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(203) Can you tell us roughly how many sailors there were on this submarine at the time of the firing? More than ten-between ten and twenty.
(204) Chairman: You told us that there were ten to twenty on the bridge? Yes, in a square enclosure.
(205) Mr. Whyatt to Commissioners: I think he means the conning tower.
(206) Witness: I saw some five or six men working at the guns.
(207) Chairman: In addition? Yes, besides the five or six there were between ten and twenty in the square enclosure.
(208)) Mr. Whyatt: What sort of sailors were these? clearly.
I could not see very
(209) Did you see how they were dressed? Not even that, I could not see how they were dressed.
Fung Kam-shing.
(245) Mr. W'hyatt: When you first saw it, did you then recognise it as a submarine? When she was so far away I knew then that she was a submarine.
(246) How did you know that this craft was a submarine? I say that she was a submarine when I saw, her in the distance because she was pointed at both ends.
(247) Anything else that you can describe about her that made you think she was a submarine? In the middle of the craft there was a thing like a castle and a staff and there was a gun at each end.
(248) Later, you have told us, she fired at your junk? Yes.
(249) About how far away was she when she fired at your junk? She was then very close. I could see all the persons on board the ship.
(250) Would you describe to us the people whom you saw on board? The dress was this the top of the trousers was overlapping the shirt and there was a pocket and some straps forming the pointed end of the collar of the coat.
(251) Chairman: That is the first time we have heard of a coat? Not a coat, it was like a shirt, like the interpreter's shirt; if he takes off his coat he will show a kind of garment and the end of that garment would be enclosed in the top of the trousers. (252) Mr. Whyatt: Did you notice their physical appearance as far as their faces were concerned? I know they were human beings but I could not see their faces so clearly as to discern what nationality they were.
About ten.
(253) About how many were there? (254) Did you notice the colour of the submarine? Silvery grey in colour. (255) Apart from the colour in which the submarine was painted, did you notice anything else about the submarine? The middle of the side of this submarine had an English figure "7".
(256) Was there any other character besides this number "" on the submarine? That I did not notice, I only saw one figure "7",
Li Mun.
(336) Mr. Whyatt: Did you notice anything unusual whilst you were fishing that morning? Whilst fishing we noticed a submarine about 9 a.m. She sailed towards us. (337) Where were you when you noticed the submarine? We were somewhere off Chelong lighthouse.
(338) Where were you personally standing on your junk? I was at the stern when I saw this submarine.
(339) Why do you call it a submarine? Because she submerged to a very great extent under the water-that is why I call it a submarine.
(340) Chairman: You mean when you first saw her? Yes, when I first saw her she was much submerged.
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(341) Mr. Whyatt: Describe to me that part of the submarine which was not sub- merged. Only the castle or fortress (conning tower). I saw that castle, and when it was near enough to fire we were hit.
(342) The castle you mention, whereabouts was it was that in the front or in the stern? Amidships.
(343) Describe the rest of that vessel. You have described the castle being amid- ships. I could not see either the bow or the stern because they were submerged I only saw that little castle.
(344) How far was it when you saw that little castle amidships? As far as from here to Yaumati when I first saw it (about 1 miles).
(372) Did you notice anything about this submarine apart from what you have described as its colour and what you have called the castle? I saw some men standing on this castle.
(373) Tell me, could you describe what they looked like? They were in uniform. (374) Did you notice anything about their physical features which you can tell us about? I cannot say, I can only tell that they were men in uniform.'
Ho Kau.
(437) Mr. Whyatt: Will you just tell us what it was that happened? A steamer çame and fired at us.
(438) Will you describe what you call a steamer? What sort of steamer was it? A sort of a vessel rather flat. It was a submarine.
(439) Why do you say it was a submarine? Because I could see it. A submarine is rather flat.
(440) Was there anything else that was rather unusual about this craft? In appear- ance it was different to the ordinary ocean going steamer. It was flat and you could see very little things on board.
(441) Have you seen submarines before this occasion? Very rarely have I seen submarines.
(446) When she got as close as that did you notice any men on board her? between ten and twenty persons on board.
Yes,
(447) What sort of men were they? They were men, but I cannot tell what nationality they were. They were very short built kind of men.
you
(448) Could you distinguish anything with regard to their faces? their faces very clearly.
I could not see
Li Tai.
(522) Mr. Whyatt: Tell me, can you describe this vessel that opened fire? I did not see the hull of this vessel, I could only see a kind of a structure.
(523) Did you see any men aboard her? Yes.
(524) How many? The number I cannot say, I did not count them. (525) What sort of men were they? I do not know, they were not very big men, they were small men.
Lai Yau.
(571) Mr. Whyatt: What you called a submarine-why do you call it a sub- marine? I do not know the proper term for this kind of vessel-because she dives.
(589) Chairman: You were asked a few moments ago why you called this vessel a submarine and you said because it could dive. Did you see it diving that morning? Oh no, I did not see that vessel dive that morning.
(590) What did you see it doing that gave you the impression that it was a sub- marine? In appearance it looked like a submarine.
Yes.
(591) Have you seen submarines before?
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