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THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH, FRIDAY MAY 12, 1905.

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we now understood that a new thoroughfare, now in the initial stage of survey, will connect Castle Peak with Shataukok, a large market city just over the borders, near Starling Inter in Mirs Bay. The road will be some twenty one miles in length and will be an important thoroughfare.

MR. W. H. Trenchard Davis, hon, secretary of the Hongkong Volunteer Reserve Association informs us that the King's Park Range, Kow long, 100 yards will be available for shooting to-morrow from two to six d'clock. First-shoot for Governor's Cup (a very handsome Japanese Silver bowl) and a pool. The sunshade erect- ed over the firing point affords members ade,

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HONGKONG, FRIDAY, MAY 13, 1905.

RUSSIA'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

Elaborate accounts of the resent fights in

Baku, and in Russian Poland, continue to BLEND fill the home papers, and it is evident from these that Russia's internal affairs are in an exceedingly bad way. It is hardly to be believed that a tithe of the true condition of things is allowed to filter through, even if there were foreign residents on the spot to give an unbiassed report of what was hap pening but in all conscience, what we are allowed to hear is bad enough. When we are told that in Baku the Armenians and Musselmans, took to fighting without warn-

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members have been recently elected, the total now being over 160.

The Brussels Convention has now been neu. tralised by the fact that, thanks to the protective tariff, the three great sugar renners of France -Say, Lebaudy, and Sommier-bave formed a Trust, which has now pushed up the price of sugar to almost what it was before the Con.

THE BALTIC FLEET.

Capt. Sawyer, of the ingrang from Wahu, reports having passed two white painted Cruisers off the Taichow group, but was unable to make out ibeir nationality.

The Heathbank, from Amoy, passed a battleship, and a torpedo boat five miles off Swatow on Wednesday night.

THE SEARCH FOR CONTRABAND. NORWEGIAN STEAMER STOPPED,

ACTIVITY AT MOJI,

That the Japanese naval authorities are keeping a sharp lookout for anything in the way of contraband is evidenced by the number of steamers which their cruisere ato now signalling and boarding. The Norwegian ship A MOVEMENT is now on foot in France to Themit, in from Kobe early this morn make the production of sugar a State monopoly.ing, had rather an interesting experience The causes which have led to this movement off the Goto islands on Sunday last, and

one which seeuts

to have caused some are suggestive. The reduction in price of sugar in France which followed the creation of delay to Capt. Thomassen's ship. Seen to-day, after a quiet siesta, the skipper told his story to a representative of the Telegraph as follows We left Moji with a general cargo on the 6th fast, and on the day following when off the Goto. Islands saw a cruier in the distance. The ship chased me for a long time and when the overhauled me I waw she was flying the Japanese flag. They signalled me to stop immediately and, al courte, I slackened down chop chop. A boat was then lowered from the warship and was boarded by an officer and two men one of whom carried a megaphone and another a couple of flags for signalling purposes. They rowed across to my ship and overhauled the papers and chart, asked me where i was from, whither 1.was' bound, what cargo I had, where the ship was built, who were the owners and who the time- cha:terera. They were most inquisitive and I wondered what would be their next question. Among my cargo had some four hundred boxes of sundries and those packages seemed to puzzle them. They could

vention.

By kind permission of Col. W. G. B. Western, C. and Officers, the Land of the 2nd Bat, The Queen's Own" (Royal West Kent Regi.) will play the following programme of music, during dinner, at tife Hongkong Hotel, to morrow, 13th inst.

