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Continued from

to

FRIDAY, JANUARY

the War

the ma

Office and the

will be mob satisfacto There can be no doubt about the pre taking is taken up by myse nature of this matter. With

and my bon phrey and gallant friend and such other men the Colony having a right to idars bets who are plowed to place their ser tion in this matter from the military vice at our deposal I will do my best authorities, it will be fresh in the minds to get the Secretary of State to consider of members of this Council what import the matter fully by placing the whole ant contributions the Colony made to the position before him, but I regret that, war in man power and money, and in for technical reasons, I am unable to sending home clothing for the troops at accept the the front. So far as the war itself is The Hon. Mr. H. E. Pouęce. Sir, I concerned this Colony played a very have got the right to reply according to worthy part. In the master of our old Bule to. Wa friend, the Military Contribution, I do not think it is quite realised what this Colony is doing. I would like to ver to the papers which were laid on the Council table do April 23rd, 1914, which

resolution

should be glad if the mili tablishme were removed

COLONIE

made available at moderate terms, and

imperid

view of

was intended, no doubt, to be a convincing answer by the War Offes to the complaint made in this Council the unoficial members that the Military Contribution was somewhat extensive. 1, more further away from Kowloon as well Ferry fairly cheaply and fairly quickly of building how to when the scheme

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from the

to

reselling

the house?

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of discussion.

of about

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ten acres, and

between the Colonial Government and the

on

Taim made under this scheme should be devoted to improvements beneficial to the Colony, POLLOCK-Not only such as providing hotel and bousing sbury Road, but at the back of Hum accommodation, and also extending facili question of housing, it is well known that classes us the community. They saw no

fata In connection with this tics

education among the various the Government is giving financial assist reason why the money should be devoted ance on this side for the erection of flats to those purpose, but thought that the and it seems only reasonable that assist money should come back into their own ance, of some sort should be given for pockets I must leave the community of the erection of houses in Kowloon. Of this Colony judge which is the better course, sir, in the erection of cheap way of deposing of profits, which may ant. It is necessary that land should he would have gone at home into the houses, the land question is very import be considered war profits, and which that only a moderate sum should be exchequer. The Government, tary

charged as Crown rent. Also, sir, in con- the action taken, which may in time from Kowloon as well as on this ride in with Kowloos, as your Excellency come before the courts, do not feel in My motion was conne

was confined to the military ing the outlying portion of Kowloon, on the proposals until the courts have is aware, there is the question of develop position to spend any of those profits capablishment in Queen's Road, and my around Shamsuipo, and if that part is to finally deals with the matter. There experienos tells me that if you deal with be developed is is obvious that therefore, the Colony has been deprived matters in detail you may get them carried should be reasonable means of communica YON

through, but if you do not, you may not thun. Roads must be made fit to carry

of what is urgently carry them through. I shall be glad if some form of service which would bring have been advanced for the purpose -needs-hotel your Excellency will get the military to people to Trim-sha-trar and the Star

accommodation, and money, which might

that paper there appears in despatch as Hongkong. In regard to the military With regard to the question of the out of building fats" was dated December 31st, 1913, from the

establishment in Queen's Road, I do not ying districts, I made a speech on the The University also has been deprived given op. Office with reference to the cost of the merely refer to the Murray Barracks, but subject of the housing problem which was of a quarter of a million of dollars, and garrison here în 1912 and 1915, and to other military establishments along fally reported in the "South China Morn education generally of a sum of fire working out the cost of the garrison for

Queen's Road much further east than ing Post" of April 10th, 1919. No doubt lakhs of dollars. With regard to the these years a number of items were put

