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subject la proved by the fact that they-did-not finish the Commitee and agree to a report in one alting, as a Committee consisting of mete orologists would have been able to do,

4 was obliged to enter lato rudimentary explanations to enable them to understand the first principles of issuing weather forecasts.

5-The appointment of Capials Tillett on this Committee was unfortunate as his suggestion at meeting of the British Mercantile Officers' Association as to the issue of isobaric weather charts for the arex between Shanghai and "ape Salat ames proves at once that he ban o acquaintance with the subject, otherwise he must have been well aware that the issue of such charts was impossible with the present limited number of stations. On the same occasion be practically advised mariners to maruwre their vessels during the approach of a typhoon as they had Ito do sixty years age, and not to act on the roles founded on our present knowledge of the

Jaw of storms.

6.Same member or members of the Com- mittee acted improperly in giving information after each sitting, directly or indirectly, to the newspapers, abusing the Government and myself 7.- have the honour to enclose the minates of the thres meetings held and would venture to suggest that thes, together with the corre- spondence, including this felter, be printed in the Government Gazette.

8.The laue of reports and warnings at present is conducted as well as it can possibly be done on the basis of the data available, and all the information is haued without delay.

9-The information is not exact; but, sheh as it is, it is sufficient for intelligent masters of vessels.

10-Seamen have great confidence in my warnings and obey them always Implichly while In and when leaving the harbour,

1. The weather forecasts and storm warnings cannot be improved without cables to South Cape. Auping, Fisher Island, and orth Borneo, without meteorological telegrams from Hoiho and places between Haiphong and Cape Saint James; and without the observations being made more accurately in Chisa.

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12-1 the Government is prepared to spend large sums of money on cables, instruments, and observers, great improvements will then follow; but possibly it will prefer to leave improvements in telegraph lines In Chios to the Government of China. The Chins coast is warned from this Obenvatory in case of typhoons. These Warnings e based on too few and uncertain observations to be exict. If the inhabitants of the Coast Ports want better warnings, and If the Government of Hongkong does not choose to go 10 additional expense, then they ought to address the Inspector-General of Customs, Peking, who might see bls way to apportion the cost between the Chinese Government and the various ports, The Colo tal Government would, no doubt, pay a reasonable abare.

13. In case there be any paint on which the Governor is not convinced that no farther inquly is necessary, then I would most respect fully suggest that his Excellency consider the

In England. There is no objection to another advisability of consulting scientific authoother Cemmittee to consider the tubjects as long as I act as chairman; but I submit that it is not now required. I have the honour to be, sir, your

most obedient servant,

W. DOBERCE,

THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH, MONDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1893.

Meeting adjourned till Tuesday, the afth September, al 3 p.m.

Third Meeting.

Tue. May, the 26th September, at 3pm. Pre- sent:-The Chairman, Commander Miller, R.N Captain Tiller, Captain G. C. Anderron.

Minutes of last meeting read and confirmed. The Chairman notice that he would call Mr. Figg to give evidence on such Improvements as he could suggest and submit a repost himself after Captain An erson had spoken.

Captain TillattWe have not seen your letter to the Colonial Secretary. Please read it to us.

The Chairman-It was laid on the table at the second meeting, but was not read. I will read it now.

(Letter H.K O. No. 81 read.) Letter objected to.

Decided that an explanatory letter be circulated among the members.

United States was the most expensive and the | warded for nothing. We cannot find fault with those who so generously assist us. You now most perfect. The States were covered by a

sen that the issue of such information—such | network of telegraphic reporting station, established at well exposed p'aces, and worked very expensive information-as they issue in by officers specially trale ed and under constant Europe or America, is impossible for me here, supervision from Washington with instruments through circumstances over which I have ne

