Friday,
HONGKONG TELEGRAPH
September 19, 1941.
Ubrary
CHINESE TIMBER DEALERS IN LONG
EXAMINATION
FROM PAGE ONE
Do they also have their address at 33 Queen's Road Central?-They are in the same premises.
Have they anything to do with Pang Chile and Tam?--Nothing what
soever.
AT A.R.P.
INQUIRY
: Do you work "In the offico as | Building "Contractors and also two What did he tell you? He carria In Manager?--Not always.
Who is in charge of the office then? The man in charge of the office and who stays there most of the time is the accountant.
How partners.
Intimate Connection
is no connection at all with regard with him? an
What is the, connectiont~Indivi- fica
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answer to an advertisement which we had in the Chinese papers re- So there is a very intimate connecgarding the sale, of sleepora, lie tion between Pang Shick and Tam asked for the price.
Did you Would he receive the cheque from and the Tal Lee Lumber Co. There Marsman's if one were sent to the to capital or pronts. offfee? If there were any chéques mado
payable to Pang Shielt and duals. You are quite sure about that?—Tam, the persons who would receive Put it this way. There is a very Yes. At one time Tal Lee borrowed them would be Tamm Long-ring or intimate connection between four of some of our note-paper so that the ICwong. Ming-wong. They would the partners of Pang Shick and Tars heading of the paper used bore our not be handed over to the accountant. and the Tai Lee Lumber Company? firm's name.
1 Bank Account
--Ycs. Do you know who are the part-
You say that you formed the com- lins your firm got a banle account? pers of Tai Lee Lumber Co.7-am-Yes, with the Hongkong and Shong-pany at very short notice for the of buying raliway a partner.
hal Bank. You are? Then there is some con- nection on between Pang Shick and Tom and Tai Lee7-There is no connection strictly speaking between these two companies. I myself am
a partner and personally invest ed some money in Tai Lee,
also a
Names Partners · Who are the other partners?-I cannot tell.
How much money did you put into Tal Loc?-$2,000.
with your two so-called firms the Pang Shick and Tam and the Tai Leo--as well as the Kin Leo were the only people who sold sleepers to Maraman's 1 6on shly speak of my ogreement own affairs.
Mareman's had purchased roughly fixed the price and be accepted 20,000 sicepera between November, 1940.
and July, 1941-I' don't lmów And did
ho give you the order that. thore
and then to supply 7,000 With the exception of your firm, sleepers? Yes.
which purchased 80,000 sleepers He gave the order on behalf of from K, C. Leung, do you know any- Morsman's? It was not until after body else who sold sleepers except delivery had been taken that he dis. Laungi Jarding's had sleepers in closed the name of the purchaser,
stock for sale. Paid No Commission
Leave Jardine's out of it. Besides K. C. Leung and your What commission did you pay firm, do you know of any other Who was the brainy man who sug him?-Wo`paid him no commissalon. Chinese firms which sold sleepers at You mean to say that you did not that time?-Nal at the time when I
made the purchase. this huge order?—No. business firms to pay commission to November and December, 1940, you
The Only Firm Isn't it the focal Chinese custom of
So it is fair to assume that people who introduce business to
were
the only firm able to sell 'them?—I would pay commission to nobody.
the purchaser
sleepers because you purchased this no answer to our advertisement, but if
huge quanlity? Yes. he came to canvass then I would pay
purpose And therefore if any cheque were sleepers?—Yes. given you by Maraman's it would be
paid into the Hongkong and Shang-ested the formallon of this com- hat Bank? We have never received pany?-1 and Tam Long-ying start-pay him any commission at all for any cheque from Marsman's.
Have you received Miny cheques from Kin Lea?-No.
Do you know the Kwong Hip Shing arm?Never heard of it.
·
Do you know the Tai Lee Chan? No. They are both supposed And you don't know who the part-timber merchants.--1 have ners are?-1 am not sure of all. I heard of thein. know some of them.
They were
formed round Let's have those you do know about the same time as the Tai Lee Tam Longying is one.
Lumber Co.-I don't know, Where does he livel-Somewhere.And they were both fanned for the in Lockhart Rond.
purpose of purchasing railway sleep-
both
Who are the others"-Kwongers-I don't know. Ming-kwong, who lives in Kowloon, and Lau Lal-ping, who used to live
in Kowloon too. Thuso are alt. know. I don't know who the others
sire
Do you know when the Tai Lee firm was formed?--About December, 1940.
A few months after Fang Shick and Tam had been formed?-There was a long time between. Pang Shick and Tam was formed in 1939.