March Kaiser Frederick "....Friedemann Selection fron....... San Toy". Jones Valle...... "Sabre Lasolas "R Serenata....!! Love in Idiness"......Macbeth (4) Putral..."The Crack Regimen: "Tolari thi Chant bar Paroles. J'>chalkowsky Selection..........Scotland's Pride".....G. Godiris: Cake-Walk ........ The Brocklyn".........37aurlan God save the King,

with assaulting an Indian constable, and

ant make them out at all and wanted to have a

Two men of the 93rd Lurmas were placed before Mr. Hazeland this mornings charged 2,000 were killed in two days, and that onk with the theft of three bottles of whiskey, and "look see" at them, if possible. Of course, I taking away his turban. It is alleged for the was unable to say exactly in what part of the prosecution that the men went into a wine ship they were and so could not oblige them. Most of the cargo comprised matches shop at Tsim 1sa 1 sui, yesterday, and asked

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the combined exhortations of the chief Ar menian and the Mussalaan pastors secured cessation of the internecine conflict, we are

from Japan, and after thinking the matter over afforded a strange sidelight on Russia's affairs. the keeper for a bottle of whisky, and on

for some time the Japanese officer signalled Every other day there are revolutionary bring supplied with it bolted without paying to his ship for instructions. After 4 outbreaks in Poland, although for the most for it. It is then said that they disposed of the lengthy delay occupied in the exchange of part the Poles show their resentment to contents of the bottle, with the result that they signals the men went off to the cruiser and I was Russian rule by continuous strikes, and an acquired such courage that they saturned to allowed to proceed. The cruiser in question occasional outburst against the Russian the shop and endeavoured to repent their trick was evidently a converted merchant ship and but the shopkeeper summoned an Indian con carried about four guns. She was painted officials. It is held that the Poles would'

stable and gave the men into custody. It is like a man-o-war.and might easily have been rise in revolution to-morrow if it were not alleged that the men seized the constable's mistaken for such. She followed me pill dark that they fear Germany would flood the turban and tried to make off with it, and and then I lost sight of her. It will perhaps A. S. WATSON & Co., country with troops (with the acquiescence they could not get away they maltreated the interest you to know that great activity prevails of the Tsar), ostensibly to prevent a man. Some Europeans were passing at the in the forts at Mol where gan practice is being recrudescence of the ferment in German time, and helped to get the men to the police carried out day. Donng these operations Poland. In the interior, landowners are station, where they were locked up. This ships are detained outside of the barbour. always liable to the blind fury of the peasan-morning they were placed before Mr. Haze While in Japan I heard a report to the effect [32 try, and some few isolated cases where land, and the case was remanded for the pro- that the Japanese fleet was divided into three sence of an officer from their regiment 19 squadrons that in charge of. Admiral Togo be- mansions have been burned, cattle mutilated, watch the case on their behalf.

ing at the Pescadores, another with Kamimura and the landowner and his family put to

in the Korean Straits, and the third in Tsugaru death, manage to find their way into the

Straits at the north off Japan.

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for all that are brought to the notice of the outside world hundreds of tragedies occur which are never heard of. Finland is still in a smouldering anger that their constitution should have been superseded by Russian

THE ADVANCE IN PRICES,

FOODSTUFFS IN JAPAN.

The Uraku Mainichi observes that since the commencement of hostilities between Japan. and Russia, the price of foodstuffs has consider-

THE "HEATHBANK'8" STORY,

AN UNSUCCESSFUL TRIP,

CARGO AFIRE.

Capt. Müller of the London steamer Heith

"NAVAL"NOTAS.

The French gunboat. Decidée arrived from Kwongchowwan at 7.30 am, to-day

The torpedo florilla is evidently in touch with the fleet outside as destroyers are fre| quently leaving part via the Lyemun Pass.

