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which he saw.
In regard to repatriation, he urged that every effort should be made to get the women and children away from Hong Kong and he maintained that
nditions in Siam were not as bad as they were in Hong Kong. The danger of leaving families was that the Japanese would use them as hostages or as a means of bringing pressure on the menfolk to co-operate with the "New Order".
There was little sickness amongst the interned residents at the time but there was a danger of malaria. The Japanese were taking no measures to prevent the spread of malaria.
It was well known that Colonel Ryde, who had been a professor at Hong Kong University, was now in Chungking and maintaining contact with Hong Kong.
Reference was also made to a man named Grover, who was stated to be an Australian and to have served in the Royal Navy before residing as a civilian in Hong Kong. Grover was an active co-operator with the Japanese and he gave information to the military and to the Gendarmes regarding wealthy people. He would then accompany looting parties, taking an active part (and presumably a share of the loot). He had been appointed to the Food Control Office as he had previously been a dairy farmer. There seemed to be no doubt that his co-operation with the Japanese was real and not a cloak to obtain information for the benefit of the British.
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