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is concerned but whether the same plan can be repeated at Wong Tai Sin or elsewhere, that is the next stage. I think we have to walk before we can run.
MR. BERNACCHI : The other supplementary is the tenants of these rooms all pay rent inclusive of the use of these communal lavatories so has the Commissioner gone into the costing of full-time attendants for these lavatories?
COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: We have not done a separate costing for the lavatories alone but we have done a sort of total cost of the whole of the estate, the actual costing as at 1967, a paper will shortly be submitted. It is not quite ready to be submitted.
MR. BERNACCHI: Third supplementary. I mean by the second supplementary, would it be practicable to engage full-time attendants on these communal lavatories?
COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I am quite prepared to propose to Committee for discussion. It is really a management problem. The whole thing was to my mind, my personal opinion without prejudice to the Committee's view, I should have thought education at home by parents on morals and also resettlement estates might help to change the attitude of children rather than putting full-time attendants just to guard hooligans so to speak, Peeping Tom. Even if you put them, when you try to post an attendant for around the clock duties you will need three persons to man one post and if you allow for sick leave and all the rest of it, you'll probably find that you need for every post not three but probably four and a half. I think, whether the problem is measured or whether the complaints raised really justify the posting of three attendants to a lavatory, I would not know. I think the subject could be discussed at a meeting and I am quite prepared to produce a paper.
MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, the complaints are serious and I would suggest a cheaper way. I think if you just put an attendant he mightn't do his duty. I think the cheaper way would be to put doors on all those toilets and I think this would solve the problem. Short doors.
COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: On the question of doors I have had complaints and comments on doors in the lavatories. I am told that certain highly reputable public schools in England today still have the lavatories without doors.
MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, I would ask, through you, the Commissioner for Resettlement if in the future paper to be prepared, could consideration be given for the improvement structurally for those communal lavatories including the doors and other structural things which could improve the present state of the lavatory?
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COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I have promised to produce a paper for consideration by the Committee. I hope the paper will include all costings together with all the other proposals.
MR. MACKENZIE: Mr. Chairman, might I suggest .
CHAIRMAN: Are you asking a supplementary question?
MR. MACKENZIE: Could I ask the Commissioner if he would not agree that adequate lighting, and I certainly do not include a single 40w bulb as adequate lighting in a communal area, but adequate lighting would be a deterrent to this hooliganism?
COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: That could be discussed at the Committee, Sir. I would not like to give a personal opinion.
MR. JAMES M. H. Wu: Mr. Chairman, Mr. MACKENZIE beat me standing up first, but I think it is quite easy to change a 25w to 100w.
CHAIRMAN: Are you asking a supplementary, Mr. Wu?
MR. WU: I am just stressing the point.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, wouldn't that 100w be more to the convenience of the Peeping Toms?
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, on a point of clarification, it seems to me as the Senior Appointed Member that you are showing partiality towards the Elected Members when asking supplementary questions. When two of my Colleagues stand up to do so you immediately stand on your dignity and cite a Standing Order. I strongly deplore this attitude on your part. (Laughter).
MOTIONS.
(1) Resumption of the following motion moved by Mr. B. A. BERNACCHI at the meeting of the Council held on 4th May, 1971:
"That Standing Orders be amended by re-inserting in Standing Order 4(2) the words 'if the intervening period is less than six days'."
MR. BERNACCHI: As a result of suggestions made to me by my Unofficial Colleagues I now move that my Motion be referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council.
MR. HU: I beg to second the Motion.
CHAIRMAN: It has been proposed, Ladies and gentlemen, that the terms of this Motion be referred to the Standing Committee. This has been proposed and seconded. Does any Member wish to speak?
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