Commandant Ditmukes in command of the United States river gun-boat Callan, which Commencement of the Canton-tankou Rail has been stationed on the West River since the

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THE MOTOR BOAT,

TRIAL TRIP

The trial trip of the Lungchow, the naws motor boat built by Messrs. Ballay and Morphy and engineered by Mr. J. W. Kew, for Mr. G. G. Moxon, a description of which was given to our last issue, took place yesterday evening, The steam launch Bailey left the Blake Fier nt four o'clock taking Mr. Moxon and his in- vited guests, consisting of Hon, Mr. Gershom Customs, A. E. Blanco, Rudger, J. Mac- Stewart, Messrs. W. R. Pair, Imperial Maritime

way, left Canton per the ss. Charles Jordenim | donald, J. W. Lambert, W. Wilson, F. Sim on Saturday last on his way to Cavite to take cock, A. Turner, L. Plummer, Captain F. Gad command, on promotion, of a first class cruiser därd, F. O. Murphy, J. W. Kaw, and T. at that station. A large number of frends Douglas, and representatives of the Press. gathered on Shamien to see him off, and he they proceeded to Messrs. W. S. Ballay's yard was heartily cheared as the .s. Charles Hurat Kowloos, and there transhipped to the down steamed passed his old command lying motor boat, where there was room and to spare for all, for the beam was exceptional for a craft in the stream.

of her size. As the novel launch motered along the surface of the harbour, Messrs. Moxon, Murphy, and Kew explained the work ing of the Gardner motor engines, and theo the powers of the new boat were shown by driving her along at full speed, slowing down to half, then dead slow, stop, and etlem; thes circling about variously to part and starboard, all of which evolutions were successfully gane

satisfactorily, champagne was banded round,. though without a hitch," The trial completed and in a happy speech the lion. Mr. Gershom Stewart called upon the company to drink to the success of the Lung Chow, coupled with the name of Mr. Moxou. The spanker said it was astonishing to realize that for the past hour and a half they had been floating and travelling at considerable speed in a craft without a buller and with no steam, and drawing only 1 inches, all, and nothing at all forward. He hoped that the great prisibilities of such craft at these would speedily be realized, and that the Lung Chow would be but the forerunner of many others for commercial purpo es: in Chinese waters.-Mr. Moxon, in thanking the Hon. Mr. Gershom Stewart forlds remarks, and the com- play for drinking his and his boat's success, paid a very bigh tribute to Messrs, Bailey &

U.S. .ATTLESHIP "OHIO." Cavite, May 8.-The battleship Olie, Cap- taia Leavitt C. Logan commanding, arrived at Cavite yesterday afternoon about 3 pan. after trip of over a month from the States. Stops were made en route at Honolula and Guam and though it was known for some time to the naval officials here that the Ohio had been ectual assigned to thin station, and in fact was.en roue, the first official information of-thei coming of the big ship was from Guam, when she arrived at the latter place. The coming of the Ohio is a big addition to the United States Asiatic fleet, and Americans in this part of the globe can well feel proud of the ship that bears the name of the Buckeye States. The Ohio is classed in the navy as a battleship of the first class. Her keel was laid in 1859 and she is of 12,5 tons displacement; and horie-power of 16,000--Cablenews,

·SHIPPING JETSAM.

The following telegram, from the Secretary to the Government of Hurmin, has been received' by the Colonial Secretary Hongkong has

been declared an Infected area. Inform ship ping firms."

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engineer, of the new boat, and, taid he only Murphy, the builders, and Mr. J. W. Kew, the

hoped the Chinese would realize the possibili. ties and usefulness of such craft, and so deluge" them with "repeat orders." He added that everything about the craft to the fast,

A disastrous marine accident occurred in the Philippines on Saturday night at o'clock, when the steamer A felante collided with the dennio Macleed en route from Stasila to Le-detail was British, and that fact ought to gaspi, off the southern point of the island of Burias, with the result that the former vessel went to the bottom. Her crew and passengers, 34 in number, were saved by the Antonio cleod, which arrived at Maula on the 8th

in:1.

