Wednesday,
HONGKONG TELEGRAPH
September 17, 1941.
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A.R.P.
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INQUIRY: EVIDENCE
no
|is ready. Spaces for them have been Continuing
evidence, Mred a reply from the Police Depart- Mr Davidson 'intervened and' zald provided.
Carman sold: You brought up the ment?--Yes. We received a reply, that the question should be ec- Other Siles
question of salaries amounting to under date of September 20, 1940, companied by the usual warning. Continuing, Mr. Common from Kin Lee and. Company for
said: $13,072.01. That was for the month advising us that they would permit The Chairman: I am talking to transportation work. Did you see Sites Nos. 6 and 7 at South Lane. ending July 31, 1941.
overloading to the extent of 50 per him da Managing Director. where money could be The total footage here is 3,200 and
Charging 10 Per Cent. cent, on the lower levels. The letter any safa
Mr Carman: I am afraid I have to kapi? There was a safe, but it be- they can accommodate 10,000 per- Referring to items bought and sold was signed by Mr Bidmend, for the decline to answer that question as it
sons and are longed to the principal tenants.
are complete
two to Kin Lee, Mr Carman aald: You then Acting Commissioner of Police. may tend to incriminate the firm. and asked the question t whether Did the principal tenants tell you shafts, mechanical ventilation
So that the Police Commissioner 10
The Chairman: You are not pre- as mentioned | per, cent. what rent these two companies paid some improvements
was charged on items gives you permission for breaking pared to answer 117-The question in them for this space?—No, Wey"dj♫ nbovo. Sites Nr. 1 and 13 love), bought and sold to them. When the land why we were breaking the Incriminate the firm.
the the law certainly don't under-self is such that it may tend to total footage of 2,500 and can ac- question
Kin of
Lee came Had he heard of the Wan Tungcommodate 0.000 persons complete we were requested to supply Jaw if the Polleo agreed to change Therefore you are not prepared to
tent load. with with shaft, mechanical ventilation them
equipment. Company? Yes.
answer it as Managing Director and The the weight above matter was brought to my attention as
The law. is there, overloading Is do not wish you to answer if you Did he tell you who came to the and some Improvements with the exception of
ancy and discussed and emergency office? He said that a woman went w
at don't want maintained that, on offence. The Commissioner
to. (There Was there two days ago.
lighting. However, it has been, ar While we purchased certain equip- Police at that time gave you permis-answer), Did ho If he saw any clerks ranged for all lamps which have ment in Hongkong and Manila we sion to commit a breach of that Subscription To Club there?—No, he did not.
been
Do you know whether Marsman's Did this principal tenant say whe-10 Purchased, Sites Nos, 33 and were entitled to 10 per cent. Sub-] low; you could not have
consist of a total footage of
op-sequent conversations between Mr without that permission? No.
bas ever made a subscription towards resulted
Inoculation it was only this woman who proximately 10,000 feet and can ac- Lavrov and Mr Campbell
the formation of an ARP. club?-- came? That was the only person he cornmodate 30,000 people complete our agreeing not to charge on the Mr Carmin Another question
Yes. mentioned who ever went there. with shafts, two exhaust fana and items delivered to Kin Lee. This you asked wax, could
Did you tell the principal tenant/improvements na enumerated above policy Chairman: Your purchases) culation of tunnel workers. We In- think the amount was $1,000,
What amount did they subscribe? ment Medical Officers carry out ino.. -We made a subscription and I what you had come about?-1 sald without emergency lighting. On all that I wished to search the pre- other siles, with the exception of from Kin Ler-did you charge 10 per 1010uld be Inoculated against-By cheque to Wing-Comdr Steele- Mr Campbell that our tunnel To whom did you send the money? Aberdeen, tunnelling has been com- cent?-3
Yen
workers Did he express surprise that this pleted and can necorpmodate two- Mr Carman-Your next question cholera. The P.W.D. took the matter Perkins was the head office of these two thirds of the total capacity for a was, what is the highest capital value up with the Medical
Do you know Wing-Comdr Steele- Arms7--No.
period of eight to elehteen hours and of Marsman's plant hired to Govern who stated that they could not as soon as mechanical ventilation is ment. The highest at any one time medical officers
the sites but they
How long?-I met him in the latter installed, the sites will be able to ac- was in January 1941, amounting to would be glad to inoculate our part of November, 1040. Mr W. F. Carman, Managing commodate their full capacity for 24 $27,200. The lowest was in May. workmen at various Government Have you seen him often? hovo Director of
Morsman Hongkong hours.
$15,050,
Inoculation centres in the Colony seen the Wing-Commander on occa China Ltd, was the next witness. He
Length Of Use
ther
mises.
say
Mr Carman's Evidence
$0
to
was pursued throughout.