Their telegrams and control. continuously verified. telegraphic weather forecasts sent to each State have precedence urgency, Forecasts are further distributed through telephones. All is done within an hour by a large staff of officials. The magnificent dally isobaric weather charts are neceatary, as there are too many stations-ahout 150-to allow anybody to grasp the distribu- tloo of and the changes going on in the meteorological elements at so large a number of stations except by aid of prefection on weather maps. The latter are issued mainly in the interest of agriculture but are highly esteemed by masters of vessels navigating the most western portion of the North Atlantic. Their value would be further increased if they covered the West Indies. But that is not done. There are no dally isobaric charts for the West Indles. England sacs isobaric weather charts which are most minute in the Bridsh Isles, for which worther forecasts are issued. and giving a rougher representation of the weather along the coasts round the Bay of Blacay and down to Gibraltar as well as on the continent. The Japanese tri-daily weather maps were shown and attention called to their minute detalls, and the weather forecasts for the different parts of Weather charts from Sydney were Japan, shown. The stations in New South Wales, about 30 in number, were mostly lying along the coast line, and isobars could therefore not be drawn. These charts did not seem to be seeded at all, as the information conveyed could be at table. The least as lucidly exbiblied in wasther intelligence lasued st Mauritius was highly appreciated by seafaring men. It was based on observations made at the Observatory, as there was no cable connection between the islands in the southern Indian Ocean. Captain Tillett was quite right in recommending hobaric weather charts. Such were, in fact, indispens able for forecasting the weather over a large area and for the proper issue of local forecasts. At the same time it could not be expected that fore casts In Southern China or in Europe would be as accurate as on the east coast of North America. There the depressions anired from Island, whereas in South China and in England they arrive from the sea. In North Calna. depressions arive from Inland and move towards Japan, so that in the northern part of the Far East forecasts could be issued the same as to America..

Captain Anderson remarked that storms in Japan srive from the west in winter.

The Chairman stated that such was to a great extent also the case in summer.

Captain Tillelt remarked that the Japanese weather charts were not of much value to vessels leaving Japan. They might be of local use.

The Chairman said he had ollen heard captains remark that they got more nolice of stormas raging out at sea in Hongkong than in

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Captein Tillet-The Spanish Consul gets triegrams concerning typhoons from Manila, Does he send them to you?.

The Chairman-No; because I get them at | the same time as he does.

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Captain Tillatt-Are they of much use to you? The Chairman-We,never make any use of such information. We construct our warnings, on the bails at the observations we have, and on

Information into account, excent, of courte,`in case certain observations were implied...

Ciptals Tillet-Yeu got twa`wires from Manila this morning, did you not ? The Chairman Just before

9.m. Boliano reported threatening weather." At 9.15.m Mr. Figg Issued the notice: "The typhoon is now eist of and approachleg Hol'nan," and requested Bollaso lo kindly observe every hour. At 11.14 m.' we received nollee from Manila that a typhoon was E N.E.-fthere and approach. ing the island. At 11.15 1.1. we received the observations made at to a m, in Manila, Our telegrams are forwarded to all the statione fa connection with the foreign telegraph companies between. Wladlwostock," Tokio, Manila, and Singapore,

Captalo Tillett-I think we should have a Captala Anderson-With reference to a fore shorthand reporter. If the Government will not cast in a local newspaper "Extra" published on go to the expenso perhaps the Chamber el Wednesday, 30th September, at 1.45 pm. was Commerce will do so. that forecast the result of telegraphic information Commander Miller, R.N.—I qabe agree with It is not necessary for ourselves, but le received? If not, how was it known in the you, Observatory here that the centre of the atorm would be more naífsfactory in the public 'who was near the northern entrance of the Formosatákd'ä'btrong Interest in this Committea. Channel?

The Chairman—I am apnoted `to`lt"as wa cannudi converse so freely when a reporter is prevent; but I will write fu about it.

The meeting adjourned till October the 4th, at 3 p.m.

The Chakman-On the 20th at 105 a.m. the following notice was Issued:-"Centre of typhoon now situated near northern entrance to Formoss Channel," and the red north cone was hoisted. That was the result of a telegram

tha received from Amoy at 9.54 m., giving maal 9 am, observations, and another received from Sharp Peak in answer to a query. If those telegrams had not been received here we should not have known where the centre was ■ituated. Captain Anderson-Are we correct in assum- ing from what Mr. Firg told us at our last meeting that the reasons put forward for not being able to supply forecasts in time for the morning's "Extra" is that you do not receiveHE weather reports by wire in time and frequently not at all from the most important stations?

The Chairman-Yes. That is so

Captain Anderson-Supposing proper tele: graphic weather reports were furnished in time for the Observatory, would it be possible to give forecasts, say for the reglaus between here and the Philipplaca and between here and Japan or Shanghal, not necessarily by means of isobara, but by using proper judgment and having. regard to the wind force, state of barometer, thermometer, &c., at the different stations ?

