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The lionair. Lows, I will use, the,

world" logical. It means the same to

[mean anTMncronatant

HE TUR GOYZKYOR: the statement

unde-is-an-accusation that the Govern ment has falsified its figures to agree with its policy. If the hon member does not mean this, I must ask him to say what be means, I cannot allow that statement

to pass."

ALL BAILWAY.

DAY

OCTOBER 19TH, 1923.

lica: dol

the Arst

"RETGIR-- DIAPOSAL

land enler WSE ATO-KEL Tarsingthe years ol02 three

mue from 000, I think

"The next point that refuse" """ curts: with tight fitting lids. come up before. The

the demand increased to 3,000 cars a year.

CLEANEST TOWN

mendation

deferred

overhauls and irepairs · indo. We have also employed one" or

eaners and I may

provided that we have substituted women cleaners matter has for mon and they have proved consider the same source was 87)

ction to wooden ably cheaper and much more efficient, that the Senior Unoficial Member's ad vice was to follow the example of a brus is their weight Very steep streets KOWLOON, HOSPITAL

bare to be negotiated and the handling As to the Kowloon Hospital, the nesa tach who increason his staff accord of the curts as they are is alrendy Director - of Public Works informe mo ing to the demand. I may compare our sufficiently difficult proposition. Having that the servants quarters practically are selves, for instance, to a motor car manua tarpaulin cover Axed tightly over the completed and the Medical Officers returer who had it staatly output of 300 carts was tried, but it was found that Quarters are well advanced He hopes the men took a long time to fit these to have the building huished by sha enes a year, and then a boom came and the boats of the carts are so arranged middle of 1923-I sincerely hope that the proportion of our land sales must that they end at the point nearest to the will be the case not entirely from a con- be something like that: I have not work discharging wharf and it is important to riction as to its urgency, because the ed out the figures) I think that if that run them to these points as quickly as prospective patients are net overtaxing merchant increased his staff, his build possible. As they move from house to the resources of other institutions in the ings, and his capital accordingly he would house it is not possible to close them Colony, more especially the Pent Ho

pital Hon Mr. Love hesitated to reply.

have been a very foolish man. I think up. A further suggestion was that this

A NEW TRAM PROJECT TO MAGAZINE GAP, HE THE GOVERTOR: If the hou. that some people who do not quite realise refuse cleaning should not be done in

Then we come to our hardy annual, the member is unable to explain himself, he the extent of the hoon and its duration the afternoons. I gather from that that will tell you the same thing hon members do not get up early

hoped had better resume his remarks.

Our extraordinary land sales have given enough to be aware that the main sweep Wanchai Gap tramway, which I ho The Holl Me Lowe (resuming)s The rise to an extraordinary amount of working and cleaning is done at 3,30 am: had withered under the discouragement officialMembers, perhaps, have forgotten statistics clearly show that the PW.D. in the Public Works Department, and I and all the refuse is on board before casa upon it by Unofficial Members Un

that they and their predecesors. either not doing its work, or, if it is, then was glad to hear the remarks in that con- o'clock. fe is shouldering the binme for which nection by the hon. member represent The Hon Mr HOLYGAKOB this project down twice in 1920 od

tinstance Me Ponto another Department is responsible, nading the Justices of the Peace. The way Twelve o'clock mid-day in Des Yeux 1821 In the first therefore think their continued publica in which every man in that department Road

was away, and in the second he dissented. tion is justified.

has risen to the occasion in deserving of The CotosIAL SECRETARY: I am speaker, as they have changed their minds

do, so the highest praise. We need only look of the first sweeping. It is the second once, I can persuade them

mado Your Excellency has referred to the round and see the new development on sweeping which takes place later in the The Sanior Unofficial Member has desision of the Government to reorganise every side to reahse that. The Govern day. The reason is that the inhabitants a good point in the fact that the Peak the Railway Accounts in the form I have ment will pursue a policy of caution but or some of them have an unpleasant Tramway hid create the demand at the

