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go through the books to tell you."

These so that you bought Mt. Carmichael and Mr. Murphing April where dil you get them front would take ine a week to Work it out:

I want you to being me at the most sitting, if you can, all the contracts that you have?What is left;"

No.

Have you not all your contracts

What have you done with them While I won in Japan my home was romored from echten Road Frendi Town, and my slice was also lost lots of them. I will give you what Did you lose any contracts have

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I havo Irure.

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About this No. 2 book, when tid you become aware that you had lost it A few days after I had taken it to Mr. Mckean. It was producul to Mr. Jones, and was in Court. I do not remember Mr. McKean giving it

back to me.

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Mr. Douglas-1 think it is quito runprecedented for counsel to lead his cross-oxamination with a lesture as to what he should or should not do..

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Mr. Oppe-You still lose your head ?--Not lose iny, hand, but I watconfused. Twas very nervous, and I corrected it afterwards in a lottor. I thought he would give mon chance to explain myself. I have never done anything against government or law,

Mr. Oppe-I think what I pay to the witness is correct. If you do thing you need not think that I

trying to lay traps for you, and Mr. Oppa-You are not con- you must remember that you refused just now -You can go on confusing ano, nevor mind. on oath,

(Laughter.)

In answer to counsel witness said that the name of his book-

Mr. Oppo-Well, wo will take

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myself lost their heads."

Alr. Oppo-You see now the valuo. of looping books? No, not up to the present momðut. (Laughter.);

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His Worship-Rathor losing a book. (Renowed laughtor.)

Mr. Oppo-On April 7th Whito sold 400 Batu Anams at Tls. 21, and on the 7th of April if you look at Murphino's account you will find you sold him 100 at Tls. 22. On the same day you sold keeper was Tinsley. He left him it you are not confused.You ex-200 Batu Anims to Carmichael at. TlB. 22. You say that Carmi- not know where he was new. These to swer these questions. chol's shares were bought from

the oud of July and witness didact me to be a lawyer like your-

Somekh. What did you do with clark kopthencounts in irituess's Renowed Haughtor).

Mr. Opp if I put this quos-the shares you bought from olive on the Bund. When witness tion to you, you mean to say White?-Ile bought them back. made a contract he put it on a

Mr. Oppe-Then where did the piodo of paper and would hand that you hovor owned, any shares. this to his clork three or four in any of theso companies between sharos you sold to Murphingcome, times a day. They would be en March and Juno? What is your from? I don't know where they tered by the clerk and the pieces answer I said No, but I have are. They may be in the noxe book. They must be somewhere. of paper destroyed. They kept

Mr. Oppe-Yoir answer is that Mr. Oppo-At what did you Mr. Douglas said that Mr. McKean daily transaction book, At was now in Cunit, and he suggested the roquest of Mr. Oppo witness you had no shares Allotted to soll theso shares back to White? that it would expedite matters to inter-produced the settlement account mo, it may lotter to Mr Jones-I sold them back on the 12th od 13th April, so he made Tla. Mr. Oppo-Mr. Matthews re- profit. which to gavo to the Stock Ex-coyors that, chango, this setting out accounts

Ar. Douglas-Ho has got tho. with different ellents., In this pots that you made out of job- SH. Mokuan, stern, statel that he account there were other namosing transactions or stood to witness'd account that cream had noted as Mr. Michael's solicitor than those appearing in the two maleon jobbing transctions about stancos had forced him to do job, He consultet witness in Desauber with books but having nothing to do 30,000 for the June settle.bing transactions. It is there. reference to his suspension from the with the settlement. In this Mengut. If the settlement had Stock Exchange. Witness asked to Somokh's name was in the witness gone through proporly you would Beo his huks, and Mr. Michael pro-handwriting and all the others o made about Tls. 30,000. due d'cort sin boks, incle liug his bank were in the clerk and writing. Do you agree with that or do book, paying-in book, chepne besk ́and nistes contin tion f his wat hook except three written in pencil. you deny it low-eau I agree for the Jane settlement. This book These four items, including Mr.or deny it? You can work it i-a continuation book and. witness asked Somek's name, wore shown to out yourself if you like.