Captist. With regard to this motion I think your Excellency will refer to that speech, Hon. Member's statement about Nathan in, auch items as medical service,

sir, that in order to show that the un- and I need not go into the points again. Road, the west side, the whole strip a board and lodging allowances, transport officials feel very strongly on this point, There is no doubt, air, as I stated just quarter of a mile long, has already been supplies, miscellaneous services and home and that they do desire that the matter, that the one very important thing the subject effective charges, deferred pay and may be pressed, we ought to press this the question of financial assistance only other vacant land is that beyond gratuition, showing that the War Office motion to a division in this Concil. 1 and must not be too dear, otherwise it Austin Head and Jordan Road which will bad every intention of making the bill think that this will impress the authoris will not be possible for people of mode be built upon possibly before very long. sa heary as possible. The cost of garritos st Home mach more than if I said at means to become the owners of their there are certain reasons why the lan soning the Colony during 1919-1913 was I did not press the motion. I think my

own houses. Another point in the develop beyond Jordan Road has not been built given as £814,000; and

and the Colon motion ought to be pressed I think all of a standard type of building, a certain The land between the Rifle Range, King's ment of the new, districts, is the erection upon and they are under consideration. Colony's con- tribution in respect thereof was £143,000 think any rules of red tape should stand standard type of house and standard Park, and the railway line is available

the unofficials press it and I do not odd. That certainly made it appear that in the way of the Generas Usticer Com-building materials, leading to facilities to the extent of the Colony was paying less than a quar-meading sitting on the Committee. I will of erection and economy; in building proposals were made some months ago, ter the cost of maintaining the garrison. further point out that I gave notice of Another point is the financing. In the that under an agreement which exists will be seen that we are going to send, in the interval to have communicated rent, that is a certain maximum rent, fortalen over by the Colonial Governmenta Turning now, to the figures, for 1890, it the motion, as long ago as the 3rd, of Crown leases there should be a standard Military authorities, the land, should be

Last month, and there was plenty of time home as military contribution $4 million dollars, and if you fix the rate of with the War Office by "telegram and totion, would bind people down against sum of $100,000 has been provided in tho a particular type of house. That condiThe cost is rather over $80,000, and B exchange forward at a favourable rate ao got the sanction for the General charging any higher rent for a particular you will be sending home in round figurescer Commanding to sit on the Com type of house, and it would have the effect Estimates this year for building houses £700,000. Assuming the cost of the garri been hard for the War Office to have re ontside and buying up houses and then dillerent sizes will be built there, and this mittee, which I think it would have or preventing speculators coming in from son now to be not largely in arcess of

that and Possibly 40 houses of the cost of the garrison in 1814 there fused-having regard to the fact that the putting up the rentals. I have no doubt will, I bepe, tend to relieve the situation beers every probability that instead of unofficials were, supported by the Govern that your Excellency is acquainted withRoad there is a large area of land, paying less than a quarter of the cost berefore, sir, I regret I must the fact that mode and that houses has been the subject of correspondance at Kowloon With regard to Chatham of the garrison, we shall be paying the HE. THE GOVERNOR For the reasons giving a comparatively small return between the Government and the owners

preas the matter to a division,

has come in sometimes

six or seven Borm unbuilt upon full cost of the garrison for the year which I hare, indicated I am afraid it chaser has 1920. Those are rather striking figures,

have been bought and the and I think, air, they should be taken will be useless for me to accept the

up the rent with

of the religious societies of Hong- into consideration by the

Emption for the reason that the General

kong, who, express a great desire to build profit they can see any, adéfunte return for authorities when considering any claim

wires.datamanding will not be able to member can read in the columns of the choir money. That matter is still being

not want air to repent-what which is made on them in connection with start to it, without the permission Morning Post of April 10th, 1819 widered, and I hope some means will be the removal of the military establish motion was then put and His worth while for the Government to take With regard to the advances made to the

of the War Office ments from Queen's Bead to some piace Excellency: declared the Noes have it on the question of introducing into this Humphreys Estate Company regarde There is also the question whether it is land to's proper use that of bousing

for putting that 1 which will not impede or inconvenience The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-Can we have Colony some law relating to Build Kowloon, to which the hon. and learned large area of the commermal expansion of this Colony-division foga I trust, sir, the Government will agree

ing Societies. Another point I with the unofficial members that this is ing, you should have called for a division development, was, the public debt of or the Government, it is proposed to build H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Strictly speak- tioned on the question of municipal

men-member referred, out of the sums lent a very important matter and in thinking before it that a Committee of the sort I have men- tioned is the speediest way of arriving already asked for it division,

