN subsequently unpaid. The argu-while causing the least possible

to say on clause 2 of the Bill: come to light. We, therefore, con- the carrying ont of the presentments which have been brought friction and difficulty. The re- sider that the mul-fsci need special | full by having all muistiti informed forward with regard to the general maining points raised may be dealt phatic and far more direct protection by the Government. of their states 33 declared nontentment of the wui.te and with more suitably on the indivi-say that "it is bereby declared a

While I abhor cruelty to children clause, and of their right to *

the general excellence of the system dual clauses of the Bill as they enacted," instead of trying and consider a fize. however heavy-part at are to the inverom.-at may very likely be perfectly correct, arise. It is proposed and second refer to erroneous suppositions totally inadequate for offenders.in case they are ill-treated; and have very little doubt that many ed that the Bill be read a second certain persons with reference I agree with those who hold that also by advising employers to treat

the mutai system. time. of the statements are; I have very the present Bill would not deter their own well, otherwise they little doubt that ninety per cent.

The second reading of the Bill

I do not think, Sir, It is the small number of people, who would be punished revopoly..

was then carried.

erroneous supposition. I belie In Committee.

the custom in China is that t The Attorney-General moved payment of money does confer co

imprisonment with hard labour.

It of the statements are correct. But

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are by nature cruel, from fl-treat-o be remembered, as analogous if any hon. member will take the ing their mui-trai- For such people 1 advocate a long term or to this matter, that the tent Wrling i trable to read up the literature that the Council go into. Committee tain rights for a period of yea

practice which had been i -x-4-

of the early past of the blueteenth to consider the Bill clause by at all events till the girl attal I strongly deprecate, as

tene in China for nearly twe then eratury you find do all

unmerous clause. The Colonial Secretary the age of eightem' years, 't Honourable my

Unoticial coland gears, no which

as į pamphlets of West Indies Societies sexcnded and this was agreed to. marriageable age. I do not thi leagues, the introduction of regiz recently as trenty-Ēse years agh, precisely the sanie argument pr Hon. Mr. Pollock said: I beg it is at all incorrect. It is not tration. Endless Inconvenience tenaciously clane to be the pemple, dari in almost exactly the same to move an amendment in Clause erroneous aupposition, it is a tr and trouble would be caused to the was eventually abutishert, not by wards with regard to negro slavery. 2, to make it direct and to run as

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