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I shall be glad if you will be so good as to let me know, for the information of the Committee of the Council concerned, the amount of the royalty which the Visual Instruction Committee would require in respect of each picture selected.

PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE

Reference :-

C.O. 885

22 PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE, LONDON

ALLY WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE BE REPRODUCED PHOTOGRAPHIC:

COPYRIGHT PHOTOGRAPH-NOT TO

DEAR MR. SARGENT,

SIR E. IM THURN to MR. A. J. SARGENT.

39, Lexham Gardens, W., 8th February, 1912. I HAVE just received from Sir Charles Lucas his reply to me on the subject of your letter of 5th February* as to visual instruction lectures.

Sir Charles says that he will be back in London in the middle of next week, and that he will be prepared then to discuss the whole matter in detail. Meanwhile he agrees with me in recognizing that you have had much unexpected difficulty to contend with, and in not desiring to press unduly for the completion of your part of the work. But on the other hand it is now absolutely necessary that the whole series of these lectures should be completed and put on the market as soon as is in any way possible; and we are confident that you will do your best to help us in this.

We think that, as soon as we are both together in London again, we should pay, as agreed, for the set of " Imperial Stations lectures, which are now practically completed, as far as you are concerned; and we are very anxious that you should let me have the first draft of the general Australasian lecture and also of the Pacific lecture at your very earliest convenience.

I should also like to hear from you as soon as possible as to what further help, if any, you require in the matter of getting illustrations for the whole Australasian series.

EVERARD TM THURN.

77658/11

No. 10.

•

VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE to EDUCATION OFFICER. LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL.

[Answered by No. 11.]

DEAR SIR,

Downing Street, 12 February, 1912. WITH further reference to your letter of the 13th of October, 1911.f I am directed to inform you that the Visual Instruction Committee would be prepared to give permission to the London County Council to reproduce a selected number of the paintings by Mr. A. H. Hugh Fisher, for use as wall-pictures in the Council's schools.

The Committee would ask for the payment of a royalty, as was suggested in the case of the lantern slides, and would wish that the Council should arrange to allow the Committee to supply other possible purchasers from the same source as the Council supply themselves.

7658/11

I am, &c.,

W. E. NOALL,

Secretary, Visual Instruction Committee.

No. 11.

EDUCATION OFFICER, LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL, to VISUAL INSTRUCTION COMMITTEE.

DEAR SIR,

(Received February 14, 1912.)

[Auswered by No. 15.]

Education Offices, Victoria Embankment, W.C.,

14th February, 1912.

I HAVE to thank you for your letter of the 12th instant, stating that the Visual Instruction Committee of the Colonial Office will be prepared to give per- mission to the Council to reproduce a selected number of the paintings by Mr. A. Hugh Fisher for use as wall pictures in the schools maintained by the Council, and adding that the Committee would ask for the payment of a royalty and would wish that the Council would arrange to allow the Committee to supply other possible purchasers from the same source as the Council supplies itself.

• No. 7.

† No. 110 in Miscellaneous No. 219.

‡ No. 10.

12015/08

Yours faithfully,

B. M. ALLEN,

Deputy Education Officer.

No. 12.

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE COLONIAL OFFICE AT 3.30 ON WEDNESDAY, THE 6тH OF MARCH, 1912.

l'RESENT:

Sir CECIL CLEMENTI SMITH (in the Chair). Sir PHILIP HUTCHINS.

Sir JOHN STRUTHERS. Sir CHARLES HOLROYD.

Sir EVERARD IM THURN.

Sir CHARLES LUCAS.

Dr. HEATH.

Mr. KEITH.

Mr. MACKINDER.

Mr. NOALL (Secretary).

The Chairman read a letter from Mrs. Roberts to Lord Meath in acknowledg- ment of the resolution of sympathy passed by the Committee at the last meeting.

The minutes of the last meeting, having been previously circulated, were adopted.

The Committee were informed that the book of lectures on the Sea Road to the East was finally in the publisher's hands. It was agreed that Messrs. Philip should he asked to send full prospectuses and specimens of the book to the Governors of the Colonies dealt with in the lectures. A notice to the Press should be sent from the Colonial Office when the book was ready for publication.

The results of the negotiations with the London County Council were then reported. The Council had selected 24 paintings for reproduction as reward cards, and proofs of the cards were exhibited.

With regard to enlarged wall-pictures, an offer had been made to the Council to allow them to reproduce selected pictures on payment of a royalty.

It was understood, however, that the Council did not wish to enlarge direct from the paintings, but to have more finished copies made, and to reproduce those. Sir Charles Holroyd objected to this method. He said that the great value of the paint- ings lay in the fact that they were sketches made on the spot, and deprecated any additions. He believed the paintings would reproduce on a large scale, with the exception of a few which needed Mr. Fisher to complete them in such respects as softening brush work and finishing faces.

Sir Charles Lucas enquired whether the paintings might be sold to the Council. Sir Everard im Thurn did not think the Council would buy, and Sir Charles Holroyd, while having no objection to sale to the Council, thought it incumbent on the Com- mittee to take care into whose hands the paintings were allowed to go.

Sir Charles Lucas proposed that the Council should be allowed to make wall- pictures if they would purchase one set each of the slides illustrating India and the Sea Road to the East, otherwise a charge of £1 should be made for the use of each picture selected.

The Committee decided that a letter should be written to the Council with regard to wall-pictures, embodying Sir Charles Holroyd's observations and Sir Charles Lucas's proposals.

Sir Charles Lucas, in reporting progress, wished to acknowledge the great help which Sir Everard im Thurn had given both in regard to the slides and the lectures. The Sub-Committee, after having had under consideration the names of Mr. Kerr,

No. 135 in Miscellaneons No. 219.