Let's call it a year afterwards.-A little over a year afterwards.
Why was it formed?—I don't know. They formed the company all of sudden
they wanted to buy
some wood,
because They formed this for the purpose of buying timber? For the purchase of a lot of consignment of wood.
ed it.
How did you come to think of the
idea?—Since railway sleepers were cheap at that time, I was thinking of buying it for use as fuel.
You say they were cheap al that time?--Yes.
that?-Novem-
What month was to be
never be. 1940.
You formed the company for the purpose of buying railway sleepers for making into firewood! Is that correct? Yes,
Wanted Partners
Do you know the National Finance Development Corporation?--I have never heard of it.
Don't Know
Do you know the Kin Wuh Co.?- No.
These two companies were formed some time ago-1 don't know.
And Marsman's purchased a lot of timber from the National Finance Development Corporation.-I don't know anything about it.
The sales were made through K. about nothing C. Yuen-I know them.
this Kin He is the manager of Wol Co.-I don't know.
Has Fang Shick and Tam sold timber to anybody at all?No.
Why did you form the Company then-We are building contractors
wasumber?-We would buy wood for You never had any dealings in
our own use but never sleepers.
Government Work
Purchase of Sleepers Would I be correct in saying it formed for the purpose of purchasing rallway sleepers?---Yes.
Would I also be correct in saying that most of your purchases were made from a man called K. C. Leung? I don't know. Since the
Have you undertaken any contracts for A.R.P. Work?-No.
Any Government contracts?—Yes.
commission.
came
from
The
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of hats.
In now shades of Gray and Fawn $23.50 Loss 10% cash discount.
Other Qualitios from $17.50
in
most of these 20,000 sleepers bought And is it also fair to assume that
Did you know when this man ap- property? No, because the sleepers by Morsmen's wore originally your proached you that he was
that we sold to Marsman's at $3.35 Marsman's? know that he was one
were of the best quality. We did not of the employees of Marsman's,
have enough to meet the demand of Did you know whether he
Was Muramane because not-all-of-the- dealing with you in his personal .00,000 What did you next do with regaTU | cannelty or on behalf of Marsman'a 0,000 were of the quality that they to the purchase of sleepers-At that when he first came?-I formed no time, Pang Shick and Tam had no avaliable capital to dent in this new opinion since he did not tell me about enterprise to I, on my own idea,
The nett result of that deal with wanted new partners to form a con-
Dit | Mersman's is that in a space of a pany to buy firewood.
tile over a month you sold 5,000) sleepers at $3.35 eich. Correct?-
Yos.
You have told us that. What we want to know is what next did you do with regard to the purchase of railway
purchased
Profit Of $7,000 sleepers? We these from
Leung Kwal-chung.
And there sleepers having cost you You approached him yourself? $1.00 each? Yes. Tam Long-ying approached him.
So you made a clear profit of $1.45 Was K. C. Leung at that time con-per. sleeper? Yes. A profil of over nected with the National Finance $7,000 in all.
Did you
"sell your sleepers to any Development Corporation?—Yes.
Was he also connected with the body else? I sold some to Kin Lee
to firewood dealers. Kin Wah Company? Thai I don't and
Did you sell 6,000 to Kin know.
were made
end
some
L.ce
our of March
round about March 29, 1941-No. What arrangements with K. C. Leung?-The terms were because by the that complete delivery of the wood business had came to an end. was to be taken within three months.
When was it
it that you sold 5,000 price arranged?$1.00 per sleeper.
How much per sleeper was the sleepers to Kin Lee? We did not sell in one lot. I cannot Lell off- That you may was in November, hand at what time the sleepers were
sold.
Whenever they required 1040? Yes.
Profit Of $2,000
at a time, they would come for
10
On November 10, tccording Mr Carman,, you sold Marsmon's
-Correct.
Eng to
Kwong Wing, of Kin
So
approved.
.
You had no more of the best quality in stock after the sala to small quantity but Marsman's bought Mursman's? We had, perhaps, a
from us only 7,000 in all.
$3.35 were of the best quality?—Yes. Those sleepers you sold to them at
They were much better than those you sold to Tal Lee Chan?-I think they might have been just as good because Tai Lge Chan also their own selections.
made
When did you dissolve your arm? At the end of March, 1941.
Business Closed Down How is it then that In August, 10:31, you purchased 8,000 sleepers from K. C. Leung for $32,0007-That has nothing to do with me at all.
