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HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE

COUNCIL

PUBLIC ENTERTAINMENT

THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST, 1919.

You have cast upon you. sir, by the Charter of this Colony, the duty of govern- ing it with, such assistance as you are able to obtain from two Council-one, the Executive Council, which helps you to THE COUNCIL'S RIGET TO FRAME fore, of necessity, sit in secret: and the shape your policy and which lust, there REGULATIONS.

ORDINANCE.

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PUBLIC WORKS.

Public Works, Extraordinary, Hong

Urinals: kong, Buildings, (19) Larrines and

one, quite naturally, strives to bring for ward his own "point, and it is almost impossible for every person in a large, fail to rots" a sum of ons thousand and The Livernor, recommended the Cour, assembly, fully to realise the exact mean fighty dollars in aid of the following ing of verbal alterations." The result rates! often is that you get neither common- other, the Legislative Council, which is grammar. The hon. member has only to sense nor law, nor even. in sorte cases, here to help you to clothe that policy in consult some of the legislation in Eng- language, and, in doing so, to turn the land of five or six years ago to find plenty search-light of criticism on that policy of examples of whing I mean. and help you to mould it.

The proper There is no necessity whatever in this Colony for giv-tions always in the hands of a small course is to leave the franting of regula ing any legislative function to another HAS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (Sir body. In some piners. as at Home. the body. The members can go into them

MR." ALABASTER PLAYS A LONE'

HAND

A meeting of the Legislative Council was held in the Council Chamber pester day. There were present

REGINALD EDWARD STUBES, K. C. MAL),

Hon Fr.. CLAVE SEVERN, (Colonial Secretary).

with care, consider every point, it

ta) Trough Closer at Happy

Valley. (A) Urinal at junction of Sex-

.......$430,00 mour and Robinson Roads 030.00

Total

$1:040,00

The CHAIRMAS The first vote is duel arises the are not bound to adhere is required owing to a mollification in to an anderestimate. The secondi vote strictly to the rules of debate and pro- the original design. The urinal has been cedure. They may dodge from one rechanged from an above ground to regulation to another and back again if

ander ground one. that will enable them to draft the The vote was agreed to.

more satisfactory way,

MAGISTRACY. The power of the legislature is absolute.

machinery of Parliament is so cumber- HIS EXCELLENCY Montiyan soms that a certain amount of delegation VENTRIS, C.B. (General officer command of powers is absolutely necessary. Needs ing Troops in China)

must when the devil drives.""bu: it C.M.G.Wrong, and even in matters of form such

as the hon. and learned Attorney Genera K.C. has referred to there are great dangers insulations in a

delegating power. I would ask the hon. Hon Mr. C. Mol. MESSER, Ö.B.E.and learned member, when he has time. Colonial Treasurer).

"Hon. Mr. I E POLLOCK, (Aitarnes-fieneral).

Hon.

Mr

to read the decision in the Court of M.t.Appeal in the era of Dyson" and the Attorney-General if he wants to know what happens when power to maki, forms is delegated to other bodies.

W CHATHAM, (Director of Public Works)

The Mr E R. HALLIFAX, O.D.E.

(Secretary for Chinese Affairs).

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It has only to bring forward a resolution diring that the regalations which have been laid before it should be modified or cancelled and the matter is ther fully dis- used. The Legislative Council has just

mach power

Here, in

1

as if it had drafted

Hen. Mr. E. D. C. WOLFs (Capmin-this Colony, up to a certain point their the clagers. Take the present

Superintendent of Police).

Hon. Mr Lau Chu Pax.

Hon Mr CG, ALABASTER, OBE.

Hon. Mr. R. G. SHEWAN.

Hon. Mr. E. V. D. PARR.

Mr. A. & M. FLETCHER C.B.E. (Clerk Board of Trace we delegated those of Councils)

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL wg to move

tertainment."

bon unofficial members of this Cousei as to the Regulations made by the Gov- ernor-in-Council being submitted to the Legislative Council; I propose, sir, in committee on this Bill to move u,, new sub-Section to be called sub-Section B of use & to rend as follows:-

with

regulations

for

eil to vote as of one hundred dollars in aid of the following volis:

The Governor plommended the Couh|

Judicial and Legal Departments. B. Magistracy, Other Charges:

Electric Pais and Lights0.00 Vehicle hire for somunenses

י

Total

20.00

$100,00

The CHAIRMAN A. regards the first

expenditure goalh be ebarged.

tear there was no vate, to which this The sum for vehicle hire is due to the larger nun. her summonses served.

