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Mr. Mackinder said that the lectures on India would be sent immediately to the printers for final proof, and would be ready towards the end of the month.

Sir Charles Lucas explained that delay had been caused by submitting the lectures to the India Office for approval.

Mr. Sadler suggested that the lectures should be brought to the notice of vari- ous educational bodies in England by delivering them before teachers and students in the same way as will be done in London by Mr. Mackinder. He mentioned New- castle-on-Tyne, Manchester. Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Nottingham, Birmingham, Norwich, Reading, Bristol, and Exeter, and promised to assist in the matter as far as possible. The chief difficulty would be the cost of providing sets of slides.

Sir John Struthers considered that the same course could be adopted in Scot- land. He promised to approach the three principal authorities-Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Aberdeen-and asked to be supplied with copies of the book of lectures. Ile thought that those bodies might be prepared to purchase sets of slides.

The Committee then considered a proposal that the lectures should be issued as an illustrated book at a popular price. Both Sir John Struthers and Mr. Sadler believed that such a book would have a large sale.

Mr. Sadler was of opinion that it would be necessary to secure the copyright in the United States and elsewhere, since he was convinced that there would be a great demand for the book in America and throughout the Empire.

In reply to Sir Charles Lucas, Mr. Mackinder said he thought that a publishing house with branches or connections abroad would undertake to secure the copy- right, and mentioned Messrs. Nelson as a suitable firm.

The Committee agreed that Sir John Struthers and Mr. Mackinder should interview Messrs. Nelson and other firms, with a view to ascertaining what terms could be obtained. Mr. Sadler said he was willing to help if required.

It was suggested that there should be a permanent agreement for the issue of the book, the Committee retaining the copyright and the profits on the sales, and a temporary agreement for a limited first edition to be issued by the publishers, on which a royalty would be paid to the Committee.

The Committee agreed that their representatives should be given a free hand in the negotiations, but that a meeting should be convened as soon as possible to receive their report, and to ratify the arrangements arrived at.

Sir Charles Lucas drew attention to the financial position of the Committee, and pointed out that the Princess of Wales' Fund would be entirely exhausted by the 31st of August, when the arrangement with Mr. Mackinder and Mr. Fisher would end.

Mr. Mackinder said that as the result of their expenditure the Committee had the lectures on India completed. In addition material was available for illustrat- ing three further sets of lectures, on Canada, Australasia, and the possessions from Gibraltar to Weihaiwei.

Sir John Struthers urged that the Committee should develop the material already accumulated before collecting more.

The Committee agreed that they were not financially in a position to send out an artist at present, and it was decided that Mr. Fisher should be informed that they were not prepared to make a further arrangement with him. The question of an exhibition of his pictures was raised, but discussion was postponed.

Mr. Mackinder's position was then considered. He explained that, until an artist was sent out again, there would be no question of the payment to himself of a retaining fee for general management. He offered to write two sets of lectures, in addition to those on India, on the terms of the original arrangement as to fees for authorship, and royalty. The Committee accepted this offer. The order in which the two sets should be produced was left to Mr. Mackinder's discretion.

Sir Charles Lucas proposed, and the Committee agreed, that the payment of £4 a quarter to Mr. Mackinder for secretarial assistance, and of £25 a year to the Secretary to the Committee, should be continued.

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Mr. Mackinder said that he hoped to have the Canadian edition of the lectures on the United Kingdom ready in September.

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Messrs. Waterlow to send three proofs of the Indian Lectures to Mr. Chamber- lain about the 15th August. Mr. Chamberlain to send one of these to Sir C. Lucas and one to Mr. Mackinder, who will be abroad. Mr. Mackinder to send his copy finally read to Sir C. Lucas. Sir C. Lucas to return the finally settled proof to Messrs. Waterlow not later than 1st September. Messrs. Waterlow will then print and bind 500 copies, and will deliver them to Mr. Chamberlain not later than 20th September. Messrs. Waterlow will arrange to secure copyright in the United States as cheaply and as early as possible. They will, however, send unbound to Mr. Cham- berlain six copies not later than 10th September. Mr. Chamberlain will send four of these copies to Sir John Struthers, who will forward them to Messrs. Nelson, Collins, Macmillan, and any other publisher whom he may select. He will, at the same time, indicate the desire of the Committee for a cheap edition on a large scale. In the last ten days of September, Sir John Struthers and Mr. Mackinder will meet the several publishers in London and arrange terms, which will be submitted to the Committee for approval on one of the first days of October. The 500 copies printed by Messrs. Waterlow will not be issued until the question of securing American copyright has been settled. That done they will be at once published. The Press will then receive a paragraph, and Messrs. Newton will be free to sell the slides. Mr. Mackinder will commence the sample course of lectures for teachers in London on October 8th. Sir John Struthers and Mr. Sadler to consider within the next two or three weeks what arrangements can be made for the delivery of similar lectures in the north and midlands of England and in Scotland, in order that Messrs. Newton may have ready the required sets of slides. A depôt set will be ready by the 15th September, and this set will be used by Mr. Mackinder for his lectures London.

At least three other sets will probably be needed for the lectures to be arranged by Sir John Struthers and Mr. Sadler, who will please consider how these sets are to be paid for, no funds for the purpose being at the disposal of the Visual Instruction Committee.

C. P. I.

5 August, 1910.

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I had a long talk with Mr. Fisher to-day and heard about his travels.

H. J. M.

He is very anxious to have an exhibition of his pictures, stating that this is

one of the main assets of his tour, and that Sir Charles Holroyd looked through his pictures and said they were all fit for exhibition.

He also wishes to show some of his etchings at the Etchers Society's Exhibition, but this a smaller matter than the question of an exhibition of his own works alone.

I suggested that the Festival of Empire might give an opportunity for an exhibition, but promised that I would call a committee meeting early in October. at which he should be present and have his say. effect.

I told him to write to me to that

I told him that he would not be wanted this month or September, and that Crown Agents had been or would be authorised to pay what is owing to him. He quite realises that his engagement expires at the end of this month, and I told him that money would not permit more tours at present.

8th August, 1910.

C. P. L.