The Chairman-Yes; if the reports were sufficient in number and accuracy.

Cxplain Anderson-Supposing the Obser- vatory here were placed in proper telegraphic communication with Bollaso and stations on the north coast of Luzon, South Caps (Formosa), information

coast dows inpan ten there is nevertheless much superforees, ports, would it be possible to lay come the tracks of typhoons, any, coming from the Barbee Channel, and publish at intervals the latitude and longitude of the centres and the direction is which the storm is travelling approximately ?

to our own...

Mr. F. G. Figs. being called upon to give evitence, explained that the number of stations in China was not sufficient for constructing Isobars, 16 much more is the stations were all iping along the coast, They were not selected with any reference to proper exposure anywhere, g, the observations were made in Custom bouses to sheltered positions by observers who bad little or no training and whose instru ments were often out of order and poly to sama extent compared here. It is desired to

The Hon, G. T. M. O'Brien, &c. CAPTAIN MIL IR, CAPTAIN TILLET, AND CAPTALY ANDERSON TO DR. DOBERCK.

Forgkong, 28th September, 1893. Dear Sir,In view of the sentiments exprested in the draft of you proposed letter to the Colonial Secretary which, we presume, expresses Your own opinions, we feel it will be impossible issue the forecast for the day by 10.30 m., but for us to act with you in the discussion of sub-at this time usually not more than half the

observations from the other stations dava arrived:

The Chairman-Yes; that could be done in case of typhoors coming from that direction; but very many typhoons originate in the Chisa Sea, and then we cannot give the longitude and latitude, as long as the China Ses is not sur- rounded by proper telegraphic reporting wadons.

Captala Anderson-is the Hongkong Obier- vatory in communication officially or otherwise with the authorities of the Mazlla Obre:vatory and Zikawelf

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We beg to return herewith the draft you so kindly forwarded, on which we had already inserted some potes and remarks before our fient decision was arrived at. We remain, your

The Chairman-Yes. We are in constant telegraphically, in manuscript, and all the pabli cations. We visit each other whenever possible

and facilities are mutually granted for making observations in any one of those Observatories to the staff of the other Observatories; bat I have not visited Luzon. The Jesuit Fibers are in a position to spend no end of money on their Observatories, and they can appoint any name ber of members. I believe la Zikawel they own As much as Belsh Kowloon, and their income probably equals the income of the Colental Government.

In case of bad weather being indicated at a dia- fance, it is delayed vill more telegrams arrive. This is very artifactory for the general public, and not less so for those who have to frame the forecast From two most important quarters, Formosa and Hainan, telegrams are so seldom received (and if received are never in time) during the tychoon scasca that we never expect them sed for purposes of forecastings they are, therefore, almost if not quite useless for the greater part of the year. In alan Master Attendant, H,M. Dockyard. Holbow is the only station; and in Formoss,

Anping the only one from which we are suppos Caprala Anderson-Would not hearty co. Marine Superintendent, C. P. R. Coed to get telegrams Stach Cape is not to tele-operation with these Observatories tend greatly graphic connection with the outer world From to improve the information available here and easble forecasts to be made at least with regard Anping telegrams are la sommer not received

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COMMITTER ON ISSUK OF METEOROLOGICAL RIPORTS AND WEATHER FORECASTS. First Meeting

The Chairman read letter C. S. O. No. 1,953. Captain Tillett suggested that no Chairman had been appointed.

Captain Goddard thought that the Director (the Observatory had been applied to agree

The Chairman-How do y u make the fore- caste then? How is it done

Mr. Figg-Anexamination of the observations is made and the changes la pressure, wind, and weather, which b¬ve taken place since the last observaton at the various stations, is noted. Monday, the 11th September, 1893, at 3 pm. The relative heights of the barometer and the -Present-Dr. Daberck (in the Chair), Com-rate of changes of pressure then in progress at mandar Miller, R.N., Captain Tillett, Captain exch station is then taken into account and an estimate formed of how the wlod is going to Goddard.

change. As the stations are fat asunder and for reasons before mentioned it is easily seen that Inferences so drawn are sometimes incorrect and more especially as the weather on the coast Is modified by pressure and temperature conditions prevalleg over Central Chlak and of which at the time we know absolutely nothing; leal weather is forecast using the foregoing data and by inspection of the appearances of the sky with regard to clouds and dimpress. Uce In also made of the rain-band spectroscope, but in my experienes here it is of very little use for forecasting male, thou,b perhaps regards foretelling thunderstorms its Indictions are sometimes of service. As we have no sobarse canapt to stell the weather from their shape as in other places.