•

The vote was agreed t..

MQURINGA,

delegation of power" is mainly dome incase, those Ordinances which were adapted dealing with many matters of very small

framed from fome legislation. Where it as detail. found that certain powers were delegated the working of these regulations will it is extremely probable chat to the Board of Trude, as we had show that very minor amendments may powers here to the Executive. Council

to desire. For instance. I will take as But that was bad draftsmanship. It was provides that buckets of water of not a hypothetical case Regulation 36, which the second reading of a Bill intituled at Decessary. Four about 1912 a changelea than three gallons capacity shall be "An Ordinance to consolidate and amendems to have come over the policy of the placed in certain positions. It is very it to vote a

The Governor recommended the Coun the law relating to Places of Public En-overnment in this matter, and ever since conerivable that a bucket of three gallons dollars in aid of the vote farbour Mas sum of three thousand As bon members are then it has been asking.this Council to aware, the second reading of this Bill render itself absolutely imputent by sice to the requirements in certain cases. Special Expenditure. Acquisition and re may not be sufficient for, or may be excester's Department. t. Harbour Office, was held over because of a question whichevering its mascles tendon by tendon, has been raised many, times recently brand that policy must be stopped. We do ask that it may be enacted that the Barbour

Am 1,to come to this Council in order arrangement of moorings in Victorih not want bigislation, by Order-in-Council. Daring the war the exigencies of war three-gallon buckets of this Ordinance

The CHAIRMAN This is due to a pis made it necessary for this Council tr

may be made into two-and-a-half-gallons také Two additional moorings were make certain concessions, but the war is or ve gallons, as the case may be I ordered and it was thought that the rost over and this Bill is not a war measure, think you will agree that such a proof the two was $3,000. Afterwards it was nor a matter of appointing officers or cedure would waste a large part of the found that they were 83,000 each. Alvuté making forms. It is substantive law time of very busy men. It appears to was taken for $3,000 and now another which will govern the type of building to m both from a practical point of view vote is required for the second $3,000. and the guistions as to fire, etc. There the course we now propow to adopt is the be used for entertainments in the Colony and from the point of view of principle,

(Laughter.)

is no 2400

The CHAIRMAN-The vote seems to cause whatever why this Bil right one. should not be remodelled in Committee so

some ambeement. The Bill was then read a second time

It was merely schedule, and no reason why Clause 6, wider it clause by clause. as to include all these regulations in the and Council went into Committee to con

clerical error. There was no mistake by the Department. Some such procedure was adopted in the as it stands now, should not be abulished.

year 1911 in the Electricity Supply Billing in lines 3 and 5.

reler to the Bill as it was originally passed and not as it was amended in 1914. I would ask Your Excellency to accept for whith for some months we have the amendent and so preserve a principle

been fighting.

All regulations made as aforesaid shall be laid before the Legislative Council at the first meeting after they have been måde: and 'il a resolution. is passed at the next meeting, after they have been so laid before the Legislative Council. praying that may regulation shali be annulled, such regulation shail thenceforth be void, but without pre- judice to anything done thereunder.” "This proposed amendment to Clause v of the Bill is founded in the main upon the form of procedure in legislation in

.

were inserted after the words "build- In Clause 3 the words "or matshed

The vote was agreed to- MOTOR CAR.

a

The Governor recommended the Coun- Hon. Mr. C. G. ALABASTER moved, that cil to vote a sum of one thousand five

in Council power to make regulations, be Car Clause 6. the clause giving the Governor-hundred dollars on account of Miscel Janeous Servios, Purchase of a Motor-

the words be inserted that "The regula deleted and that, in substitution thereof,

The CHAIRMAN --It has been decided, now that the roads in the New Territories tions contained in the Schedule shall motor car for the use of certain depart-

have been "completed, to have a small;

govern alt places of public entertainments-Public Works, Forestry and so on, ment. He pointed out that this would make the regulations, which wore now ready, part of the Bill"

This amendment was not secunded.

order that the others may get to their work more quickly. A suitable car can be obtained; it has been examined and approved...

