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374. Did you notice anything about their physical features which you can tell us
about? I cannot say, I can only tell that they were men in uniform.
375. What sort of eye-sight have you got? My sight is not very good.
376. After you had seen this submarine sailing away in an easterly direction as you say and your junk sinking, what did you do? As the ship was sinking I held on to the mainsail.
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you done anything to the mainsail before this? I had tied the mainsail up
Had
in a bundle.
378. What was the object of tying the mainsail up in that way? So that the people
on board the junk could sit on the sail and hold on to it.
379. Is your mainsail made of matting fastened on to poles? Yes. 380. Could you remember how many of you got on this mainsail ?
to it.
23 persons got on
381. Did you have a sampan as well? I had one but that sampan was broken by the
firing.
382. Besides the mainsail you had two other sails? Yes.
383. What did you do with the two smaller sails? Several members of the crew hung
on to the smaller sails as the sails were being floated.
384. How many were there altogether aboard your junk before it sank? 385. Chairman: When you went to sea on the 19th? Yes.
Yes.
386. You told us that four of you were killed?
387. That leaves only 19? Yes, that is correct.
23 in all.
388. Mr. W'hyatt: And of these 19 some were on the mainsail and some on the two
smaller sails? That is correct.
389. About how many were on the big sail? The sail on which I was had nine in all. 390. Chairman: The mainsail? There was a smaller sail.
391. Mr. Whyatt: When did you get on to the smaller sail? On that same day. 392. Before you got on to the smaller sail where were you I held on to the smaller
sail all the time the two sails were floating together. 393. Chairman:
That is, the two smaller sails were together? Yes, that is so. 394. Mr. Whyatt: Can you remember who was on the smaller sail with you? My two sons, my daughter-in-law, my grandson, and four fokis-nine of us in all. 395. And the rest of the crew and people who had been on board your junk were
on the mainsail and other small sail? Yes.
396. After you had been drifting a while did you lose sight of the other two sails?
That is so, we were floating in different directions.
397. How long was it after your junk had sunk that you lost touch with the other two sails? After we had been floating together for about one day then we separated.
398. How long did you remain drifting about on your little sail? 5 days and 5
nights.
399. What happened to you then? Then I was saved by somebody on à small
craft-I was taken to the lighthouse.
400. What sort of craft? A small fishing boat.
401. What day was it when you were picked up? 27th September.
402. Chairman: Is that 5 days and 5 nights?
403. Mr. Whyatt: What time of the day were you picked up on the 27th?
after I p.m.
A little
404. Where did you say you were taken to? The lighthouse.
405. What is the name of it? Chelong lighthouse.
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[4th witness Li Mun.] [5th witness Ho Kau.]
406. After that where did you go? I then engaged a sampan and I came back to
Hong Kong.
407. What day did you arrive in Hong Kong? On what day I don't remember. 408. Do you know a man called Ho Pak-kung? Are you referring to a
man from
a steamer and who had saved my people ? 409. No. Before your junk sank did you have a man among your crew a foki named
Ho Pak-kung? Yes, something like Ho Pak-kung: I don't remember exactly. 410. And did you have a foki named Ho Pak-shing? Yes.
411. Did you know where these two men came from? They were employed as
sailors on board my junk-they came from Macao.
412. About the guns and cannon.
board? Yes, 5 cannon on board.
413. Whereabouts? Inside the hold.
Did your junk have any guns and cannon
on
414. Did you have anything besides cannon, did you have any guns or anything of that sort? 6 rifles-the type using powder and percussion caps to fire old models.
415. Did you or anyone on board your junks fire any of these weapons on that
morning? No.
416. Did you hear any guns fired by any of the junks that morning? No. 417. Chairman: There were nine of you on your sail-were you all picked up safely?
Yes, all nine on the same sail were saved.
418. Mr. Whyatt: Do you know of your own knowledge what happened to the other
ten on the mainsail and the third sail? Those people were all saved too.
419. There are two other things I want to ask you. Firstly during the time you saw this vessel which you describe as a submarine can you say whether she was flying any flag? I saw no flag.
420. Can you give us any sort of an idea how far you were from the nearest point on the Chinese coast when you were attacked? The nearest point was the Chelong lighthouse.
It would take a steamer three hours'
421. Do you know how far you were from that?
sailing to get to it.
422. You told us earlier that you could not see the lighthouse but you could see
the light at night? Yes,
423. Was it a light itself you could see or the loom of the light-that is the re-
flection of the light in the sky above the lighthouse? I actually saw the light.
(Witness left the witness box).
Fifth Witness. Ho Kau, duly declared, states :—
424. Your name is Ho Kau? I am Ho Kau.
425. And you are 29 years of age? I am.
426. What is your native place? I am a native of Macao.
427. What is your occupation? I am a fisherman.
428. In September of this year were you employed as a foki aboard the junk owned
by a man named Li Mun? Yes, sir.
429. You know the junk number? That I do not remember.
430. Do you remember leaving Shaukiwan aboard this junk to go fishing some time in
September? I do not remember so much about it.
431. Now you were working aboard this junk as a foki in September this year?
Yes, sir.
432. Do you remember your junk going fishing somewhere in the vicinity of Chelong
lighthouse? Yes, sir.
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