The Hon Mr. B. E. POLLOCK-I had the question of obtaining the assent of cipal stipulation made is that the net

flats on land already this colony being comparatively small, eighteen

possession of the company and the prin at a solution of this matter. I will call H.E. THE GOVERNON-The hon. member term loans for the purpose of build return in rents should not be more than

the Secretary of State to short upon my honourable friend Mr. Dodwell to second this resolution, which, as I have never mentioned the word division. But ang development. 1 do not think I need eight per cent, so long as he more than stated, represents the unanimous opinion Not

Twill put the question again: Aye or especially as I have been given to underent. on capital expended includes, of say, more now on the subject, more wing to the Government. The eight per of unofficial members of this Council, The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK.We are not that, subject to certain amondments hon. and learned Member then raised the

we stand by the hon. the Colonial Secret the original cost of the The Hon. Mr. S. H. DonWELL-I beg expected. sir, to know what the proce the wording, the Government is prepared

course, not only the cost of erection he to serond the resolution. I have nothing dure of other Councils has been. We can to accept the principle of this resolution 1mportant point that land should be to add to the remarks Mr. Follock has only follow the procedure of the past in I will now ask the Hon. Mr. Parr toilable, on moderate terms for build- made on the subject

HE. THE GOVERNOR --I have listened this Council. I ask for a division. second the motion. with pleasure to the remarks of the hones The Hon. Mr. S. H. Dodwell, to second the resolution. The matter is demand, I should be very glad if be On the vote being taken there voted: The Hon. Mr. V. D. FARR-I beg old colony, where land is in tremendous ing purposes.If he is speaking, of the member, and I fully agree with him in the Hon. Mr. B. V. D. Parr, the Hon. one of the utmost urgency to the deve auld submit a scheme whereby the land regard to the matter being of very co Mr. Ho Fook, the Hon. Mr. H. Elopment of this Colony, and ap long, as could be made available for build- siderable importance. I am not sure that Pollock, the Hon. Mr. Lau Chu-pak, it remains unsettled our advancement He speaks of restrictions wherely a I agree that the Committee he suggests

ing on really moderate would be the most satisfactory method of and all the Official members.

Noche Hon. Mr. John Johnstone will be impeded. It will be agreed, I certain rent only should be charged and getting some action taken in the matter.

think, that it cannot be settled without a certain type of house built so that beard the rumour that, an intimation has hatimaybe, but I really do not think the maintance of the Government. I have speculators will fight shy of buying land. a quadrilateral correspondence, of which, The Hon Mr. HE POLLOCK, K.C., been sent Home that married men order that the Government abould for ten years past, I have had moved une following resolution, of which ed out to this station are advised not to do anything except advaos mo siderable experience. There would be previone, notice had been given:- bring their wives and families, because doubt there may be other ways of doing really five sides to the correspondence. But

Baked to there is a fatal obstacle to the acceptance for different sections of the com If it was necessary to send Home auch There would be no great demand for

That the various Houmag Schemes there are no borace for them to live in it, but this is certainly not the one way

No of the hor member's motion, because I think it will be impossible for my honour-

munity in various districts of the instruction it must remain a discredit to land for building on moderate rentals able and gallant friend, the General

Colony be now referred by the Gor the Colony, and the sooner the matter in While the suction principle of selling Officer Commanding, to serve on such a

ernment to the Public Works Com settled the better Committee without first getting the ar

mittee of the Legislative Council, The COLONIAL SECRETAET said: Sir, will run up. The hon, member referred to kland is in force, it is obvious that prices press permission of the War Office.

with power to that Committee to when the honourable and learned the development beyond Shamauipo, and Major-General Terms That is 80.