But isn't this the Tai Leo firmı?— No, our Tal Lee firm closed down business completely in March and we made no further purchases after that.
Anyway, this Tal Lee firm had nothing to do with your Tal Lee?-- Nothing to do with us.
You had 00,000 sleepers and you
he paid your firm $3,434 on made, minimum proft of $1
of the sleepers did not go Work In connection with roads and 2,000 of these'sleepers at $2.00 each? December 17. 1040. Is that right? per sleeper, did you?-Our profit on
through my hands, I cannot say
Who is the Manager of Tol Lee? -Kwong Ming-kwong.
Where does he live? As
i have
said, he lives in Kowloon,
He is one of the partners?—Yes.
waterworks.
the Do you know anybody by taine of Kce?—No.
told Witness was then
by the Chairman to produce the books of Pang Shick and Tam showing the Is he any 'relation to you?-No. sales of materials during December. Let's get back to Pang Shick and 1040, and in particular full detalls
-You made a pront of Si per sleep-. cr7-Yes.
In a few days? Yes.
So It works out that your firm made a pront of $2,0007-Yes.
Did K. C. Leung tell you where
connet
remember. Witness was then shown a decu ment, the contents of which, he said, might be correct but he could remember clearly,
The Chairman: That
riot
was
trade
the whole lot aimounted to a over $4,000.
little
But on the three transactions alone, you made a profit of some $18,000. On the 2,000
000 that you sold to Mars man's you made a proût of $2,000; the next 5,000 you sold to them you
Tam. You told us just now that you of the sale of 5,000 sleepers to Mars he had bought the sleepers from? Jout in the letter-head of Pang Shick another profl of $7,250, and
did.
you
never bought wood?--Yes.
man's on December 24, 1940 at $3.35 He told me that he had bought them
from Jardine, Matheson. Do you still say that? We never per sleeper.
From Jardine's, representing the bought any
also
so want information from you Chinese Government? Yes. Denies Sales To Mariman's of the payment, in December, 1940, Did he way, what he had paid for Have you sold timber to Mars- to Pang. Shick and Tam of the sum them? No. man's?-Pang Shick and Tam never of 53,434 by Kin Lee.
He must have paid less than $1.907 Do know Kwong Wing of Kin.I don't know. Pang Shick and Tẩm ̈nover kold Lee Company No.
̈ ̈ ̈ ̈ ̈ Müs! Make A PröftTM timber to Marsman's?-Never.
You
But he is not going to sell to you -We have never sold wood to Mars- Kwong Wing gave evidence before at the same price at which he had Wat's the Tul Lee Lumber Company with Pang Shick and Tom and therefore he must have got them man's. Perhaps it can be explained. the Commission about his dealings purchased, is he?-Certainly he must
was formed, the fokis made use of Tai Lee Lumber Company-Yes. "our" letter-paper-which--bore--our
Why did Marsman's say you have? i to nor
пате.
But Marsmen's have produced vouchers bearing the name of Pang Shick and Tam for payment of thou- sands of dollars. Perhaps that is so.
I don't understand It.
Manager Pleads Ignorance
never seen him in your
Incorrect Statement And he told the Comunission, after a few questions put to him, that he greed with me that these two firms were one and the same company I say that he has no knowledge what soever about these firms.
ut-less-than--$1.00 per sleeper?-I cannot say. He must make a profit. Did you buy any more from him? purchased 80,000 sleepers in one consignment from K. C. Leung $1.00 per sleeper.
1.00 per sleeper you sold direct to His statement, then, is not correct?Maraman's at $2.00 per
But you ought to know, being theIt is not correct.
of Pang
Yes.
at
sleeper?-
To whom did you sell the other
and Tam?-Yes.
Uke
more
Prices Varied What was the price?-It varied from $3.35 to $3.40.
the on the 4,000 you sold to Kin Lee, you They paid you $3,434 for
Ля thei supply of 1,010 hardwood sleepers at made a pront of $8,700. 4 rate of $3.40 each.. Correct? Yes, right? Yes.
