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MR. BERNACCHI:-I rise to propose an amendment to the amendment. I still think it is best to pass the original Motion, but if any amendment is to be instituted, I would like to see this amendment.
CHAIRMAN:-Mr. BERNACCHI, pardon me for interrupting, I have consulted Standing Orders. Standing Order 10(15). If an amendment be rejected, other amendments may, subject to paragraph (16) of this Standing Order, be moved on the original Motion. Is it possible to move an amendment to an amendment Motion?
MR. BERNACCHI:---I would say, yes, and the amendment to the amendment would be put before the Council before the original amendment.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, may I suggest that what Mr. Lo and Mr. BLAKER have put forward is not an amending Motion, but a Motion to refer. It is a procedural Motion, so only in the case of an amendment to the text of the original Motion is it possible to move an amendment to the amendment. This is a procedural Motion, it has to be put to the meeting and after a vote has been taken then, if that vote is in the negative and Mr. BERNACCHI wishes to introduce an amendment to the main Motion, he is at liberty to do so.
CHAIRMAN: -Thank you, Sir, I believe that is my position also.
MR. BERNACCHI:-Pardon me, Sir, for one moment, while I look it up.
MR. SALES: ----Mr. Chairman, if Mr. BERNACCHI will not accept the opinion which I offered on the strength of our combined experience in this Council, I suggest that he looks at Standing Order 10(15), although this is not applicable to the Motion put forward by Mr. Lo and Mr. BLAKER. This is a straight amendment, whereas in the case of Mr. Lo and Mr. BLAKER, there is a Motion to refer, and that is all there is to it. I suggest that you rule accordingly.
MR. HU-I think I must reply to Mr. SALES because he said all along that we were proceeding wrongly. Judging from what Mr. SALES said, Mr. Kenneth Lo's Motion is not a motion itself, it is his way of objecting to the original Motion. It is not a procedure, because if his Motion is carried it will kill the original motion. It is not the Motion which adjourned this Motion to other debate or adjourned it to other meeting, so what he says really is only his way of chucking the original Motion. So that his Motion cannot be voted on in my view, the original Motion can be voted on.
CHAIRMAN: ---Mr. Hu, you are incorrect. There are a number of Motions which may be moved during debate and without notice. These are listed at Standing Order 10(17), and this is (). A member may move this Motion at any time and such a Motion has been moved and has been seconded.
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MR. BERNACCHI:-Then, Mr. Chairman, I move that the original question be now put under 10(17)(g).
CHAIRMAN:-I am sorry, Sir, but if you will refer to Standing Order 10(15), the last sentence, "A further amendment shall not be moved until the Council shall have disposed of the amendment previously moved". In other words, we must do one thing at a time.
MR. BERNACCHI:-But, Sir, Mr. SALES has already said that this is not an amendment.
MR. SALES: ---Mr. Chairman, I pointed out to Mr. BERNACCHI, and I would like to point out again, if I may with your permission, that Standing Order 10(17)(g) which Mr. BERNACCHI cites now, is acceptable to the Appointed Members because it does not apply to the original Motion, it applies to the Motion to refer, so I accept Mr. BERNACCHI'S 10(17)(g) and suggest that you apply it to Mr. Kenneth Lo's and Mr. BLAKER'S Motion.
MR. Lo:-Mr. Chairman, it seems that Mr. BERNACCHI's Motion "that the question be asked" can only apply to my Motion.
CHAIRMAN:-That is so, but before it is put Mr. Woo has a right of reply.
MR. Woo: The last Motion was referred to the Standing Committee because it was difficult to implement. Now in this Motion I understand it can be easily implemented by the Policy Select Committee. As I understand we all agree to this Motion in principle, why do we not have it approved here and instruct the Policy Select Committee to take the necessary steps and discuss it in detail? Without passing the Motion in Council, I do not see how I can accept this matter in the Policy Select Committee.
CHAIRMAN: ---Ladies and Gentlemen, the question before us is Mr. Kenneth Lo's Motion to refer the Motion, Item 4(2) on the Order Paper, to the Resettlement Policy Select Committee.
The question was put.
The Motion that the subject of debate be referred to the Resettlement Policy Select Committee was put and carried with 12 votes for, 7 against and 2 abstentions.
MR. BERNACCHI:-I must get this thought across to two other Members. I call for a recording under Standing Order 14(4), at the request of any one member supported by two other members the voting on any question shall be recorded in the minutes so as to show how each member present and voting gave his vote. My object in requesting this is that, from my own observation, all the Elected Members voted
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