make suggestions as to the carrying member set in his motion dealing with bourhood, and for suitable roads, out and hancing of such schemes the general housing question of the these matters will, no doubt form the

means of communication from that H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I think that the

neigh best thing to do is to go an agreement methods of communication with the accommodation I was glad to see Works Committee. There are developmenta

and as to the improvement of the Colony and the extreme need for more e here, and then endeavour to induce the outlying districts which are sought it because it is a question in which of areas in contemplation near Sham subject of auggestions to the Publie authorities at Home to fall in with the to be developed by such schemes during the last eighteen months I have mapo, and the construction of wide ronds view Whether it, is well to proceed only The Hon. Mr. Fooox in moving the then considerable interest. The subject in that beighbourhood is proceeding with the question of the Queen's Road solution said:-Sir, we have heard from divides teclf into two parte in my To make the existing roads in Kowloon establishment, Murray Barracks, or also time to time during the last twelve opinion. It became acute after the re suitable for heavy traffic, I understand to include the Kowloon establishmenths that the Government proposed to port of Lient, Olitsky, of the Rockfeller from the Director of Public Work, The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Whitfield to housing, bat ur, a we know, the house bocanto perfowly, clear from his copost nom, and very expensive busi

various schemes with reference received. It would be HE, THE GOVERNOR-1 was not think reached a very acute stage. With refor Victoria made it fairly certain that the large sum down in the ing situation, especially in Kowloon, has that the overcrowding in the City of means of communication is settled the of the musheds on Nathan Road It is like to sak what has happened to the would be enhanced, greatly, by that over roads in. Kowloon; but that is only a ing of Whitfeld Barracks but the enoc to Kowloon in particular, I should seriousness of any epidemic of disease

have, to be undertakens move the military to a place Salisbury Road to erect a hotel in rowding, and it was essential that steps fraction of the sum required L highly desirable that we should Government

Estimates, $150,000, for improving the equally suitable for military par

That proposal was should be taken to provide housing suco non-member's speech as reported poses and les incouvenient to the civilian flata in Balisbury Road. I should like to elsewhere tosu in the centre of the City 10th, 1919, with great interest and I

mbsequently modified to one of erecting modation for a very large population, South China Morning Post"

read the

in the going to cost & considerable sum of money regard to Kowloon, there are as your the recommendations I made will be con- mentioned, and I am sure his proposals

eventuate in tast respect With further

on April to We cannot expect the military authorities Excellency pointed out, certain sites, adored in due course. It is a very large will receive every consideration. In to remove without providing them with along Nathan Road which are occupied by and difficult, subject, and a very much much of the new building at Shamsuipo some place to move to. We must not only mibles for males, and it must strike any more serious one in my opinion, than a standard type of house has been provide the site, but the buildings a body going through Kowloon that not the subject raised by the Hoa motober. erected and it has proved very satis well. So I think it is very clear that the only these sites hat the whole length of The other half of the mubject is praci lectory and I hope that when the build- farvery large expenditure do not think Boad on the west side of it would tiently one dealing-although the wording ing operations on the reclaimed land

matter is going to involve the Colony la we can establish such a strong argument homing accommodation. Another good of the community with the housing of will be erected. When money is losned suitable and should be utilised for of the motion says different sections are started that the same type of house me be suggests on the military contri-ite T between the road leading up to the European community and the housing various restrictions to standard bution and so forth. The answer to the the rifle range and the Kowloon Railway of the better-class Chiness. With regard houses and standard rents would statement that we are now paying the line Them is a very fine site there which to the European Community- I will deal be imposed. I would like to reler by the Government no doubt whole cost of the garrison, if correct could be titilised for building, and I hope first with the proposal I laid before the to what the Government is actually shows how small a proportion was paid the Government will be able to make so Council for building & hotel and flats in doing. Eight Houses are being in the past, and I shall be somewhat sur-statement with referende to this piece prised if the cost of the garrison does not anybody going to Kowloon is that there or thought we had, and things had reach Valley, and twelve houses at

land Another po

point sir, which strikes Kowloon. We had money for the work on the ridge shton materially increase. The course I pro ane certain comparatively large spaces of ed the stage of architects being on the of that hill. pose to adopt is to transmit to the Begre ground not very far from the ferry which point of making preliminary plans, when being erected on the Peak and tary of State the hon. member's motion are til not built upon, and it would see the owners of vessels requisitioned under very ahor

There are some with which, in principle, I am entirely that in agreement and ask him to induce utili

hese spacea of ground ought to be the local, schemes bethought themselves tei

urge area in the that

ble for build

I quite appreciate what he said about

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