Hon. Mr. C. G. ALABASTER

is it not a

HIDDEN QUALITY

WHAT

SURFACE IS AS GOOD AS ON THE SURFACE.

A .PL CE OF FURNITURE MAY LOOK DUT- WARDLY ATTRACTIVE, IT MAY BM COVERED IN GOOD MATERIALS, THIM DESIGN MAY BE SOUND BUT IF

THE VEROFSIGHT PRATURES ARE NOT PO STANDARD, THAT MTEGE LACKS

QUALITY, “

· IS UNDER THE

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"IF

CLOSE ATTENTION ~ THËSE DETAILS THAT ENSURES EAUR ITEM ON

PRODUCTIONS BEING ENRIVALLED IN VALUE

MON- STREMPTION.

AND

WHAT ARE OUT

GOOD AS

OF

ON THE

SIGHT

ARE

SURFACE.

AS

IN UPHOLSTERY

BEST

HAIR STUFFINGS. AND IN WOOD WORK ONLY THE BEST OF THAK "AND" HARDWOOD.

WE USE ONLY ΤΕΕ PPER WIRE SPRINGS, FINE

THEREFORE OUR

AND

FURNITURE

UPHOLSTERY MEANS TO YOU DEPENDABLE HONEST GOODS AT WORTH WHILE PRICES.

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GENERAL COMMISSION AGENTS

(Hotel Mansions, Top Floor)..

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CHILDREN'S

ON

COLUMBIA The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that

all um lor which to buy a motor-car? The CHAIRMAN-It is not a new one. Hon. Mr. C. "G. ALABASTER Would it.) not be better to buy a new one?

CAPT. SUPERINTENDENT OF POLICE It i Lo very serviceable car. It is only three

The vote was agreed to.

POLICE DEPARTMENT.

the Colony of Ceylon, and, as a matter of îmes, sir, it very much embodies the principle which was suggested by the Hon. r. Dodwell as a member of, this

THE GOVERNOR'S REPLY, Council on the debate on the Rice Bill. HE THE GOVERNOR-I shall like to The her. member then asked, with refer speak on this matter myself instead of ence to this question, whether it would leaving it to my hon. and learned friend. meet the case if words were inserted that I have had to deal with legislation in a the Regulations should be submitted to good many Colonies and I can assure y the Legislative Council at the earliest pos hon. friend who raised this question Clan 8 as it stood in the Bill should sible moment without prejudice to the that the universal trend of legislation in be renumbered Clause ea, and that in validite of anything done. under them every civilised country is to reduce law's sub-section the words "peace and " My hon. and learned friend who repre

as far as possible, to essentials and put should be inserted before" good order."months old, sents the Justices stated, on that occasion, details into regulations which can be This was agreed to. that he was willing to make the conces

altered without the cumbersome machi sion if the hon. member would alter his

nery of three readings and the numerous amendment to read "at the next meeting other matters required. I am fully in of the Legislative Council," but my hon.

agreement with what lies behind the hoa, and learned friend at the same time also

member'a objection, observed that he would prefer the mend should be conducted by the legislature, that legislation ment he himself had proposed originally but that object is fully obtained by the With regard to the general principle of Regulations, made by the Executive Coun-power left to the legislature-the power çil being laid before the Legislative Coun-

to object to any of the regulations that eil, which has been raised, na I mentioned have been passed by the body, which, as "just now, by hon. unofficial members in I will proceed to demonstrate, is better this Council on several occasions recent able to draft regulations than the legis Ip, I am authorised by H.E. the Governor lative body. In practically every case to state that, except in the case of Reof recent legislation in England, the gulations dealing with matters of pure regulations have been left to the public form or of a trivial nature, the Govern departments to frame, with the usual ment is prepared, on all future occasions, power of Parliament to override them 'or to insert in Bills giving to the Governor to insist upon their modification. That, in-Council power to make Regulations, a I submit, is the only business-like course provision similar to, that which is now possible. I have been concerned with the being insorted as sub-Section (2) of Sec- drafting of a very large number of re- tion 6 of the Hill now under discussion.gulations and I suppose I have experience

Police and Prison Departments,, Police, Other Charges:

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that a new clause should be added, to be num- The Governor recommended the Coun regulations made as aforesaid shall be hundred and fifty dollars in aid of the bered b., reading" as follows:- Acil to vote a sum of five thousand une laid before the Legislatívə Council at the following voten.-

meeting after they bave been so laid be first meeting after they have been made; and if a resolution is passed at the next fore the Legislative Council praying that regulation shall thenceforth be void, but any regulation shall be anculled, such

without prejudice to anything done there- under."

