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extend operations on the same principle, but if we try to get too much at once we shall fail altogether to carry anything.
Sir ALBERT HIME: I quite agree with Sir Edmund Barton-confine it to the United Kingdom to start with.
Mr. FULLER: Each Colony with the United Kingdom and not interchangeably?
Sir ALBERT HIME: Not yet.
Sir EDMUND BARTON: My draft resolution is in that respect more general than I intended.
Mr. FULLER: It is rather on that that I made the remarks I did.
Sir ALBERT HIME: There are certain Colonies, such as your own.
Mr. FULLER: And my Colony, which has got nothing to export. would be a great advantage to Mr. Seddon's Colony.
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Sir ALBERT HIME: It would be a great advantage sending goods in at our ordinary rate of Customs duties to Natal and into the Cape Colony, because we import largely into Cape Colony and Natal now both from New Zealand and Australia, and we have nothing to give them in return.
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Mr. SEDDON: I see, in framing our Resolution, we have got to that now, that it ought to be a rebate in reference to a prepared list of certain goods and manufactures that would really be a benefit to England, not a general rebate all round.
Sir WILFRID LAURIER: I quite see the difficulty in these three aspects, general reduction of tariff, reciprocal advantages and bounties
Mr. SEDDON: Yes.
The SECRETARY OF STATE: I think probably we have gone as far as, in a general conversation, we can advisably go to-day, and I would suggest that we now adjourn and take the matter up again on Tuesday next, if that is convenient to all present, and meanwhile, perhaps, we might expect that at the next meeting the Canadian representatives present their figures, if possible, in a printed form. I do not know whether it would be con- If you have the material all ready, it might be printed before the meeting and sent round. If not, it could, perhaps, be prepared in a printed form by the time of the next meeting.
venient.
Mr. PATERSON: Would type-written form do?
The SECRETARY OF STATE: Yes, if it is not too long.
Sir EDMUND BARTON: How long do you think it could be put in our aands before the meeting of the next Conference, because we should like an opportunity not only of reading but thinking it over?
The SECRETARY OF STATE: We could have it printed if you would give us the manuscript.
Mr. FIELDING: The memorandum deals with the trade between Canada and Great Britain. We have been trying to meet the argument that the preference has not materially helped British trade.
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Mr. PATERSON: Our document is largely prepared to present the other view from that which is contained in the document which has already been presented to the Conference. We will discuss it to-day, and give it to you
to-morrow,
Sir WILFRID LAURIER: In time for the meeting of the Conference on Tuesday next at eleven o'clock.
The SECRETARY OF STATE: Will the Conference meet, as Was arranged, on Tuesday. Wednesday, and Friday, or is there any engagement which would prevent that?
Sir EDMUND BARTON: Some of us had arranged to go down on a steamer to witness some experiments with wireless telegraphy, but I do not think we should let that stand in the way of a meeting of this Conference.
The SECRETARY OF STATE: Thursday is our Cabinet day. That is why Thursday is excepted.
Sir WILFRID LAURIER: Let us adhere to our plan.
Sir ALBERT HIME: Let us adhere to Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday.
The SECRETARY OF STATE: Then, Tuesday next at eleven o'clock.
Adjourned to Tuesday next at Eleven o'clock.
FOURTH DAY.
Tuesday, July 22nd, 1902.
PRESENT:
The Right Honourable J. CHAMBERLAIN, M.P., His Majesty's
Secretary of State for the Colonies.
The Right Honourable Sir WILFRID LAURIER, G.C.M.G., Premier of
Canada.
The Right Honourable Sir EDMUND BARTON, G.C.M.G., D.C.L., Premier
of Australia.
The Right Honourable R. J. SEDDON, Premier of New Zealand.
The Honourable Tnos. EKIN FULLER, for the Right Honourable Sir
GORDON SPRIGG, G.C.M.G., Premier of Cape Colony.
The Right Honourable Sir ALBERT HIME, K.C.M.G., Premier of Natal. The Right Honourable Sir ROBERT BOND, K.C.M.G., Premier of
Newfoundland.
The EARL OF ONSLOW, G.C.M.G., Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State
for the Colonies.
Sir M. F. OMMANNey, K.O.B., K.C.M.G., Permanent Under-Secretary of
State for the Colonies.
Sir JOHN ANDERSON, K.O.M.G., Secretary.
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