S.S. PHARSALIĄ”. The steamer Pharsalis, which bad been sac- cessfully floated by Capinin Garry, is again wrecked near the place where she went a grund on March 1, a victim of the typhoon which swept the straits of an Pernardino Captain Garry who returned to Manila on the 6th was to leave at once ta rase the coast guard cutter Rover and afterwards the Afasbate

5.S. "CARLIBLY," We take the following from the Cablenews of gth inst.:-

weigh with British merchants dealing with China-even if it did not appeal to the com pany present (laughter and applause), Mr. Murphy replied, and said there was one very unique fact he wished to mention, as it referred 1o a matter never accomplished here before, and that was that they had been running about. the bay on a mean draught of sever. inches! The company then partook of light refresh menis, after which they retranshipped to the Bailey, and were again landed on to ferra free after a most pleasant and instructive little outing.

autocracy. In the greal lowns, assassina ably advanced, and 51ys this is accounted for bank has experienced no unpleasant trip since escape from shipwreck, and the perils of Anod case has just come to hand. It seems that a

beef

CHEAP WATER SUPPLIES;.

JUNK MASTER'S SHE RP PRACTICE. Peference has frequently been made to the haphazard manner in which Chinese water the A fortune in a single voyage! This is the junks obtain their water supplies, and reward that comes to Captain Simpson, the other day the master of a water junk was daring skipper of the British steamship C prosecuted and fined for taking in a supply of water from "an unauthorised place." But it tile. He gets $50,000 for putting his cargo of deadly explosives aboard vessels of the Bali.cwould seems that water junks are not the only feet. After months of incertainty, narlow offenders in this respect, and an interesting and war, the Carlisle is how safely with the resident somewhere in the 2 bau-ki-wan district- was enjoying the luxury of a cold bath the other tions are of daily occurrence. The question by the demands of the army at the front and leaving Barry on October 11th of last year. Hatic fleet. A cable from Cape St. James, of morning, and revelling in the splashing of the -is-where will it all end? It is quite by the decrease of production. The support He had some four thousand tons of besi stram Saigon was received in Manila yesterday tell

water. All at once his water tap cessed to clear that, taking Russia as a whole, the of the Russian prisoners must also be-account- 1 coat on board and had to endeavour to ran the ing of the arrival of the Curlinis off there. The now, although after a while a slight trickle blackade and hand his cargo safely in the people are still in the barbaric stage, and if ed responsible in some degree.

The Osaka journal mentions a few instances bands of the Russian naval authorities in cable came to the closest friend of Captain came down. Seeing that this had occurred it tells merely that he has before he determined to investigate the that is not due to the lack of provision for of the advance in prices. Beef, which was Vladivostok. From Bairy he made for Durban

Simpson here.. education among the common people, to the ruling at about 8) sen per too momme whole- and after a short stay in the South African reached his haven all right, and that the days

batement-after hastily donning a breezy attire." autocratic and high-banded dealings of the sale in Osaka, began to rise rapidly following port steamed direct for Manila where further of anxiety and danger are past. The Carliste maller, and with that view descended to the the outbreak of war, as qttle and tinned instructions were awaiting him. Without felt bere about a fortnight ago. She had been He was surp ised to find that a scow, one of were sent to the front. In August last the rate much delay they started for the north and here many weeks. Originally she started from those boats which are usually attached to

were not far out when trouble commenced. Vladivostock bound for Fort Arthur long.be-junk, was busty filling innumerable jars from She carried a valuable another water-tap. A shopkeeper, or some one rose to 14 sen, and now it is 22 or 23 sen, while the work of thing beef has been sus The ship steaned for the north of Japan and fore the winter set in.