Mr. Oppo- the books show to see the previous book before going the representative of the pool. He into the matter. Witness, as far as i had had very little tino to draw it then it is truo?Ono book could, checked the continuation, bok up the schedule, and when mak-not show trite; he has got with the other holes, and then holding the settlement ho was afraid to go to the other one. it back to Mr. Mina tel. He asked the latter for his previous book, and wide quently it was obtained from Mr. Jous Witness believed he hid had the

Juse his evidence at daze.

Mr. Oppu said that it would by cn venient to hit also if this cute were adapted...

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he would forget these four item and next day Bo put them in him- self. Thore was The 11,800 his favour. It was his own money

continuation beat; back to Afr. Michael:whitch he had lent. ho could not find it in his office,

Croan-examined by. Mr. Oppe-Mr. Michael handed witness a dópy of his settlement account for June, as handed to the Stock Exchnuge. Witness handed this copy over to Mr. Daiglas, Witness's interview with a mad took place between the end of November and December 22. Acurel's books were han fet over to Messrs. Law, High and Matthews on or about Devonlar 28.

„Mr. Oppo--We don't want that. Witness-But you have to tako it laughter.) Witness went on to explain that ho had entered the four items next morning, the first in ink and the others in peric. In the account Mr. Kaddorie had to pay witness Ts 250 Ho had to receive from him 100 Chempedaks, 200 Ayar Ta- By his Worship-The continuati book was about half-fall, Winess wahs, and 200 Krowoɔks,” tried, to check whether any profit ba | Mr. Oppo ask witness to look passed to Mr. Michael on his-trans-through his contract form to seo nation for the June setilment.

whother he had all the contracts with Me: Kadoorie,“

Mr. Opp askel Mr. Douglas to bring into Court at the nest sitting all the banks, dosen's and tract notes in bis ellent's "pisession loving

-referenen to, thé bmio sotthonunt.

Mr. Douglas sail that he would bring everything held inty Court. He aste his Worship not to sit the filling afternoon if it were found impassibly to finish the cast in the morningg

The Court than a journed"antil (10) a.m. test day,

Isaac Rayniond Michael again appeared in H. B. M's Polico- Court, Shanghai, on the 15th to answer the following-elingo

This required sovoral minutes,

Mr. Oppo-Very well, I do not need to go into the mutter..

Mr. Oppe-Ou, some of these transactions you miado a profit? If you had asked me two of three days after the suttlement I should have been able to answer quos tions of this sort. It all looks to mo as a dream.

Ma. Oppe-1 you deny you made a profit-I do not dony it or the other way about,

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received, first, the buying or the brokers who were members of the Mr. Oppo-You thought you selling order I cannot really Exchange and also with principals.

toll you,

Witnoss did business for tho would carry on?-Yos

Mr. Oppo-But you wanto to His Worship-Can you explain June'sottoment with the follow- muko suflicient mcndy to pay for how, Mr. Sonokh'a namo was loft ing members of the Exchango thoso shares for the June settle-ont of the settlement schedulo? Birli, Marshall, Deanett, Anton, ment? I tell you my erodit was It was on tho 28th June, in the Ollordesson, Micheland Skokury. good for Tis. 100,000,

evoning. Thoro was a rush. With Michael ho did the following Mr. Oppo-You wanted to make Thoy gavenshilf an hour to bring business-hold to deliver to a fairly big sum during the dune our schedulo to arrive at the do- Michael 200 Ayer Tawahs, 200 settlement?-No, I have not got, ficioney in order to meet the set-Batu Anuams, 300 Sinks, and any such ambition,

tlement and we wore rushed vory receive from him 500 Ánglo Mr. Oppo You did minko » quickly. Evoryno of us. went Javas. Witness produced his fairly big sum if the Juno settle to his office to bring the schedule. settlement book, a duplicate book, ment had gone through?—I was. My clerk as I say was now to the Land thy contract notos with Mr. not other promotor or director sindss-I had employed him, Mielmol for Juno, Witness was (Laughter.)

only three months, he was work-not-an inside broker. Insido His Worship A very sensilloing at it and I hustled him. brokers dealt with entside brokers answer, Mr. Michael.

Someone telophonod to ask me and treated them us principals, Mr. Oppai don't follow it, about the settlemont, why, it was charging them brokomigo. Wit

postponed. We hustled and gaveness hover neule contracts for you Worship.