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with the former, and Dr, Deberck with the latter. Question referred to bis Excellency the Governor för decision.

Captain Tillett explained that the Commnities had power to add their number,

Commander Miller, R. N., and Captain Goddard agreed. The Chairman degreed, Question referred.

Capiala Fillet recommended Captain Burule. The Chairman apposed, Captain Tillatt recommended Captain G. C. Anderson.

Unanimously resolved that Captain Anderson be elected as a member.

The Chairman suggested that a second Maval

icer be added to the Committee. Officer

Commander Miller, RN, suggested Com mander Lilburn, I.N,

Unanimously agreed.

Second Meeting, Monday, the 18th September, at 3 p.m., Pre- sent: The Chairman, Commander Miller, R., Captain. Tillett, Captain Anderson:

The mloutes of the previous meeting were read and confirmed.

Letter No, 1,330 from the Colonial Secretary confirming the appointment of the Chairman and a letter from Staff-Commander Lliburu, RN., Informing the Chairman that is duties left him no time to join the Commities, were laid on the table.

Captain Tilett proposed Captain Burnie, Lloyd's Surveyor, as a member.

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Captain Tuley-With how many stations are you in telegraphic connection?

The Chairman-There are about 181f you count them all; but stations in or very near the colony can hardly be counted as main than one stados,

Commander Miller, R.N.-They would count for more than one stition if the observations were recorded very accurately.

The Chairman-Mr. Figg, If the stations were all right and scattered over China, how many would you want to make laobaric weather charts Would so do?

Mr. Figg-Hardly

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The Chairman Would too de Mr. Figg They might, Commander Miller, R.N.—How many stations would you regale sound the China Sea to draw isobars?

The Chairman-It is impossible to draw isobare over the sea from stations on shore With inferior stations 1,000 would not be enough, hot if the stallone werp all right and properly Commander Miller, R.N. seconded.

distributed 20 would go a long way to slow Daanimously agreed to Captain Tillett explained the great practical Inferences to be drawn regarding the weather importance of the daily issue of isobaric weather over the sea.

Capiala Tillett-How much would it cost to charts for the area between Shanghai and Cape Saint James, taking in Tonkin and the islands at St of Formosa and the Philippines, Such chests of the Far East between Shanghal and Capo S

Tames?

would be useful to the shipping. A more for The Chairman-Weather charts for the whole Cast of the weather expected In this colony,- whether it was going to rain or there were of the Far East, something like two lion chances of a thunderstorm, under ordinary dollars a year. We might want 309 mailos la circumstances not of much the to-a-colony lagraphie connection with ps. This calcay could Het dabed to pay for an accurate isobarid westkst The Chairman exhibi ed charizand explained | wavice for the whole of the Far East,

Captain Tillett-lt cannot be done then f systems of isoning meteorological Information and daily weather charts and forecasts adopted

t is not interested in agriculime.

The Chalemine Net with the meansat present In the United States, Bigland, Japan, Bydney, si eu disposal bere. We get the observations, and Maurition Thi yoke Burke in thi | such as they are, for nothing and yet thems for¢

The Chairman-We co-operate as much as possible at present. Farther co-operation, if possible, would meau loss of time.

Captain Anderson-Are there any material obstacles to such co-operation?

The Chairman--We do co-operate at pre-ent as much as sientific men can co-operate, and there are no obstacles,

Captain Tilett-Would not telegrams from Apart on the north coast of Luzon be usefa!!

The Chairman-Yes; but I hardly think we

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No. 355 THE following Particulars and Conditions of TH Sale of Crown Land, by Public Auction, would get them regularly or in time. The Spanish land lines do not seem to act satisface to be held on the spot, an torily in all cases, They do not seem to their reports in time in Manila. The Manila the 16th day of at 4 P.M., RIG telegrams teach Bolling over a land line tanich published for generators, 1893, a

By Command, is often interrupted, and this line is much shorter than the line to Aparri We do not receive them in time; but it seems the Jesuit Fathers walt till they receive our to am, messages and warnings, then they issue their telegrams.

