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Marquis Trany should be told that the Extradition

Many Arts 1570, do not apply to the China- that the Treaty of Tientsin does not prescribe the manner in which the question of the proof & guilt required by art. XXX ought to be dealt with. Mr. Gutch cannot admit that

There is warrant either for the Colonial Ordinance to exact conclusive evidence, especially the opinion of the magistrate, when further evidence is forthcoming after the magistrate has committed or discharged the person sought, as regards the nature of the proof & guilt intended by the treaty without implying that it might not be absolute proof.

I conceded that it does not mean absolute proof.

Low v. Tap 58, 57, where the judgment speaks, and that it may be used to support a prima facie extradition. I said that in the case in question the first authorities are not satisfied that there was presumptive proof of the guilt of the accused person.

If it is true that the Chinese authorities had no opportunity of rebutting the further evidence brought before the Examining Magistrate, I have a reasonable ground of complaint.

Now that point cannot be decided without seeing the evidence. They decline to furnish it, and it might be futile to press the matter further in reaching the root of the question. We decline to discharge the accused persons.

We might add that Section 3 of the Magistrate Ordinance, to which Marquis Trany refers Emperor, states that the Magistrate effectuating the warrant shall have reasonable cause for believing the person to have committed the offence to commit him to prison until the Judge shall receive some other order from the Governor relating to the discharge & the further detention.

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The Commissioner's opinion is that the Governor before deciding to discharge a prisoner committed by the magistrate, would naturally consult his Council, and that (as in Governor's Minute) is agreed.

Kept Jan 18.

D. Jan 18.

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Marquis Trany should be told that the Extradition Many Arts 1570, do not apply to the China- that the Treaty of Tientsin does not prescribe the manner in which the question of the proof & guilt required by art. XXX ought to be dealt with. Mr. Gutch cannot admit that There is warrant either for the Colonial Ordinance to exact conclusive evidence, especially the opinion of the magistrate, when further evidence is forthcoming after the magistrate has committed or discharged the person sought, as regards the nature of the proof & guilt intended by the treaty without implying that it might not be absolute proof. I conceded that it does not mean absolute proof. Low v. Tap 58, 57, where the judgment speaks, and that it may be used to support a prima facie extradition. I said that in the case in question the first authorities are not satisfied that there was presumptive proof of the guilt of the accused person. If it is true that the Chinese authorities had no opportunity of rebutting the further evidence brought before the Examining Magistrate, I have a reasonable ground of complaint. Now that point cannot be decided without seeing the evidence. They decline to furnish it, and it might be futile to press the matter further in reaching the root of the question. We decline to discharge the accused persons. We might add that Section 3 of the Magistrate Ordinance, to which Marquis Trany refers Emperor, states that the Magistrate effectuating the warrant shall have reasonable cause for believing the person to have committed the offence to commit him to prison until the Judge shall receive some other order from the Governor relating to the discharge & the further detention. 374 The Commissioner's opinion is that the Governor before deciding to discharge a prisoner committed by the magistrate, would naturally consult his Council, and that (as in Governor's Minute) is agreed. Kept Jan 18. D. Jan 18.
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Marquis Trany should be told that the Extradition

1873

Many

Arts 1570, do not apply to the China-

that the Treaty of Tientsin dous net prescribe the manner in wheel the question of the peod * & juilt required by art. XXX out that H. Mr. Gutt connect admit that

o the heat

رہا

is wh

There on farmed

X

either

the Cotmail Adinance to enext

conclusive expecially

the opinion of the magistrale

4-1

when further lindince is for theeming after the magistrate has committed

where extradition in

Dy

Discharged the person

sought-

as gard

the nature of the proof & quilt intender w the heaty without I "depporn that it magh

I conceded that it doves hit mean

nels abrilute proof

x du

AL

Low thap 58.57 where the judgeme

wuld be necessary speaks

and that it may June Jenne

to support a price Encrition

I said that in the case in question the first

aus m. (concil

are not sateised that there

"was presumption proof of the filt of the 11

accused pers.

fot

pportunit

[ If it is true that the Chemise authenties had no of rebatting the further eindran haught before the Eni Anant

I have a reasonthe ground of complaint.

витрар

ow that point without seeing They)

They decen

and it magh but to fap

rother in resching the site we the reavest o

in the frowned, décline

The accused pences.

Ew 5.1

X

Ingen bat at & we might add that Section 3 of the Mimani to

if there affian Which Manguis Tory refers Emporre. The Imagistrate effeccatifying

to him to be Installa Cause for believing the person & han committier the Offene to commit him to prison & instil the Jader shall reccior some other

Gister

from the Governo relation to the

discharge

the

& the farther

detentions,

374

- Kansmission pouch person" the Chinace Authirties; that Governor before dinding & discharge prisoner stund Committed by the magistrate,

Cammy

hate, Would Naturally

Consult his Council, and that de (as in Grevine Mint )

131011

I agree.

Keut Jan

D. Jan. 18.

JZ-

གེ - ::་ བ

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