in company with the Austrian steamer Siam cargo of dynamite, powder and shells, all for who resided on the ground ficor, was called pended, as it does not pay. During the time this industry was in full swing, the demand reached the Kunashiri Straits where they beat the Russian navy. She tried to get into Poil upon to explain the meaning of this transaction, for beef in Osakavalone amounted to about about for three or four days. The officers Arthur, but lost her rudder and drified for 85 and, of course, ho volubly stated that the scow ame from a junk on which he had some 30,000,000 lbs. n month, representing frequently went aboard of the Stam and con- days at the mercy of the wind and waves. She about 7,600 head of cattle. But the neigh-ferred regarding the best measures to adopt, finally wrived in San Miguel bay in this island friends. Naturally he did not receive a cent bourhood of Osaka was soon cleared of being ultimately decided that both steamers and was later towed here and repaired. The for this gracious act of counesy; he would cattle, and beef has now to be brought should return. The skipper of the Austrian Japanese Government learned of her mission ant take, money from his fienda, but most froin Awaji or Nato province. The same state ship apparently had not made up his mind de- and an apparens effort was made by some people will read that defence as they hotheads to blow her up in Manila harbour plente, and may have different opinions on of things prevails in fahyo, and cattle are sent finitely on the subject as he steamed through Then she was guarded night and day by armed the subject. At any rate, the European, to the capital from Taiba, Tange, and Tajima the Hakodate Straits and was there captured by men. Japanese cruisers dodged around this whose water-supply was being used on this free and easy, fashion, gave the "Chinamun Hyogo prelecture and Kyoto-fu). The arrival the Japanese., The Neathbank left the region of Russian prisoners in Osaka greatly increased of the ice and snow and proceeded to Amoy island for weeks to intercept her. But the cap such a scare by his threats that it is unlikely tun was acting under orders and did not leave this method of making money ost of the water. the demand for beef, about fifty head being where the arrived on the 11th February last,

Manila until informed by the Russian Govern" works will occur again. At the same time it consumed daily by the Russians,

OUTBREAK OF FIRE,

meat that the coast was clear. Now be is in would be interesting to learn if this particular clover. His cargo will aid the Baltic fleet and form of piracy or sharp practice-call it what you will-is in anything like general, vogue. Away. on the outskirts of the city, it should he will get his $50,00

not be difficult for the owner of a junk, if he timed his yisits properly, to secure his water supply from "an unauthorised source" certainly, although from a clean and uncon-- taminated source, at a minimum of cost. A cent a gallon to the nearest neighbour would probably ensure his temporary blindness to the ongoings of the junkmen, with the result that WE are informed that the rale of "Dindet," | Thé, mobilisation of fishermen for mill through a small hole cut in the cover of one of S, S. Ca, is to be general agent at Hongkonga.plentiful supply of water would be obtained for a mere trifle. The question affects those the ventilators and every effort made to drive for the Pacific Mail, Occidental Oriental and who reside on the water-front, and they might the air out of the hold. Shortly after it seemed Toys Kisen Kaisha steamship companier, suc do well to give it their attention.

big landowners, to the fierce denunciation of all things Russian by the Nihilists, then who GOLD & SILVER is to blame? It has been said that Leo Tulstoi is the only free man in Russia, main ly because his mystical, dreams and his socialism never come true. But Russia is gradually reaching a stage when her leaders are bound to recognise the dangers which threaten the country from within. Is it too much to hope that one of the direct results of the war with Japan will lead to such a searching of heart, that the political leaders of the Empire, whose people are centuries behind the civilised world in thought and action, may be roused to a sense of their duly to the masses, so that European Russia may not remain a disgrace, to Europe and menace to the progress of civilisation?

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EXHIBITION.

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LOCAL AND-GENERAL.

Two cases of plagus have beee notified as having occurred during the past twenty-four

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Hongkong, 10th May, 1903.

No. 51, Caine Road, has been postponed until the 1st June next.

We understand that Dr. Razlag, who has done so much in the cause of the lepers in South China, is still at Canton.

The present is the season for bamboo shoots,

it

After lying in the northern harbour for close the price of which at this time of the year is upon three months the monotomy aboard was about xo sea per kwamme, but it is now ruling suddenly broken by an alarm of fire being at 16 ses. The high price of beef and fish has | raised at five o'clock of the evening of the and affected the price of the shoots. Another cause inst. The third engineer was on deck st for the advance is that this edible is tinned and this time and saw smoke issuing from batches sent to the front in considerable quantities, of the No. 1 bold. All hands turned out and every hole and corner was battened down The demand for this foodstuff in Osaka alone in an endeavour to suffocate the fire; mean. for tioning purpujes amounts 10 about while steam was got up in the donkey boiler, 50,000,000 lbs. per day."

