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Mr. Ian Colven, and Mr. Fabian Ware as possible authors for the South African lectures, bad arrived at the conclusion that the writing of those lectures, as well as the finding of the material, should be entrusted to Mr. A. J. Sargent. Mr. Sargent was doing exceedingly good work for which, under the present arrangement, he was underpaid, and the only cause for complaint was the delay in the submission of the lectures. Of the eight Australasian lectures, seven had been written, but the eighth, that dealing with the Pacific Islands, had not yet been sent in.

Mr. Mackinder said he was glad to hear the good opinion of Mr. Sargent's work. The principal cause of delay, and the greatest difficulty in the way of the rapid production of the lectures was the scarcity of the illustrative material, and the consequent necessity for obtaining fresh material to fill the lacunæ. The amount of work required in adjusting the writing to the material was very great.

Sir Charles Lucas suggested that Mr. Sargent should be paid at a higher rate for the South African lectures.

After further discussion it was decided that the Sub-Committee should inter- press view Mr. Sargent, and should put to him the following proposals. He should on the completion of the Australasian set; he should then take up the South African lectures, for which he would be paid £100, and after that he should undertake the Canadian lectures to complete his present arrangement with the Committee. The whole of the work to be finished within such a time as should be agreed upon.

Mr. Mackinder thought it should be understood that the writing of the lectures would be Mr. Sargent's first duty after his University work.

Mr. Keith enquired what would be the effect of this arrangement on the pro- duction of the Canadian lectures; and Sir John Struthers asked whether those lectures could be written by another author.

Sir C. Lucas and Mr. Mackinder were of opinion that this course was not advis- able.

Sir John Struthers then asked that the collection of photographs for the Canadian lectures should be begun at once, and Mr. Mackinder explained that before this could be done an outline of the lectures would be required; very careful selections would have to be made from the material in the hands of the Canadian Govern- ments and of such bodies as the Royal Geographical Society.

Sir John Struthers submitted a letter from the St. Andrew's Provincial Com- mittee giving an account of the success which had attended the use of the lectures on India. It was predicted that further series of lectures dealing with the remainder of the Empire would be of great educational value.

Sir John Struthers observed that the present incompleteness of the scheme was a hindrance to its success, and that the cost of the slides was also a difficulty.

Sir Everard im Thurn said that the cost of the slides had been reduced to some extent in the case of the forthcoming set dealing with the Sea Road to the East, and that the reduction would be maintained in the case of the subsequent sets.

Mr. Mackinder gave it as his experience that some considerable time always elapsed before school books such as those issued by the Committee became widely known to teachers and education authorities.

It was decided to continue the allowance to the Secretary for six months from the end of March.

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No. 13.

VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE to MESSRS. NEWTON AND COMPANY, LTD.

GENTLEMEN,

[Answered by No. 14.]

Downing Street, 7 March, 1912. It is understood that you are prepared to undertake, for the Visual Instruc- tion Committee of this Office, the sale of the slides illustrating the lectures on the Sea Road to the East on the following terms, and I have to request therefore

will notify, formally, your acceptance of these terms:—

that

you

(a) The necessary slides to be provided by you at your own cost and to be sold by you at the following prices: (a) in sets including coloured slides, the complete set of 370 slides £29 10s. ; first lecture, £4 17s. 6d. ; second lecture, £5 5s.; third lecture, £4 10s.; fourth lecture,

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£5 7s. 6d.; fifth lecture, £5 15s.; sixth lecture, £4 15s.; (5) in sets in which the maps alone are coloured, the complete set of 370 slides, €20: first lecture, £3 10s.; second lecture. £3 8s.; third lecture, £3 (is.; fourth lecture, £3 10s.; fifth lecture, £3 12s. 6d.; sixth lecture, £3 13s. 6d.

(b) A royalty of 12 per cent. on the slides to be paid by you to the Crown

Agents for the Colonies on behalf of the Committee.

(c) An annual acount of the sale of the slides to be rendered to the Crown Agents for the Colonies, on behalf of the Committee, on the 1st of October of each year.

Messrs. George Philip and Son will publish the book of lectures for the Committee, and it is understood that you will arrange to have copies of the book- on sale.

3. I have to request that you will take steps, at the expense of the Committee. to copyright a sufficient number of the slides to safeguard the Committee, at an expense of about £1 5s.

I am,

&c., A. BERRIEDALE KEITH.

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No. 14.

MESSES, NEWTON AND COMPANY, LTD., to THE VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE.

DEAR SIR,

3. Fleet Street. Temple Bar, E.C., 8 March, 1912. WE have the pleasure to acknowledge the reception of your letter dated March 7th, 1912.* the terms of which we hereby accept.

The production of negatives, &e., has, as agreed, been charged to you as here- tofore, but we are not charging you for providing the first set of slides, as was previously the case when we supplied you with a depot set. All of the slides will be inade by us at our own cost without any charge to you.

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We remain, &c..

No. 15.

NEWTON AND COMPANY.

VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE to EDUCATION OFFICER, LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL.

SIR,

[Answered by No. 18.]

Downing Street, 9 March, 1912. With reference to your letter of the 14th of February,† on the subject of the reproduction of paintings in the possession of the Visual Instruction Com- mittee for use as wall pictures in the schools controlled by the London County Council, it is now understood that the Council propose to reproduce copies of the paintings, in which additions would be made to the original sketches.