and if he can show that the Waa agitated for years previous to last year at the same time it realises that this habit of throwing their refac in the chai Trunway can create and satisfy debate, and it is not decision arrival at ising that this development is going on, and that the street if it is not removed. Even in the and at Mount Cameron, Iam with Spring cams Colony generally is increasing in every enlightened City of Westminster they him all the way. With regard to the a shock to me and unfortunately it way, and it is making provision for con only guarantee, to remove refuse once existence and extent of the demand Lyre found me in a less favourable position to siderable extra staff. I have a note to cope with what is required than I believed the effect that we are getting overal new in three days-although they may refer to hy nothing, but leage that the mave it oftener in practise. Here we do dncussion on the Housing Commission myself to be in last year. In any case officers one electrical engineer in charge our best to remove it twice a day, and Report. Granting the demand, the point Home bressais ad. Pastato sotte 10 Epal, the of the electrical depart the Water Works thereby we have earned, the reputation then whether this Tramway will satisfy work to restate 16 ant engineers one for (sheris a compliented nature and with and two for the Shing Vinn scheme: six of being one of, if not the cleanest town it. The tramway hay to feed the

the necessary statistics (without which! they would be useless) could not have been assistant land surveyors, two halliffs in the world think it would be un perrervation and I think that

the Survey Department two nasistant wise to sacrifice that reputationz on Eitopean--and more pursiculat no finished now, as your Excellence indicated engineers, and two overseers in the account of the temporary inconvenience, European women wants to add himself bo had hoped it would be. I have given Architectural Department, one assistant which I admit occurs, while the sweep or herself to the crowd which throngs Wachat market. Moreover, they do not some thought and attention to the

engineer and two officers in the Building and made some enquiries both in Canton and Hongkong, and I hope shortly to Ordinance Office, and one, overseer and It was asked that we should have an wish to incur the considerable additional discuss the matter again with the Hon. One stenographer in the general depart incinerator for the destruction of rub expense of a long ride of a mile or more pean quarter. Nor again, does a man. Colonial Treasurer, Unfortunately when ment. I think that these additions to the bish. That question has been gone into through the Chinese streets to the Euro whats met our deliberations have had strength adequately meet the legitimate exhaustively on three occasions, frst in tired out after long day's work willingly 1900, again in 1916, when reports were face the ride back. With regard to the to be confined to Hotel: Anancial details demand in which he is equally, if not more so. It is the same case with the Police. I laid on the table in this Council, and point that I stated to one of the news, interested, I understand, from a Govern think that the community has got into again in 1921. On each occasion we paper representatives that large resump ment point of view. I hope, however, to the habit of crying "Wolf" in this con asked particulars of Singapore, Penang, tions would be required. I did not refer to agree with the Government in a scheme nection on with unnecessary frequency. Kuala Lumpur and other towns and the sizes, but I did suggest resumptions. by which most of the work will be don The COLONIAL TREASURER Hear, bear replies were most discouraging because This line is designed to go down Stone by the present Railway staff with the The COLONIAL SECRETARY: Kowloon of the enormous expense. The capital Nullah Lane, 30 feet in width, including addition of a clerk or two

nerves were very badly, shakea afew cost of building runs as high as six-and-the nullah in the middle, and it comes CIVIL SERVANTS AND WIDOWS AND ORPHANS months ago by the murder, in very public half dollars per ton of rubbish consumed out at the junction of the lane with circumstances, of a Chinese constable and anunally, against our cost of eighty cents Queen's Road at Wanchai market. If FUND

they have not been reassured by the for all our plant and material. The the Government provides that tram and Last year I made some remarks on the thrilling account of a walk taken by Mr. rubbish is largely of a light vegetable puts no station for the people to alight reorganisation of the Widows nad Orphan Bailey one night through the Peninsula pature and it requires a third of its at and no concourse area for waiting Fund with special reference to one of my But what are the facts His Excellency, weight in fuel to consume and leaves a vehicles, I can imagine the outcry from own clan, the late Mr Braya, who left at the last meeting, gave figures, which third in slag to be got rid of. The des- the community as to the idiocy of the widow and two young children and I see show an increase of 35 per cent in the tructor requires complete renewal once Government in not forseeing this essen- From the 1994 Estimates that she has been Force since the beginning of 1990. The vary ten years. The question of the tial necessity, and the advice which will granted a passion of £101.4.7 per annum. This does not seem to me a very adequate station at Kowloon Point, which the disposal of the shag is also a matter of be again showered upon us that really income for such a responsibility, even if Kowloon Residents' Association have fre great diffculty At Home it is very you must got rid of your Colonin! Secre the deceased ad contribute to it out of uently spoken of, has had its land force much used for road repairs, but here tary and put in a business man neting on his salary and I can't find out any sum doubled in the same period, and the land we have a much better and entirely business methods. Therefore, you must at all paid to the widow of the late Mr. force of Europeant has been increased accessible material in granite. There have very big and expensive resumptions.