His Worship-Itisquito a good them the schedule and they brokers, as a rule they mado out arrivod at. tho deficiency. Tho the contracts. On rare occasions answer to your question.

Mr. Oppo-As a matter of fact next morning it came to my mind they asked witness to do it for the money you recoived from tho that I had not put in four names, them. Witness-produced thio Stock Exchange pool wont to pay The first was Mr. Somskh's and I counterfoils of his contract notes. Cross-examined-Wilitess was for these Souawangshuros Yos, wrote his name in ink and the if they didn't receive it they would others in poncil. I had to give not sure that ho sent Mr. Michael not have paid me Tis. 234,000. Mg. Tabbali Tls. 556, The athora copy of the contract for the 200..

Mr. Oppo And the money you two, whose names I need not. Siaks. He took these copies out

The contracts witness... received from the Stock Exchango mention, owel mo noney from himself. or the Cathay Trust included the December 1909. I financed them had handed in that morning were profits you had made by broker-and they gave me a promissory his own contracts; there was no ago?—At first I was not willingnoto for March. In March they counterfoil ontry for those, but it

receive it. It was forced on mo. could not pay and I ronowed their was noted at the top of the book," Mr. Oppo-Well, the monoy promissory noto till June, so in When Mr. Michaol bought shares that was forced on you covered duty bound I said "what I have from witness ho naked witness to make out the contract. Witness the pries of the shares you had got, lot them havo it all."

His Worship-Yourclerk made | bought the Anglo-Javas from Mr. taken up and your jobbing pro- „fits?--Yes, the money that was up that account on the 28th. Michaol and the latter made out forced on me against nty wish to Did you check it the next morn- the contract. Two contracts pro- accopt it, this stone mill ou mying right through, with your duced wore in Michael's hand- neek and other things, add all my books? No, my clerk was not writing. profit and commissions.

thero. I had to rush to the Ex- Mr. Oppo-Are you aware that Witness was unable to produce change to do the soilloment on | Mr. Michael said yesterday that one contract with Somekh and the 20th.

ho nover mundo out the contracta himsolf, but that his clork nádo one with Kadoorie.

them out for him?

Mr. Oppo-You have made a complaint that the Stock Ex chango asked you to sign a bank raptey notice against Carmichael?

Mr. Oppo slal pat the

Mr. Oppe-On the 11th Marck question to you differently?

linary man work with ono at 15 and sold them in different Can any ordiaring oxtra-you purchased 2,000 Anglo-Javas book and say I made that. I lots at prices ranging from 15 to should say it is not necurato. 21. If you did that you mado à Any accountant would say the proft-It is a profit according same.

to the paper, but not in fact. Tho-Yes. market was going up and what am I to do? Give the shares back to Wattie? This sort of thing happens only once in a contury,

Mr. Oppa-You can put any accountant you like into it. Did you, make any profit or did you fuer any loss in jobbing trans actions for the June settlement? did not put the profit and loss down, I put it all in a lump

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Mr. Oppa-Now were not you asked by the Cathay Trust to sign that notice?The Exchange and the Cathay Trust.

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His Worship-What called your attention to Somek's account?-Baenuse I didn't want to forget it.

Witness said that ho did not know.

Mr. Douglas said. that he did not think Mr. Michael said that the clork made out all the con- tracts. Counsel could produce

His Worship With rogard to the 200 Ayer Tawals at 27. You say you thought you bought from Kadoorie at 282-Yes.

His Worship Then why, did ja selection of oach. you soll to Carmichael at 27?— Withoss, in further reply to Mr. Mr. Oppe-When you were ask Because Kadoorio gave me a con-Oppo, said that he doalt on his Mr. Oppo-If that was so your of first by the Cathay Trust, did-tract for 27, The mattor was own necount. Tho shares sold to answer to the Judge that won't you say that if the Stack Ex-still in dispute.

Mr. Michael wore mostly sold on million taels passed through your change asked you you would re- His Worship-But you wore witness's own account. The Ayer Mr. Oppe-Dil you ever make hands in the settlement but noneply said I was an agent for the Carmichael's broker?-Yos. Tavalis, withoss believed, woro Tho any transactions which would for yourself, is untrue-The committee.