I am directed to state that, in the opinion of Sir Charles Holroyd, who has been a member of this Committee from the time of Mr. Fisher's appointment, the great value of the paintings lies in the fact that they are sketches made on the spot. Sir Charles Holroyd further of the opinion that enlargements could be made direct from the paintings in their present state, except in a few cases in which Mr. Fisher might complete them in such respects as softening brushwork, filling in cracks in the paint, and finishing the details of faces.

The Committee would not therefore be prepared to approve of any method of reproduction which would involve altering or adding to the originals in any greater degree than is indicated in the preceding paragraph.

Subject to this condition the Visual Instruction Committee are willing to give permission for the preparation of the wall-pictures without making any claim for

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royalty if the Council will undertake to purchase one complete set each of the slides illustrating the Committee's lectures on India and those on the Sea Road to the East, which are now nearly ready for issue. In the alternative the Committee would ask for the payment of £1 for the use of each picture selected.

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No. 18.

DEPUTY EDUCATION OFFICER, LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL, to VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE.

I am, &c.,

W. E. NOALL.

DEAR SIR,

THE DEPUTY EDUCATION OFFICER, LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL, to THE VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE.

DEAR SIR,

Education Offices, Victoria Embankment, W.C.,

13th March, 1912. WITH reference to your letter of the 8th instant. asking that an assurance may be given that an acknowledgment will be made on the reward cards now in course of preparation that the reproduction of the pictures has been permitted by the Visual Instruction Committee of the Colonial Oflice, I have to say that arrangements have already been made for this to be done.

I shall be glad to receive your draft letterpress descriptions of the remaining pictures selected for reproduction at your earliest convenience.

[Answered by No, 20.]

Education Offices, Victoria Embankment, W.C.,

19th March, 1912. .

In reply to your letter of the 9th instant,* I have to point out that it was not the intention of the Committee that any alteration should be made in Mr. Hugh Fisher's sketches.

The proposal was that, as an experiment, one picture should be reproduced by lithography on a much larger scale, at one of the Council's institutions.

If this were done, the necessary details would be inserted in a new copy from which the several stones would he designed, and the original sketches would remain untouched.

I shall be glad, therefore, if you will be so good as to let me know whether your Committee would be prepared to agree to this proposal.

Yours faithfully,

B. M. ALLEN,

Deputy Education Officer.

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Yours faithfully,

B. M. ALLEN,

The Secretary,

Deputy Education Officer.

Visual Instruction Committee.

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No. 17.

No. 19.

SIR CHARLES LUCAS to MR. A. J. SARGENT.

DEAR MR. Sargent,

[Answered by No. 19,]

65, St. George's Square, S.W.,

15 March, 1912. I HAVE Seen Sir E. im Thurn, and. as arranged, we will meet you at the What is proposed London School of Economics at 3 p.m. on Friday, 22nd instant. is that you should, in addition to the Australasian and Canadian lectures the agreement for which stands -undertake a series of lectures on South Africa. You are including Northern Rhodesia, up to but not exceeding eight in number. asked not only to write the text of this South African series but also to select and arrange for the material for the slides the expense of collecting which will be borne by the Committee.

For the whole work, including the writing of the lectures and the selection and supervision of the slides, you will, if you undertake it, be paid on completion £100 and also be given two-thirds of the royalties on the sale of the text of the lectures (not on the slides) for five years from the date of publication, up to a maximum of £30, provided that these lectures are published by the end of 1912. Should publication be delayed beyond that date, the Committee will hold themselves free to reconsider the matter.

As has been stated, the old agreement, including the Canadian series, stands as at present; but the Committee will prefer, if possible, that the South African lectures should be taken either in priority to, or simultaneously with, the Canadian lectures.

summer.

I gather from you that you might be able to deal with both sets in the coming If you will-as soon as you can-settle in rough outline what material you will require from South Africa, as well as from Canada (in addition to what Mr. Fisher has brought us), we will do our utmost to expedite the matter.

If you agree to the terms set out in this letter, will you, when we meet next' Friday or after the meeting, give me a note to that effect?

C. P. LUCAS.

MR. A. J. SARGENT to SIR CHARLES LUCAS.

The London School of Economics

(University of London), Clare Market, W.C.,

March 22nd, 1912.

DEAR SIR CHARLES LUCAS,

I AGREE to undertake the preparation of the South African lectures on the terms and conditions mentioned in your letter of March 15th† on the understanding that I am not held responsible if, after the first draft of the lecture is submitted to the Committee, there is any serious delay in passing it through the hands of the erities. I propose to work the Canadian lectures along with the South African, but to set the latter going in the first instance.

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No. 20.

Yours, &c.,

ARTHUR J. SARGENT.

VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE to DEPUTY EDUCATION OFFICER, LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL.

DEAR SIR,

[Answered by No. 28.]

Downing Street, 22 March, 1912.

Is reply to your letter of the 19th of March, I have to inform you that the Visual Instruction Committee are prepared to agree to the proposal that, as an experiment, one of Mr. A. Hugh Fisher's paintings should be reproduced by litho- graphy on a much larger scale at one of the Council's institutions, but that they would ask the Council to abstain from issuing the reproduction unless it is approved by my Committee.

I am to add that if not more than 12 paintings are selected for reproduction as wall pictures, my Committee will be prepared to have the originals completed to the

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