Did you sell Kin Lee any
Rotten Sleepers And that only represents but I cannot re- sleepers? Yes,
13,000 member the date. Wo sold, I think, out of the 80,009 sleepers that you altogther something
0,000 bought?--Yes, but not more than 20 sleepers-to-Kin-Leer
per cent. of the 80,000 were perfect sleepers. You must consider the rotten ones. About 50 per cent, of the sleepers were either inferior or
sleeper? Never, not even one cent
It never went above $3,107-Never. rotten, leaving only half which had You never sold them at $5.20 per to be divided into three classes—good,
better, best. above $3.40.
|--Let us say then, that 50-percent: So in all you sold 6,000 sleepers were
You still had 10,000 on rotten. to Kin Lee and 7,000 to Mataman's? which a minimum profit of $1 each -Yes.
could or had been made. I may tell To whom did you scli the re- you that the reason for these quen malader of your stock?-To firewood llons is because I am going to make dealers,
very pertinent suggestion to you. Did you sell any to other timber I suggest to you that you made a merchants?--I cannot remember. We profit of over $50,000 over these might have sold some to other tim sleepers and that the sole rehson that you closed up this business was scone the War Taxation Profits Do you know the Tal Lee Chan? to escape Yes, they have purchased from Tax Ordinance. Is that 507-That is not true. There is no ground for it. Your co-partner in this firm told us that he only got $300 back on the $2,000 which he put into the firm,~~~ Yes,
Manager and one of the partners of According to what you have told 78,000?-Subsequent to the 2,000 to her merchanta
Are you seriously telling the Com- Tal Lee? are also partners ofMaraman's, we sold a second lot of
this firm?-Since have not given us, four of the partners the receipts myself, I don't know. Slick and Tam
kept
by
I have never seen such entries.
Borrowed Bill Paper
sleepers to them.
What was that, 5,000?--Yes. Would that be on December 24, 10407-I cannot remember the date
I have it here?--Yes.
..
How much, 10,000?—I cannot re- member the quantify but we sold to them at a price of $1.40 per cuble
foot,
them that quantity?—I cannot.
Would it be in December, 19407 11, is more likely about that time.
mission that as Manager you don't
Do you still say they are not the know whether your firm has received same Brm?--Yes, thousands of dollars from Marsman's not the same.
say that they are for the sale of timber?-Perhaps, the I would not be correct in saying
Borrowed Notepaper transaction was put through by Tam these two firms were formed solely Long-ying, a colleague.
Marsman's have put the sale down for the purpose of ' cornering, the
How much per sleeper?-About Have you ever looked at the book market of sleepers and then selling in their books as having come from $3.50.
our Pang Shick and Tom? Yes. them to Morsman's and Kin Lee at Pang Shick and Tam-Since Would I be correct in saying that
formed, and how and then,
an enhanced price? That is not true. company. was newly
you sold them about 10,000 alto- Have you
you ever seen entries in these Nor am I correct in saying that formed so suddenly, we had no note-gether?—Yes. books about money received from these two firms were told in ad- paper ready so we borrowed some Do you remember when you sold Marsinan's for the sale of sleepers?-vance by someone in the A.R.P. of the paper with the heading of
Department to buy sleepers and re- Pank Shick and Tam. sell them
Government at a profit? to So you are denying specificallyThat is not so. that Pang Shicle and Tam had ever Pang Shick was then told to stand sold sleepers or timber to Mars- down, and Kwong Ming-kwong was man's? I say definitely that not a single piece of wood had ever been sold to Marsman's. Tal Lee merely borrowed the use of our bill paper," Were you a partner in Tai Lee? Yes.
Have you ever received any. divi- dends from the Tal Lee Lumber Co. —Yes, I received payment in full of everything.
Re-Sold To Marsman's Would you be surprised to hear.
A
How much did you get out of it?—")
little over $700.
Are you seriously suggesting to the Commission that through this sleeper deal you only made $700 as your share of the profit? Yes,
The Chairman then announced that the Inquiry would be resumed on Tuesday at 10.30 am, at the Pulsnc Judge's Court.
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Who signed the receipt for these 5,000 sleepers? Paing Shick and Tem or Tal Lee?—I cannot now remem- ber what name was used in giving
that that same firm YesOld the the receipt. called before the Commission.
I take it Tal Lee Lumber Com-sleepers to Marsman's in July, 1941, Railway Sleeper Dealer
pany had their own chops?-I cannot at $0.15 per sleeper?--I know nothing
Money and jewellery to the total The Chairman: What are you?remember whether we had a chop about that. At present I am doing nothing at all.
Are you not surprised to hear it? value of $1,200 have been reported Mrs Taumuri's trip was planned long prosecuted, said that on September 18 or noi.
stolen from Mrs Sawai, of No. 311 969 and was accelerated owing to her about 8.40 am. Defendant was sear- What were you in November, 19407 The formation was so sudden, you Yes, um surprised, -I was dealing in railway sleepers. probably never had a chop at all?--
Am I correct in saying that in Prince Edward Rond, first floor, be's illness at home and not due ched as he was leaving the ship and
to the political tension..
the articles were found in his pos- Lee Lumber Company.