His Worship-Thon why sold on his own account. have shown a profit?--I dare-balance in my pass book was not. Mr. Oppo-Tho committoo ask should you mako terms with Batu Auņams were sold partly on say there must be some profit increased.

of you and you said that if they Kadooric and not thinkabout your witness's own account. Witness and 'some loss.

Mr. Oppo-It put money into would withdraw your suspension client? I did think about my bought the 500 Anglo-Javas on Mr.. Oppe at this stage drow your pocket in one form or you would consider the matter? cliont. I tried very hard with his own account. He had deliver- and drow from Mr. Douglas the the attention of witness to the another?I cannot see that.

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Kadborie.

et the shares to Mr. Michael, but remarks: This is a criminalStatement of Jobbing Tran-

Mr. Oppo-Yon adinit solling Mr. Oppo-And that is how the His Worship Did you mention he could not say if he had any prusation. It is not a fishing sactions" compiled by "Mr. Mat-short in Langkats and Sumatras Stock Exchange game into the it to Carmichael? No, ho gave record of where he bought them. for the March settlement, and mitter?-No, I wanted to know mo a carte blanche, If. I had Witness did not keep my record expedition.

Oppe That statement wore caught?—Yos.

about my suspension,

mentioned the disputa to Caro- of his own privato "transactions shows that on the 11th of March

Mr. Oppo-You wanted to mako | c'inel and thien-called on him furuluss in a transaction there were yon bought 2000 Anglo-Jayas at lis. 15 from the firm of Wattie and Co. When you bought these 2000 Anglo-davas had you an order to buy them at that price? I am not in a position now to answer that question. If you had asked ine next day I could havo, told you. Neither could I answer any of these questions. It is like

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Mr. Oppe-The results of Mr. Matthews' investigations are that during this period prior to the Juno setflenient you jobbad to a fairly considorable extent, you admit that you jobbed during this period,?, ¿

Witnoss-had no intention to. job, but circunstances malo no. have lost my lead the same as any other one.

Mr. Oppo Answer yes or no; you em explain Inter.The word yes or no duos no cover your question. I have to give an ex- plination.

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drunken man asked when ho sober to repeat, what he said yesterday,

Mr. Oppo-And you lost more than Tls. 100,000? Where did you expect the Ths. 100,000 to come from in connection with the Senawangs which you had to deliver?--Nobody. If there was no settlement I should not have to deliver thuni..

Mr. Oppe-How did you expect to be able to pay Tls. 100,000 at the end of the June settlement?

Mr. Douglas-How do you ex- peet the brokers to pay a million

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Mr. Oppo- you dare to suggest that, at the end of the March settlement your credit was as good as gold? Yes..

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a bargain?--Bargain, . Thoy 27 I could not have got it. suspeniled me without any reisen. The committee without consulting the members, went into the room and in less than half hour handed me my suspension.

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Mr. Douglas (in ro-examina- tion)-Did other members of the Exchange make losses in March -Yes, heavy losses.

Mr. Douglas-As heavy as yours?-That I cannot tell, but they ward losses.

His Worship You didn't seem to realise that Carmichael was your client. You should have protected his interests. I have done all I could under the cir- cumstances to protect him..

His Worship And you didn't give this information upstairs ? No, I thought my lawyor would ask me for an explanation.

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Mr. Oppo-They did ask for an explanation, and you said it was clorical error.

many items, in which case hot kopt a slip of paper in his pocket, Witness knew in his own mind. how many shares he had over bought and how many over-sold, Mr. Oppe asked witness several questions on his books.

Mr. Douglas-1 am going to ask for a ruling whether this is relevant, in view of the fact that it was not considered relevant in the Supreme Court in the suit in which this is the subject of a pro- (Roads ention for porjury. Mr. Douglas said he proposed julgmont). Isubmit that it is to call Mr. Jones and Mr. Sumekk, not relevant here in this inquiry and to ask a few questions of Mr. before you Worship. I ask for a Read, the prosecutor. Mr. Ka-ruling. I am tired of it. doorio ho understood was not Mr. Oppo-No doubt you are

tired of it. here (in Shanghai).

The case was then adjourned.

Feb. 16,

Mr. Douglas-They are still in' the Exchange, are they not? Before G. W. King, Esq., Pulice

Magistrato. Yes,

Mr. Douglas-And some people made heavy losses for Juno?) Yes, very heavy to0,

Mr. Douglas-And they are still in the Exchange?—Yes.