Captain Tillet-1'should think Manila the most important station in the Far East, is not so

The Chairman-By no means! South Cape is perhaps the most important station, but they are all more or 1:se important. Weather lares casts should depend upon the whole system and rot upon a single station. Now, the wind tele- graphed from Manila is usually weang owing to deflection from the mountains and the tower, The barometer is of some imponance, bat it is Bollers is sometimes wrongly transmitted.

more important, and we can have information from there at any time during the day.

Captain Tillett-But I understand obser vations are made there by the officials of the Eastern Extension Company. Could their ob servations be trusted?

The Chairman-Yes I should trust them more than any others, simply because they are not blassed.

Captain Tillett-How do you mean ? Plarged against the Colony, or against yourself, or whom? The Chairman-They me not blazed in making observations because they have not got any theories, of preconceived notions about phenomens, and do not claim any paničniar knowledge of meteorology. They abserve and transmit anything they see, and ask for inform- ation about the weather if they think it teoks bad. That is what I mean when I say they ate not blussed. The word is used in that sence by scientific observers.

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Y. HOSHINO, Proprietor.

FUJIYA HOTEL,

MIYANOSHITA, HAKONE.

Four and a half hours from Yokohama,

FIRST-CLASS ACCOMMODATION. NATURAL HOT SPRINGS.

THE ELECTRIC LIGHT IN ALL THE

BUILDINGS.

TWO NEW ENGLISH BILLIARD TABLES,

EXCELLENT CUISINE.

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B. N. YAMAGUCHI,

Proprietor.

PORTLAND CEMENT.

MANUFACTURED BY

* THE ONODA CEMENT COMPANY,

AND

THE NIHON CEMENT COMPANY.

貓

"THE WILDERNESS," Calze Road. "NORMAN COTTAGE," Robinson

Road.

No. 4, RIPON TERRACE-Bonkara

Road.

Nos. 1 and 8, CHANCERY LANE. No. 8, WYNDHAM STREET. FLOORS in Blue Buildings. FLOORS in Elgin Serset, Peel Street

and Staunton Street.

FLOORS in No. 5, Shelley Street, Nos, 11 and 12, COOMBE ROYAL-m

| Magasino Gap-Furnished- OFFICES Se

FIRST and SECOND FLOORS No.

Queen's Road Central, over the Bank of China, Japan and the Stralis, Ld. PRAYA CENTRAL, over Merns, Dos-

glas Lapalk & Co. GODOWNS -

BLUE BUILDINGS, Apply to

THE HONGKONG LAND INVESTMENT

& AGENCY Co., Ltd. Hongkong, 6th October, 1809-

TO LET.

TOS. 2, 7, 11 & 13, SEYMOUR TERRACE.

ROOMS la College Chambers OFFICES in Victoria Buildings

DAVID BASSOON, SONS & Co. Hongkong, 19th September, 1893, 1531

TO. LET.

Tent moderate. For terms apply at

"HE HOUSE" No, jó, ELSI STREET.

THE MEDICAL HALL Hongkong, 5th October, 1893-'

“AQUARIUS.”

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"THE TABLE WATER OF THE EAST *** Per dosen quarts, $1.75, lasa allowance on ** empties returned to our GodowaS, $0.50.

Net price, $1.25, 2.

was received at a p.m.; Foochow at 15.15 pon effet in stimulating the closing up of Wounds, Amoy st 128. Swatpw at 11.39 km. And soon. Is described as amasing. Stage then there has been decided improvement, To be had at every reputed Chemist and TUNDRAIGNED are now prepared Par 3 dosen pints, 11.00, less allowance on

doe to the interest M. You Plordian, the manager | Druggist,

in China of the Eastern Extension Telegraph 2 Suppilas constantly on hand at the Ching Company, lakes in the matter. :) called a low Toppers Import, nad Bank Co-Bola Arten er years agaon Mir, Judd, the then manager, but kir. Chittklin Be

Bewes Jedd told me he would not do anything further, and

Henglong, 11 Apt3; 1999

our reports weis met appreciated' by ko pohi

af.

ta Extente Orders at Moderate Prices.

THE MITSUI BUSSÄN KAISHIA,

Boje Agents, Mongkong, 1jih Begianbw, 1998

empties returned to aux Godowna, $0.35,.. Net price, $0.75

CALDBECK MACGREGOR & Cai

15. Casta's Road, Hougang, Bin Algust, 1893,