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C.O. 885
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Were you willing to take work other than the work in your own particular line?—Yes.
Did you tell them so at the Bureau?-Yes. I told them I had had farming experience.
Did you offer to do farm work?—Yes.
Did they find you any?—No.
Cross-examined by Mr. RAEburn,
How did you first of all describe yourself to the Labour Bureau?--I asked for any sort of work; farming, or railway work.
What was the first thing you suggested?-I wanted any vacancy there was- farming.
Did not they ask you when you went what your particular line was?—Yes. What did you say it was-Storekeeper.
What had you been before you determined to go out to the Argentine ?—Steel
works at Gorseinon.
In what sort of capacity were you employed there?-Sorter, most of the time. What about your farming experience?-I was brought up on a farm. Was it similar to Mr. Nelson?-I was brought up on a farm.
How did you come to hear of Wainwright Brothers?--I sent to Lloyd's office in Amsterdam, and the letter was returned to me through Messrs. Wainwright.
You applied direct?-Yes, to see if I could go cheaper. There was a £5 rate. Had you any friends who had gone out to the Argentine before?—Yes, I knew one chap who went out there, but he has come back lately.
Had he gone out at the £5 rate?--No, £7 I think.
You mentioned a £5 rate. Who led you to think there was a £5 rate?--I saw
it advertised in the papers.
What papers?-The "News of the World."
When?-Last March or April.
Whose advertisement was it you saw in March or April?-Mr. Hetherington's. I believe.
I suppose you have not got the paper. Can you tell me the name of the paper
it was in? The "News of the World," and the "Daily Chronicle."
What did the Holland Lloyd Company tell you when you wrote to them? They sent it to Wainwright Brothers and I had a reply from them. They sent me some pamphlets.
Were they the same pamphlets that you got from Mr. Hetherington ?—Yes.
Re-examined by Mr CoмYNSs Carr.
And you had already read those when you received them from Mr. Hethering- ton?—Yes.
(The witness withdrew.)
Adjourned to Saturday morning next at half-past ten.
Third Day.
Mr. LEONARD MOORE, sworn.
Examined by Mr. COмYNS CARR.
You live at 16, Gay Street, Putney?—Yes.
Are you an engineer?—Yes.
In November, 1912, did you see an advertisement in the "Daily Chronicle" in
the name of Hetherington?-Yes.
Did you call at Mr. Hetherington's office, 161a, Strand ?--Yes.
Did you see him there, this defendant?—Yes.
Did you ask him for advice about Buenos Ayres?—Yes.
What did he say? Well, he said he had never had any complaints about the place, and it was all right, and I was the sort of chap to get on there, being strong. Did he give you some booklets or pamphlets about the Argentine?—Yes. Just look at that small white pamphlet. (Handed.) Was that one of them?- Yes.
The CLERK That is Exhibit 3.
Mr. COMYNS CARR : Did he give you any of the others that are there. Look at that yellow one?—No.
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Only the white one?-All except this one.
He gave you all except the letter from Mr. Green ?—Yes.
I see. Did you book a passage by--what was the ship?---The
Is that one of the Royal Holland Lloyd ships?—Yes."
Did you arrive at Buenos Ayres on December 21st, 1912?—Yes.
Hollandia."
And did you apply there to the authorities for work, for employment ?—Yes. Were you able to find anybody who could speak English-No.
Later on did you find anyone of the officials who could speak English?—Yes. Who was that?-A boy about sixteen.
Did you continually apply to him?—Yes.
For about how long did that go on ?-For about a fortnight.
And was any employment found you?-No.
Were there other Englishmen with you?--Yes.
Did they also apply for work there?—Yes.
Did they get any No.
Did they afterwards send you to look for work at a place called Rosario?—Yes. They never sent me. I went myself.
Did you get any there?—No.
On returning to Buenos Ayres did you find any work there?—No.
And did you apply to the British Consul?—Yes.
By that time had you got any money left?-No.
And ultimately did you work your passage back to England on the "Highland Scot "?—Yes.
Cross-examined by Mr. RAEBURN.
Were you here the last day this summons was heard?—Yes.
In Court? Yes.
And on the time before?—Yes.
When were you first asked to give evidence?-About five to six weeks ago.
Did you go to the Board of Trade?—Yes.
How did you come to go to the Board of Trade?-Through one of my mates. What is his name?-Mr. Wright.
He is the hotel store keeper and commission agent, I think?—Yes.
He gave evidence here the first day?—Yes.
Did you ever go to Mr. Hetherington when you got back?—No.
Why did you not go to Mr. Hetherington before going to the Board of Trade?—
I do not know.
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Had you any complaint against Mr. Hetherington?—No.
WILLIAM ERNEST WHITE, sworn.
Examined by Mr. ComYNS CArb.
You live at 6, Chapter Terrace, Kennington ?—Yes.
Were you formerly bottling foreman at Alsopps' ?—Yes, that is right.
And afterwards a commercial traveller?—Yes.
The CLERK What are you now?-I am not doing anything at present.
Mr. COMYNS CARR: In August, 1912, did you see an advertisement in the
Daily Chronicle" with regard to South America ?—Yes.
Was that in the name of Hetherington ?—Yes.
At that time did you obtain fresh employment in England, and give up the idea
of emigrating for the time?-No. At that time I was in a job which I knew had got to finish off, and I was contemplating going abroad in preference to looking for another job.
At that date, 1912, you did not go abroad?—No.
In October, 1913, were you in employment as traveller with a firm of metal workers?—Yes.
Were you then desirous of going abroad? Yes. I was not doing as well as I should like to have done in the travelling job, and I decided to try Buenos Ayres.
Mr. RAEBURN: Sir John, since the last adjournment we have been served with three more summonses, and this is the real prosecutor in one of the new ones.
The MAGISTRATE: I cannot shut out the evidence.
Mr. RAEBURN: No, I did not ask for that. I was only explaining how it arises. I thought you might have a difficulty as to how it arose.