THE PACIFIC MAIL S. S. CO.

A report which has gained credence, says the American Asiatic, is that Mr. S. Silverstone

the steam hose was fastened up and passed assistant secretary of the Occidental & Oriental

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Canadian (Empress of. Ching) 23rd Inst,

tary service has resulted in the decrease of fish on the market. It is stated that though the fire had been, overcome, but at the constant navigation of steamers, in conse midnight there was suddenly a loud explosion, ceeding Mr. E. W. Tilden, who is to be trans quence of the increase of shipping, along the which threw the hatches into the air and set ferred. As a steamship man Mr. Silverstone coast of Japan, has driven the fish out to sea fire loske tarpaulins. As matters looked serious is regarded as having no superior on this Coast, Be this as it may, arrivals in Osaka have Rockets were sent up and it was not long

it was deemed prudent to call for ass stance. this tribute being paid to him by men very pro- AT Mesurs, Hughes and Hough's sales rooms sensibly fallen off of late, resulting in a remark harge the crew of the German cruiser minent in the anese business. For nearly this to-day and to-morrow, is being sold a remarkable rise in the price of fish. Hauls, inade on 7 went alongside and rendered valu ty years he has been continuously with the ably beautiful selection of Japanese curios, the coast of Korea and Kyushu are sent direct-abraid so that by six o'clock the morning Occidental and Oriental Company, having en-

following the fire was well under control. consisting of samples of all the best in art that ly to the front, and are largely tinned in there were then some, nine feet of water intered its employ on October 19, 1875, as a mes Co., is produced in the land of the Chrysanthemum. fishing districia. Egge have also made an up the hold, and this has since been added to senger boy. Since that time he has climbed

The Rea Line sa Benlomond from Ant- The vaser are many and varied in colour, pat-ward leap. The poultry, business in the interior: owing to the fire having broken put several up through all grades and has bad experience term and shape, while the embroideries are has greatly decreased, as it has been given up times since a fact, as the ship lay in the in all departments of the big steamship com- werp and London, left-Singapore for this port haro -to-day it was seen that the coal, which marvellously exqulsite, and such as cannot be by the Farmers on, account of the war, Eggs had been strewn over the deck, forehead, Pany. When he first began work for the live yesterday, MARA equalled in any Western country. There are are a favourite article of diet in the military was still smoking and water has now to the steamers in service were the Oreanic and The H. ALs. Deisgavla from Hamberg some magnificent specimens of ivory carvings, hospitals of the Russian prisoners. In Osaka be pumped on the cargo twice daily the Gürffs and Bright for the Occidental and and Bremen left: Singapore for this port on 11th while the palace and temple bangings are real some,120,000 cggs have been purchased by the until the cargo has been discharged Into Oriental Company and the Faking, Tokio and inst, pm, and may be expected here on 17th "dreams of beauty. It is doubtful if Hong. Hamadera prisoners' depot authorities since lighters It will be impossible to ascertain, sidewheel steamers China and Alaila for the kong has ever seep, at one time, such beautiful the 25th ultimo, and in consequence the poultry ether the ship has sustained any damage Pacific Mail line. As general agent at Hongalls, leaves Kobs on 14th insig at midnight, or not, but this should not be long in being kong he will have a great fleet of modern lis for this port vis Nagasaki and Shanghai, and specimens of Japanese art, awalling the auc- 'business in the neighbourhood of Osaka, which made known as it is intended to work day and kong he

ner to look after, was not very flourishing, is now being revived. night at the job

AT ['stioneer's hammer,

The P. M. S. S. Co.'s . fanchuria, with

is dus here on 20th init,