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[18th witness Yu Man-hoi.]
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1272. You could see the loom of the light? Yes.
(Witness left witness box).
1273. Mr. W'hyatt: I am afraid I am not in a position to put any further evidence
before the Commission this afternoon.
1274. Chairman: Is it possible for you to give us any indication how long we are
likely to be occupied in taking all the evidence?
1275. Mr. Whyatt: It is impossible to say how long it will take as
1276. Chairman : I appreciate the difficulty. It would not be possible to give us an
accurate estimate, but approximately?
1277. Mr.Whyatt: If we adjourn to Thursday morning 1 think I can say that we will
finish on Thursday, possibly before lunch,
1278. Chairman: Adjourned until 10.00 a.m. on Thursday morning.
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10 a.m., 21st October, 1937.
1279. Mr. Whyatt: Sir, you will remember that on the first day of the hearing Lam Chu in his evidence, in answer to my question as to what it was about their appearance which made him think the sailors on the submarine were Japanese, replied Because I could recognize them by their clothing-the outer garment had a sort of suspender leading from the shoulder to the trousers." It has occurred to me that perhaps that evidence might be clarified somewhat if Lam Chu might be recalled to demonstrate.
1280. Chairman: I am afraid that I was not able to glean much from it and I think it might help considerably if he might explain a little further what he meant. First Witness. Lam Chu (recalled).
1281. Lam Chu recalled (on former declaration).
1282. Mr. Whyatt: You told me in your evidence that you recognized these sailors on board the submarine as Japanese sailors because they wore a sort of suspender leading from the shoulder to the trousers? Yes, I said that.
1283. (Two straps produced-one white and one dark brown).
1284. Take one or both of these straps as you please and show us how they were wearing their straps. (Witness places one strap over his right shoulder and one over his left shoulder hanging straight down over his chest to waist).
1285. What colour were the straps?
1286. Chairman:
Like a pair of braces.
1287. Mr. Whyatt: Yes, that is right.
1288. Witness (holding up white strap): The colour of the straps on the sailors was
darker than this colour.
1289. Could you say whether anything was attached to the straps ? In the front I saw nothing attached to the straps at all; the ends of the straps were attached to the
trousers.
1290. What width were these straps? About the same width as this strap (1)′′).
(Witness left the witness box).
1291. Mr. Whyatt: Now, sir, I will call the compradore of the s.s. Kaying. 1292. Eighteenth Witness. Yu Man-hei, duly declared, states:— 1293. Mr. Whyati : pradore.
You are the compradore of the s.s. Kaying?
Assistant com-
1294. Were you on board the s.s. Kaying on 27th September when she was bound
from Shanghai to Hong Kong? Yes.
1295. Do you recollect anything unusual happening on that voyage? We met a fish-
ing junk-no, not a junk; we found two men afloat.
1296. About what time of the day was that? Between 6 and 7 p.m.
1297. That was on the 27th September? It was.
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[18th witness Yu Man-hoi.] [19th witness Thomas Gillson Mackay.]
1298 What did you do? I was then in my cabin. I noticed the steamer had stopped,
and the captain then sent for me and asked me to go up to the deck.
1299. What did you do when you got on deck? I saw in the distance two men on a
raft calling out "Save life".
1300. And was the ship manoeuvred, and eventually were these two men picked up from the raft and taken aboard the "Kaying"? They were picked up and put on board.
1301. And when they were put on board in whose charge were they placed? They
were left with me by the chief officer and I was told to take them below.
1302. What sort of condition were they in? They appeared to be much fatigued, and their hands and feet looked very white as if they had been in the water for a long time.
1303. What did you do for them? At first I wanted to give them some rice, but 1 was advised not to do so for the reason that, as they had been in the water for such a long time, it would not be wise to do that. I then gave them some, brandy, a glass each, and later I gave them some congee, and then clothing.
1304. Did you ascertain the names of these two men? Yes, their names are Ho Pak-
kung and Ho Pak-shing.
1305. And eventually they were put ashore in Hong Kong?
Yes.
1306. Do you know where they were sent to? They were put on board a sampan and were left in the hands of the boat people I don't know where they went eventually.
(Witness left the witness box).
1307. Mr. Whyatt: I think it would be convenient if I put in a few photographs of these guns we have been talking about, sir. Two of these junks escaped and I thought if we were going to have any photographs of the guns we might have photographs of the cannon on these junks. I asked the police photographer to have certain photographs taken.
1308. Nineteenth Witness. Thomas Gillison Mackay, Acting Police Sergeant A119,
duly sworn, states:-
1309. Mr. Whyatt: Sergeant Mackay, you are the police photographer? I am. 1310. In the Hong Kong police? Yes.
junks? Yes. 28 and 4470.
1311. Did you go yesterday to visit two 1312. Do you remember their numbers? 1313. Whereabouts were they lying? In Hang Hau Bay.
1214. And when you got there did you take certain photographs? I did. 1315. What was the first junk that you visited? No. 28. 1316. You know more about these photographs than I do.
Will you show us the photographs that you took of Junk No. 28? (Witness produces a photograph [marked T.G.M.1.]) This is a gun on the port side.
1317. Is that on Junk No. 28? Yes.
1318. How many copies did you make? There are six copies of each photograph. 1319. Did you take any more photographs on Junk 28? This was taken on the star-
board side of the same vessel—[T.G.M.2.]
1320. Did you take any more photographs on Junk 28? No, only these two.
1321. After taking these two photographs on Junk 28-what was the next photograph
you took?
I took one on 4470.
1322. What did you photograph on 4470? A gun which was lying on
[T.G.M.3.]
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1323. Chairman: Any trace of gun mountings? There are gun mountings but they
were in the hold and they were used as ballast, made fast to the side by wires.
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