I

from 4 to 12 The Senior Unofficial fem-fore, this slag would have to be carted We are in communication with the Peak Hutchison, who had no children. trust the Government will make a compassion.her gave us some rather high figures with away. It could be used in reclamation, Tramway Company at the present mo- at allowance in both these sad cases and regard to the increase in crime but he is but it would have to be taken there. ment with a view to running a line from include in it, in the case of Mrs Brayn out of date

The nuisance of these collecting stations the bottom of Garden Rend in Murray the back pay if any, which I understand The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK: Not "high on the Praya would not be done away Barracks to Magazine Gap, opening up he forfeited by dying a few months earlier figures oficial Agures

The COLONIAL SECRETARY Official than it was decided ou

figures, I admit they are perfectly car rect, but out of date. If you want to koow the present state of Offairs you must take the present situation: I have the figures up-to-date. They are

COLONIAL SECRETARY'S REPLY ON THE DEBATE.

ing is going on.

with. The town is very narrow and the new sites all the way, as against the Wan-. destructor would have to be at one end chai Gap scheme which will open up no or the other and all stuff would have new sites. For a short distance this. to taken along the streets as now. An tramway, just referred to, will be oper incinerator must be more or less a ated by the rack and pinion method, and nuisance to people in the neighbourhood, for the rest of the way on smooth rails, and I think it would cause much more with no overhead construction. : It will trouble than finding an occasional cab make the journey in ten minutes and can Year 1922, Murders 35.

103 (first nine months), bage lenf on the pavement does have as many trams as are necessary? they will be able to go one after the Murders................. 21.

other the Peak Tramway means of haul- These are in many cases political mur. ders and have nothing to do with the As to Sayingpun School, the Director ing not being required. I think if that general state of crime in the Colony of Public Works informs me that the tramway goes through it fa a much bet Armed robberies were as follows— foundations will be finished shortly ter solution of the problem than the

Year 1922, Armed robberies: with

The plans are ready and contracts about Wanchai Gap Tramway. It does not go to be let but he cannot hold ous ay tended there, and I think residents will to Wanchai Gap, but can be easily ex- violence

hope of its completion before the middle. of 1925,

"

1093 (first nine months).............. 118 1922, Burglaries

109:

1923 (firat nine months).

1922, Larcenies 3,103

SAITIXUPUN SCHOOL

THE RAILWAY

prefer that journey rather than the other one at the far end of Queen's Road F suggest that the new scheme is a much better investment for our money than the tramway to Wanchai Gap M

youE PIERS FOR HONGKONGTH=" More landing piers on the Hongkong

The COLONIAL SECRETARY: Sir, my out standing impression from the remarks which have been made by the Hon. Mem hers who have spoken is one of surprise and I may add of gratification that they have found fault with so little, the reason being, perhaps, that they now keep themselves so constantly in touch with the Government over all matters connect ed with the welfare of the Colony that the programme before us records the con sidered opinion of the community, rather than ar porte recommendations by the

Figures have been asked for is to the Executive. The two main criticisms have

1993 (first nine months)1,504 Hability of the Chinese Section of the been in respect of the staffing of the

The figures are not very alarming A Railway for damages. Damages in this Public Works Department, and the strengthening of the Police Force. I point was made of the fact that the re-connection are hardly to be assessed in think that here I can largely refute the gular duties of the Police are interfered terms of money. It is true that under side are advocated. It is expected that the Senior Unofficial Member out of his own with by auch measures as opium and arms the working agreement we have regular new Statue Pier Wharf will be open to mouth in his advice to the Government searching and traffic control. The staff charges for late running, for demurrage traffic in about eight months and the that it should work according to business exclusively employed on traffic numbers of rolling stock and so on, out these are Government has under consideration

piers methods The Government does endca only-6 Europeans. The people you hardly applicable to the very exceptional bringing together of all the ferry your-although you may not think it to see with sticks at corners are employed circumstances at the present time. The except the Star Ferry pier and to pro- work according to business methods, bal in the double duty of traffic control and question of actual damage done to plant side concourse atra, the piars to be it has the custody of other people's Axed post. It is found that in the day and rolling stock is being carefully arranged in such a way that they will money, for which it is responsible, and time, when there are people about, a man watched The bill is being kept and it radiate from it like fingers from the palm heing that therefore it has to proceed with a can-is better able to look after his own pro will undoubtedly be presented in due of the hand, the intention tion which is not necessary to the in-perty and it is more advantageous to course. As to security, we collect at this people landing at one pier can go to dividual merchant who is taking his own have these fixed posts than patrols. A end of the line a considerable arm of another without a long ride through the private riska with his own private money man knows where to find the Police and money on behalf of the Chinese Section, streets. They suggest building bigger, We model ourselves rather, if I may say can run for help. It was very much im- by reason of the fact that we take fares permanent piers on both sides of the Har so, upon the Hongkong and Shanghai pressed upon us by representatives of the in Kowloon for the Chinese two-thirds bour. The Hunghou Bay Scheme is now Bank-which is also, an institution having Chinese community that people needed of the line, which is a longer stretch before the Chamber of Commerce and the custody and responsibility for other to know where they would be able to find that the one-third of the lias for which may interest members to know that with- people's money and not upon the indivi- the Police. Apart from the detective they take fares in Canton. Therefore, in the last few days, we have made an

