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really review them or I hope to get an answer to the effect that a review would be carried out as soon as possible not only on the size of the toilets but also the licensing requirements generally and on hygienic standards. This should be looked at from the legal point of view and on the actual hygienic need. Changes should also be made to the Building Ordinance. All the changes should be made before a licence is issued.
MR. L. H. KWAN (in English):---Madam Chairman, I think the comments made by my dear friend, Mr. MAN, have been noted. I think that in the forthcoming meeting we will consider the points fully and I would extend the invitation to Mr. MAN if he is not a member. If he is a member, I think we will be very glad to discuss this matter with him in the open meeting.
THE HON. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN (in English):-Madam Chairman, I don't think Mr. KWAN has answered my point. I did make a suggestion that for next year, since there are quite a few months for preparation, that the Select Committee could consider a special campaign for clean toilets in the urban area?
CHAIRMAN (in English):-Would that be under Food Hygiene or under Environmental Hygiene? Mr. Kwan, do you want to answer this question?
MR. PETER C. K. KWAN (in Cantonese):—Madam Chairman, since everyone has suggested that the Chairman of the Food Hygiene Select Committee consider various points, I would like him to consider one or two points as well. Clean toilet campaign is not a bad thing, but if the Urban Council does nothing except keep toilets clean, I think we should really consider this more carefully. But to keep toilets clean, we must be very fair. The habits of people who use the toilet in various types of food premises are different. In the large hotels, their standard of hygiene of the toilets is different. In the four floors of this building, the standard of hygiene in the toilets on the different floors is different. It depends on the education level of people who use the toilets and their habits of personal hygiene. So I think generally toilets should be clean. Some would keep the toilets clean, regardless of whether you will urge them or not. However, a clean toilet campaign should be a subject of careful consideration.
CHAIRMAN (in English):-May I remind the Members we are not having a debate. Would you keep your question?
MR. PETER C. K. KWAN (in English):---Madam Chairman, I support the idea of having it discussed in the Food Hygiene Select Committee.
MR. L. H. KWAN (in Cantonese):-Madam Chairman, I agree with Mr. CHEONG-LEEN and Mr. CHAN regarding the clean toilet campaign, but I do not agree
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with Mr. CHAN that in this building the toilets on every floor have different levels of cleanliness because I haven't been to the ladies' ones yet.
(Mr. Walter M. SULKE and Miss Victoria Y. CHAN left the meeting at 4:17 p.m.)
14. MR. FAN KAM-PING asked the following question (in English):— (a) There are from time to time complaints in the press that the Queen Elizabeth Stadium and the Hong Kong Coliseum are only infrequently used for holding recreational and sports activities. May I know the number of such recreational and sports events that had been held last year at both of these two venues?
(b) It is considered by some critics that the hire charges of the above two venues have been a deterring factor for sports associations hiring these venues. May I ask:-
(i) what are the existing hire charges of the above two Urban Council venues?
(ii) are hirers of these venues receiving a subsidy from the Urban Council and if so, how much?
(c) Is there any concessionary rate given to non-profit-making organizations hiring the above two venues?
MRS. NELLIE FONG, CHAIRMAN OF THE ENTERTAINMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English): This question deals with the use of the Hong Kong Coliseum and the Queen Elizabeth Stadium for recreation and sports activities, and is in four parts.
On the first part, that is, the number of recreational and sports events held at these venues last year. The answer is: for the QES venue, a total of 34 events were held involving 50 Booking Days, whilst for the HKC, 4 such events were held involving 7 Booking Days.
With regard to the second part of the question, the existing hire charges of QES and HKC arena are based on a minimum charge of $8,000 and $33,000 respectively per day or 20% of the gate receipts from paid admission, whichever is the greater.
The short answer to the third part of the question is that the two venues do not offer any subsidy scheme to hirers as the Statement of Aims of the stadia is to render the HKC and the QES, as far as possible, financially self-sufficient. However, the Council has played an active part in organizing and sponsoring various recreational and sports events in both stadia. Sports Associations can work through the Sports Promotion Office. Statistics show that a total of $274,410 has been spent in subsidizing 16 events in the arena and $69,060 for 14 events in the Multi-purpose Hall of QES in 1987/88. Similarly, a total of $103,627 has been spent in subsidizing a five-a-side soccer spectacular in the HKC.
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