Yes, but in what Arm?-The Tai Not for a time, but later, when I November and December, 1940, you tween mid-night and 6 a.m. yester
cannot say, a chop was made for the had 30,000 sleepers in stock and you dare report stated that entrance evacuees from Malaya will sull the bars belonged to him having been
It is expected that 800 Japanese session. Defendant said that the gol What were you in that firm?-Tai Lee Lumber Company, Atanager.
Chop On Receipts
window. The official evacuation ship Fuzo Maru, bought by his father, Were you a partner in the firm?---
per sleeper? Though we said some jewellery included diamond wrist which is expected at Singapore, on Pang Shick and Tom had their own of the cloopers to Kin Lee at $3.40, watch, gold ring, bangle and neck- September 21, months and at the end of that period How much money did you put into chop? Yes. all the money belonging to it was 117-35,000.
And I presume they would put that we might have sold to other dealers, laces. divided
And four of your partners up.
are chop on any receipts for money that say the Chicle Hing, at a higher
price. What profit did you make on your partners in Pang Shick and Tam. Is they receive?—Yes.
Why? Because there was a very $2,0007-A little over $300,
that right?--Yes.
Their chop appears on the receipt. Are you a partner in Pang Shick dated December 24, 1040, for 6,000 good market for firewood at that and Tam? Yes,
sleepers of $3.35 per sleeper. Yes. And theso, sleepers belonged to the Can you tell us how your company Tai Lee Lumber Company-That is they say that Pong Shick and Tam of Tai Lee came to be formed? Who so. *.
sald
them timber to the value | suggested it?—We formed the com- Do you remeniber that transaction?
Of what? Your $2,0007-Tal Lec was in existence for only three
Havo
Pang Shick and Tam ever sold wood or timber to Kin Lee and Co?--Never.
According to the books of Kin Lee,
Yes,
Formed At Short Notice
Who
of $3,434. We have never sold tim- pany for the time being at aborto received, the cheque in pay- ber to them. It may be that Tal Lee notice.
Has Pang Shick and Tam Comment?-I cannot say, but I myself did borrowed our bill paper as in the case of Maraman's.
pany got any other Chinese name? not receive the cheque, fa
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The that whole were prepared to sell stock at a price not exceeding $3.40 was
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Would Have Accepted My quétilon is a very simple ono.
at
You purchased 80,000 sleepers $1.00 in November. I am asking you November or December and offered if I or anybody had come to you in you $3.40. for each one of those slcapers, would you have accepted
Tal Lee borrowed the bill paper of They are known as the Tai Leo Kin Was the transaction entered in the my offer UT noff-Certainly I would. Chuk Kung Ching, or the Tal Lee book of the Tal Lee Lumber Com- I would even have sold them at less your firm? Yes.
Building Contraclors,
pany? Yes,
And then put your firm's chop on the bill?That may be so. Inquiries must be made from the fokis.
You'd better made these, inquiries
Yes,
thon $3.40. A
Is that the same as Tal Leo Lum- Will you produce the book which.. |ber Company? They are under shows this particular transaction? different hames."
I can't produce it now because when
Say at $2.907-Might be even
cheaper because it is always better
to
How do you mean, under differeht the company, was forined, everytime of the whole stock at one:
Chick Hing firm you men- tioned, is it the same us the Tal Leo
don't know. Chan?-1
you know the Kwong Hip
are all in the sune office,
because we want to know more about names? The Tal Lee Building: Con was done in a simple manner. teer Received Cheque tractors had contracts with, Govern
Is there such a book in existence?- ment to do Government work and Nong P Who would be the man to receive they lost all their money. When No Books Kept ----- a cheque from Marsman's if any, there was a chance to depi în rallway. 'made out in the name of Fang Shick sleepers; this company had no money You never kept booket-No, we Shing? No, and **Tam?--I
don't know, thin
to carry on. It was considered that only made notes In slips of paper, But you must know something dealing in railway alcopers would be Through which particular person in I
you this isso, Now about the business, being the man- prontable, so we invited partners to Moraman's was this timber deal putas telling arer1 myself never received any form: this business to deal ally in through between Tai Leo and Mars that you know, i would I be right to salwho would be the man to receive railway, alwepers. The firm for the man's Shum Chuk-you, genusume that they are ana and the
such a cheque —it may be," Tani | purchases of sleepers was formed by Did 30th-approach- or did -he same time, camot kay gumana
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