Mr. Oppo-Don't you know you were asked to produce your books For that you Isaac Raymond,

to the committee and you refusod Michael on the 4th day of October,

to do so?-Seron of us refused. 1910, unlawfully, falsely, know

One party-I don't want to men- ingly, wilfully, corruptly and

tion his remo, he is in the oniploy maliciously did commit perjury

and a hall?

of the Committee gave up his in the testimony which you gave

Mr. Oppe-On the next day

Witness-If there was no sottle-books but six refused to hand over on oath as a witness at the trial of Mr. Oppe-1 know you have a you bought 1000 Anglo-Javns atment I neeil not pay Tls. 100,000. their books. an action entitled Yourself v W. very subtle mind, but you can Tls. 21. Can you remember?- Mr. Oppo-Wore you gambling V. Carmichael in which it boosplain afterwards. Did you as Tosave this court's time and your's, on that when you bought these came and was a inatorial question an netual fact job for the June I say now that I cannot remember shares that you would not have to

Mr. Oppe The final question pay for them?-No... whether you acted as a broker or settlement -I say I have lost my -not, to the following effect:— 2 head like the rest. The tide was this, "Have you been An- Mr. Oppo-When you bought

(1) That two soveral parcels of carried me.

terested otherwise than loker the shares from Noilsen did you 200 Ayer Tawah shares and one! Mr. Oppo-Then you did job?on bolat of your chents in the expect you would have to pay for parcel of 200 Batu Anam slures-I say I was carried by the tile. rise or fall of rubber shares?" thom? I sold them to Neilson wore sold by you as a broker to Mr. Oppo-To the Judgo you Your answer was, "No." and bought them back from him W. V. Carmichael and wore nude an answor that you did not Mr. Douglas-That is not the I told Neilsen in June that I bought by you as a broker on the do transactions on your own ne- subject of a charge.

would not be able to take them up. 30th March, 5th Aprik, and 7th | count?--I moant that I had no Mr. Oppé-1 can ask questions Mr. Oppo When you bought April respectively.

shares registero in my name, not upon it.

the sliares in March where did (2) That you had no transc-my own property.

His Worship lavo not fan-you expect to make the money to tions on your own necomt as Mr. Oppe-Another swored a charge on that.

pay for them My credit was as principal in the shuros of the coni-you gave to the Judgo was this, Mr. Oppe-The point is that: good as gold. ponies which were the subject that you never owned any shares Mr. Mielad, says he did not in- matter of the said action, being in any of the companies in which derstand, wint the Judge meant shares in the following rubber you had dealings with Carmichael. in the last question. The Judge companies, Talang, Ayer Tawah, You suit, "About Tis: 2,000,000 puts it in another form and he 'Batu Anam, and Auglo-Javu. passed through my hands at the answered--nd. Was that answer

Mr. H. S. Oppo prosocuted on Juno sottoment, but nothing for true? -behalf of the Committer of the myself.”—Was that unswór true? Witness-I have corrected it

Shanghai Stock Exchange, and You have to accept my explann-through Mr. Jongs: Mr. J. C. E. Douglas appeared for tion. There is my pass book. Mr. Oppe-Then that unswer the accused...

Mr. Oppe-When you made was not true? Well, I corrected The defendant was again under that answer to the Judgo did it afterwards, `_ ross-oxamination by Mr. Oppe. you mean to say that at the close Mr. Oppe (to witness)-1 am of the June settlement your ac- going to put a series of questions count in the Bank was in just 'as shortly as I can to you and 1 the same position as it was be- want you to answer them as fore?--Practically.

at Tls. 37. Can you say whether forward liability of Ts. 100,000? from your evidence that you fost shortly as you can. You must

M. Oppo-That was the mean- the shares sold to Vaughan and-Even if I could make one remember tluit as you have olecting of your answer?-YOR.. Mungall wore the same shares as portion of it, that is quite enough. ad to put in your dofence in this Mr. Oppo-Did you mean to say you bought from Ivy?--I say that My credit is good. I have not court, as you were entitled to do, that you never owned any shyrosweither myself nor the brokers done anyone any wrong. you are bound either to answer in any of the companios in which can tell.

