Did anyone call to you as you were going out?--No.
Did I come out to the verandah and ask you if you had the silk?--No.
Did you take the silk away?--It was not at that time.
Did another lady tell you she would like samples of silk at that time?--No.
You did not leave any samples there?--No. Just think.--I did leave some silk, but not then.
Why were you asked to get the samples of silk?--Your wife told me to bring them as she wanted to make a dress for a daughter.
After the 11th when did you come again?--Next night when I gave you the answer.
What answer?--That that man would give you $1.
Are you sure it was not four days after the 11th that you came to my house?--No. I went either on the 12th or 13th March. It was on the 14th that you agreed to receive $1 a day.
Where did you see me on that day?--In the dining room.
What day was it?--I do not remember.
When was the first Monday you paid me money?--On the 20th or 31st March. The payments commenced from the 14th March.
Have you been to my house respecting cases?--Last year.
Do you remember coming to my house at the end of last month or beginning of this and asking me to arrest a man who had brought some girls from Canton?--Yes.
To whom did I refer you?--I told you Inspector Stanton knew all about it.
Did I tell you to apply to the Magistrate for a warrant?--Yes.
Do you remember what night that was?--28th June.
Did I direct you to the Captain Superintendent of Police?--No.
Did I tell you I would take you to him on the following morning?--No.
Did you come to the station next morning?--I was told to bring a woman to the station two days previous to the 28th June.
Do you remember the night Inspector Baker was suspended from duty?--I do not know.
Did you come to my house?--You sent a child for me, but I was not in the house. When I got home my wife told me that No. 12 Inspector had called, and I saw you the following morning. I went because I was sent for. You said to me, "Do you know that Mr. May has seized a lot of people's names?"
Did you ask me what was the matter with No. 10?--I did not, but in the course of the conversation you said that Inspector Baker was restless and frightened. I said, "Yes, because that house is in his section." Then you asked me, "Is my name there?" and I replied, "I do not know." You said, "Do the people know my name?"
I said, "They do not know your name, but they know you as No. 12."
Have you told that to the Captain Superintendent during the course of his investigations in the case?--No.
You went so far to tell Mr. May so much and this important thing you left out?--I was never asked about it.
Did you say anything about Inspector Stanton being transferred to Stanley?--No.
Did you say anything about No. 13 being banished to Shaukiwan?--No.
Mr. Francis--Who is 43?
Defendant.--Sergeant Holt. (To witness), Didn't you say, the matter was very serious?
Witness--Yes; you told me the matter was very important.
Did you ask me how you could see Inspector Stanton?--No.
Did I say, "What do you want to see Inspector Stanton for?"--No.
Was your answer, "The case belonging to the brothel in Hollywood Road is not over yet?"--No.
Did you say you had a share in that brothel and you would lose all your money?--No.
Did you go and see the Captain Superintendent of Police about the girls brought from Canton?--I did not.
When I questioned you did you say it was a friend and not you who was interested in the brothel?--I said it was a relative.
Have you seen me from that day until this morning?--I have not seen you from the day when you sent for me until this morning. The interview took place in the bedroom.
At this point the defendant noticed some men standing just outside the Court door and he asked whether any of the witnesses for the prosecution were there.
Acting Chief Inspector Mackie went outside and ordered a man who was a witness to be taken to the adjoining court. The Inspector explained to the Magistrate that the man had just been brought out of gaol by Inspector Komp.
His Worship said all witnesses must be kept out of hearing.
The defendant said the man had been there ten minutes.
Mr. Francis said that was not correct, as it was not ten minutes since the order was given for the man to be brought from the gaol.
The defendant replied that he had seen the man there since just before five minutes to four and it was now four o'clock.
In answer to further questions by the defendant, witness said it was the 27th June when he had the conversation respecting Inspector Stanton. It was about the 11th June when the child was sent for him.
Mr. Francis pointed out that Inspector Stanton was not suspended until the 13th June, so the conversation on the 27th June could have had no connection with the suspension.
Witness, in answer to further questions, repeated the conversation he said he had with defendant. He did not mention the suspensions and say it was a very bad job for Inspectors Baker and Stanton.
Defendant--Regarding the time it was agreed for the money to be taken at the rate of $1 per day, did anyone come with you on that day--the 11th March?
Witness--I went alone.
On any one occasion that you have been to my house have you had anyone with you?--On no occasion have I been with anybody.
Have you had anyone waiting outside the door for you on any occasion you have brought money to me or my wife?--No.
Have you ever had any money marked by any police officer and put into your possession to be handed to me?--No.
You are an old detective?--Yes.
That is the usual course adopted when it is desirous to catch a person accepting bribes?--Yes.
That has never been done?--I had no intention to trap you.
Your action does not appear like that at present. You admit yourself to be an informer in this case?--I am not an informer, I have spoken justly as far as I know.
What did this money consist of that you allege you have paid to me or my wife?--Tung Kum gave me the money in subsidiary coins which I changed into notes.
So you lost by it?--I did not lose because I changed the money at a friend's house.
But you can get $5.50 in subsidiary coins for a $5 note from any money changer in Hongkong?--It is not so much as that.
Can you get it in Canton?--I have never been there.
You say you were receiving nothing for your trouble and were doing it with a grateful heart?
Mr. Francis, interrupting, said the witness had not said he received nothing.
Defendant--How much did you receive as wages for collecting this $2, as you allege, for me?
Witness--I received nothing. Tung Kum gave me $1.80, because you told me to be kind enough to get the money for you, and it was my duty to get it, even if I was a loser.
What was the date you say he took Mr. May to a gambling house in Jervois Street?--I do not remember. That was a statement of yours.
Do you know as a fact that Mr. May did go there?--I do not know; you told me.
What benefit should I derive from telling you a yarn like that?--Well, you are a friend of mine and you told me.
Told you a pack of lies? Did I say anything about my going to the gambling house?--You told me you went to make arrests.
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