agreement for a commencement of a vor dual who takes big risks in the hope of department, whose particular duty it in, there is always a balance in our favour tical sea wall at North Point which wi big profits It is not necessary, I think, the Water Police and regular searchers but it has not been the practies to hold be able to berth ships of 30 feet draugh to remind the business men of this Colony on wharves, this matter hardly encroaches this money against claims The Railway at any state of the tide and whare it will is suffering misfortunes through no fault he possible to sing the cargo across 235 of the danger of excessive optimism. We at all on the duties of the regular police.

The Senior Unofficial Member drew of its own, and I suggest that it is at foot road straight into godown. This all remember the rubber boom, when rub- hez was to be 108 LA for many years some unconvincing comparisons between least useless to kick man when he will form one of the most important steps to come and the 1918-1820 post-war the proportion of the value of goods lost is down. Unless we help them by for forward in the development of the Har- boom, when everything was roses all and the cost of the Police. One can only bearance in every way they must inevit hour that has been seen for many years the way We are now having our comment that the loss of one him diamondsoly separate themselves from us The Hon. Mr. PotoCK: Is that a Goy particular and extraordinary boom, which or a gramme of radium would play have under the working agreement, it is proernment enterpri is quite without parallel in the history with all your average. I may remind vided they have every right to do In The COLONIAL SECRETARY No, it is being of the Colony, and although the more the hon member with regard to the cost time of war or rebellion either section worked in conjunction with private enter- sanguine, as they always do, think on of the Police, which he has quoted as 173 has the right, subject to due notice to prisa. It is not a Government enterprise. this occasion that the thing is going on lakhs, for next year that that is by no the other party, to cut itself off entirely, forever, I think the majority view the means, the whole bill. We have in addi- I think hon. members will agree it is situation with what I may call a healthy fion; in these estimates, a very large kun useless to aidreas arguments to people optimism. The Government does so for extensions at the Police Stations, in the throes of civil war. With regard am sure that it considers very sound the married quarters and buildings generally, to the purchase of new plant, this is not Education is discussing the question of advice given to it by the Hon. Mr. Chow There was a point about the Police men to replace plant destroyed, but it in site with the Director of Public Works, La Shou-son-a man whose wide experience tioned in Mr. Bailey's letter. He men- necessary because the Chinese Section the meantime arrangemente are under of affairs entitles him, if anybody, to tioned Chinese Police patrolling singly have not got their quota. We have con- with Mr. Edkins for the loan of a room speak that we should not forget his The experiment has been made in serid stantly to turn away goods traffic boor rooms at Taikoo Club, and later on! words, but that we should watch Careing them out in couples and it was found cause we cannot handle utfor lack of hope to ask members of the Fines fally each demand for fresh expenditure, that the patrolling pairs pra never to rolling stock We think also it is wise Committed to vote furnitur for it so that when the rainy day comes be found except to a tea house. That he to keep up our stock as far as we CA THE INVESTMENZOF GOVERNMENT FUNDS, come it must we may be in a proper town is hardly a fair point to bring up suggested that we ought not

did not find men in one walk through the anticspation of better times. position of security.

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These beats are square and the men have added a number of very to go through all sorts of side streets, posta about twenty-five-to Take first this question of the staff of in particular where bad characters may fishment. These are certain the Public Works Department. In this be found and in the main roads you may required partly because Connection I have come across some strik, go some distance, sometimes, without hours the trains are running and ing figures in another connection entirely, finding a policeman. The only proper because of the increased use with regard to the effect of the boom on test in a series of patrole which, I under by the public, also boller land sales. In twenty years, from 1601 stand, the Deputy Superintendent of mechanice necessary because wo 1990, inclusive our total revenue from Police is about to undertake.

ing our stock to exha

is

nate

the Government has no money in it,

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