Mr. Oppe-Was not it neces the questions or to say that you you bought shares for the deffond- Mr. Oppe Cat you say that sary for you to mako, during the cannot or will not answer them.unt? Did you understand the theso shares sold to Vaughan and Juno settlement, money to pay Mr. Douglas-I do not think it Judge to be asking you as to the Mungall at Tls, 37 were not thoso Neilsen for those shares-Not comes from counsel to give the state of your bank account at the bought at Tis. 34 from Ivy?—I necessarily. 'witness a lecture with the object close of the settlement 7-I was am not able to answer those quos- Mr. Oppe-Where was this of frightening or embarrassing, confused in the box and I do not tions. You might as well show money to come from with which him.

know what was in" my mind. mo a chart of the world and say you were to pay for theso slures Mr. Oppo-There is no obj sot When he said "own" I thought where is. Bagdad and whero is in June? To come from, what öf frightening him,

le meant my own property. Timbuctoo,

The publio and over I had got to pay back, and

REX v. I. R. MICHAEL This was an adjourned hearing of this caso.

Mr. H. S. Oppo appeared to prosecuto and Mr. Douglas for the defence.

His Worship What is the ob ject of it, Mr. Oppo?.

Mr. Oppe-Those books invo been put in and I am cross. examining to show the value of the banks.

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Ilis Worship-Will you object" to each question which you con- sider irrelevant, Mr. Douglas ? cannot make a goneral ruling. Mr. Oppo-Mr. Douglas, in September too?--Yes, they are Mr. Douglas-And inade losses

Mr. Douglas said that at the last not been slow to object so far.

Mr. Douglas-It is evident. insolvent, the Exchange is houring Mr. Oppe, on behalf of the insolvent. By my action they prosecution, soemod very anxions that Mr. Oppo has not found were afraid I would report them to cover the whole of Mr. Michael's is case quite what it miglit Mr. Oppo-Could you got phyto Hongkong under the Hong-accounts with Mr. Somekh and have beon and that he is out broker to come in and coufirin kong Ordinance for the way they Mr Kadoorie. MrMichael's to find something else. that?-Certainly. I don't owe had deceived the Government. contracts with these gentlemen

Tho cross-examination was re- ten cents to anyone in Shanghai. They only lind power to borrow a liad all been produced except the sumed and Mr. Oppeasked witness Mr. Oppo-Be very careful few hundred or thousand taels contract with Mr. Somokh for 200 if he could produce his other please.I don't owe any money for the milding, and they im- Siaka and that with Mr. Kadooris book which he said he kept at except for last month's stores, mediately became bankrupt bylor 200 Kreworks. Counsel had his office. household exponses."

Mr. Douglas objected that it was borrowing a million and a half been able by a further soarch to

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Mr. Oppo-On 5th of April you bought 400 Anglo-Javas from Mr. Oppo-Did you expect to and saddled soven of us with this find the contract with Mr. Kadoorio irrelevant. The case the pro- Ivy at Tis. 34 and you sold 200 mako sufficient commissions dur-mill-stone around our nocki, for 200 Krawaks, so that left secution opened was that thero to Vaughan and 200 to Mungalling Jung to pay off that dout, that Mr. Douglas-Do Finniderstand

that in being saddled with this debt it was not what you intended and not what you meant?-No, didn't mean it.

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only tlio contract, for 200 Sinks missing. Counsel could produce Mr. Somel's ant of the contract, and perhaps in a further search defendant's half might be found as 3r. Jones had sono contracts which counsel had not yet examined, although lo had gone through one file.

was no record of any transactions with Mr. Somokh and now this evidence was produced Mr. Oppo said that it was bagus.

Mr. Oppo said that he requir ed some evidence in addition to the contracts.

Witnoss-Youcan see the book. It has nothing to do with Michael at all,

Mr. Douglas-It was not your intention to he saddled with any legal debts to the extent of four likhs?—No, it is slavery.. --S. S. Somolch said that he was

Mr. Douglas-You wore cross principally a bill and bullion Witposs said that ho could examined na to your ability to broker, but he also did share not say where the shares he do remember whether you received broking. He did share broking livered to Michael came from or orders to buy bofore you bought for the Jung settlement: He did in whose names they were re 1000 Anglo-Javas. Is it possible a good deal of business for that gistered. Some of the shirres to remember which order you settlement. He did business with witness had in his safe, Wits