This was agreed to. Thero

were no further amendmenta ney General moved the third reading of and, upon Council resuming, the Attor the Bill ag amended.

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The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the Bill was read a third time passed.

Council then adjourned sine die.

FINANCE COMMITTEE.

Good Conduct Reward Incidental Expenses Electric Fans and Light Becret Service Transport....

Total .....

$ 550.00

600.00

1,500,00

H00.00 1.500.000

.85,150.00

Conduct Awards the vote is 8900. ready it has been supplemented by 8600. and up to the end of September the ex appenditure has been 31,560. It is estimat ed that at least $550 more will be requir ed to meet the demand to the end of the The increase is due to rewarda year. having been paid to certain persons out side the service for their zeal and co- operation in capturing robbers. It is extremely satisfactory that during this year the publie have come forward to belp the Police and some very good capture have been made. The increase in incid

The CHAIRMAN-In the case of Good

At

A meeting of the Finance Committee followed, the Colonial Secretary presid ing..

MOOKINGS AND BUOYS. The Governor recommended the Coun"

ental expenses is due to the fact that the

It is hoped that this solution of the mat of every possible way of dealing with eil to vote a suits of one thousand three ter will meet with the approval of them, framing them and so forth, and 1/ hundred dollars in aid of the following vote has had to bear the charge of certain

hon, unofficial members. I shall bave

say, without besitation, that the methods

votes:-

one or two other amendments to suggest of having them framed by the Legislative Harbour Office. Other Charges:

left to

Harbour Master's Department, di- Moerings.

$ 400.00 Repairs to boats, buoys, etc 900.00

Total

TRAINING NULLAHS,

1,300.00

items of extraordinary expenditure: 8095 for expenses in regard to recruiting native police in India, 2573 for hotel ex ponses for the family of an inspector who was being sent back to England, 8200 for lodging expenge" for the families of two Inspectors while their quarters were, being repaired, etc. There was ao vote for these zums and it was found conveni- ent this year to take them from the vote of Incidental Expenses. The money for The Governor recommended the Coun faas land light is due partly to more. ofcil to vote a sum of six hundred dollars fans and lights being installed. The in- in aid of the Vote Public Works, Extra- crease for the Becret Bervice vote is due ordinary, Hongkong, Drainage, (14) to other demands being made for deserv Training Nullahs (a) Colonial Ceme ing cases. The payments made monthly are submitted to the Government. The ingresse in Transport is due to the fact that more men have been sent out into the New Territories im, connection with special undertakings on the frontier.

The vote was agreed to.

when in Committee on the Bill, but I will move them when we come to them.

Council is the very worse possible to be The COLONIAL SECRETARY BCConded,

conceived. Invariably it results in Hon. Mr. C. G. ALABASTER-Bir, while

them having to be amended, some. I appreciate the announcement that you

times very shortly afterwards. Tha The vote was agreed to. have authorised the hon. and learned renec why regulations are Attorney-General to make, I would ask

the public offices is not on account you if you could not go further and of any dosire 01 the incorporate these Regulations--which, in

H.M's. Cabinet to concentrate power in this instance have actually been re-shaped their own hands, but simply that the by a Committee of this, Council-in this aystem of leaving a large body of men Bill and delete from Bection 6 all refer to deal with regulations has been found ence to the other Council. The objection to be excessively unsatisfactory, owing to to this form of legislation is fändlichtal, the confusion in draftmanship. Every

part

teries,

The CHAIRMAKThe excess on this vote is due to the increase in the contract rates for drainage work from 12 per cent to 30 per cent. between 1918 and 1919..

The vote was agreed to.

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