The
.
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aome li
not Govern-
Depend Perkins?--I do.
ovidence except for certain items on how many could accommodate people i pi on the arrangement for hires was impossible for many of the signs at tins at Hongkong Hotel, not
harl previously completed his You also asked a question
Monroe calculators
P.W.D.
With
in the
emergency, we
w
take
The
asked
Was
an
Policier Insurance pol
men
Choirman: Insinuation of what? Mr Tinson: Of saying one other. person was there and then not want- ing to know the names of the others. the names, but you then sold you Chairman: I said. I did not want
Anything to do with Marsman's?ackidut does not cover amby combinstructing Company was their
Mr Carman. The question asked This
of men objected to the inoculation. more than three or four times at the from Hongkong Mines to Secondly, it would take them away most. which he promised to let the Com-for 24 hours. This is a very rigid P.WD-was this made verbully or from their work and hinder
the Inve you ever asked him to mission have the information.
requirement. At the start of the jobs in writing? On October-2 we sub progress of driving. It was also dinner?-Once. The Chairman: Mr Carmen, you it was never anticipated how large miltted to the P.W.D., through Mrhupossible for us to round up all the When wed that?--After I had sold that you would get further in-was the number of people the tunnels Campbell a list of equipment that workmen and take them to theheard he was to be transferred to formation about the questions which can shelter. Originally, the scheine we had acquired through hiring and various centres. Therefore, I took India. had previously asked: Perhaps was more or less on the Chungking purchasing for the job. This
Was Mimi Lau there?-Yes, sho was the matter up with Mr Pearce and. It shorten proceedings if you idea where people could take refuge officially sent to Mr Pearce
Deen
under told him that I was very much con was. told us what have brought and for two to three hours at a time." cover of our letter of October 4. This corned over the cholera
Who else were there? The oc- * you
epidemie. It The Chairman: Who gave give us your explanation.
the in-mem
memorandum covered the hire of was reported that one of our work casion arose through my asking the Mr Carman: The question about formation that it сап accommodate equipment from Hongkong Mines as men lind died and the Medical De-Wing-Commander If I could enter- Monroc calculating machine from two-thirds capucity for eight to well as certain equipment that we partment might close down certain tain him before he left for India, the Office Appliance Co. At the start eighteen hours? It was calculated had purchased on a 50 per cent sections of the tunnels. After dis- and he sold that he was very busy of the job, there were only two by our engineers who bad studied the amortisation basis for the job, ond cussions between the Medical De- but 8mally agreed to join us. Mr
omec. problem. The ventilation of the or the equipment we purchased we partment and myself it was agreed Carman was fond of Chinese food Later, it became necessary to have a tunnels is a comparatively simple were prepared to take back at 50 that they would supply the vaccine and did not like to go to regular calculator for checking up tunnelling Pr
problem.
per cent. of Its value if the job did if we would employ our own doctors, restaurants and so we went to the damage which we classified be part o of The statement was made by your not continue pust the experimental Mr Pearce was told of this and he Cafe de Chine in Caine Road.
own engineers? The data the tunnelling operations. It was
were stage.
gave authority to have the
As Mr Corman was beginning to token up and approved of by the checked with A.R.P. data supplied to
Hongkong Mines Inoculated. They were subsequently mention the names of the other Li3. The matter has been studied so
as they received This arrangement was confirmed by inoculated
their people, the Chairman Interrupted to reference
and that it is not only the statement of to Leigh
say
that the Commissioners were not Orange. I said that they were called our engineers, but has been agreed|P.WD.'s letter to us dated November pay Chairman: The Medical De asking for them. Mr Tinson, how- in by us on behalf of the P. W. D. upon by P.W.D. engineers and our the rate of hire as submitted by the partinent could not send officers to ever, wanted to learn the names, and 1, 1940. As Mr Campbell fell that which is incorrect.. The fact of the selves.
were mentioned by Mr situation was that Leigh and Orange Did the P.W.D. engineeers agree Hongkong Mines was high, the mat- the sites to inoculate the workmen three notified the P. W. D. of the damage with your statement that they can
ter was referred to Mr Pearce who and that is why you had to employ Carman, viz: Mr and Mrs Lloyd and
Mr Thomson. done to a godown of their clients and accommodate people from eight to subsequently took up the matter with outside doctors to do it? Yes.
Mr Carman: Another
Mr Tinson Protests. under the date of October 23, the cluhteen hours? I cannot say.
question me. As the Hongkong Mines were Practical Test
whether giving us equipment that was per- P.W.D. addressed a letter to Loigh
Itein' of Mr Tinson: I would like to say International and Orange accepting responsibility
Assurance you asked as to whether Wing- No practical test was made, was would not reduce the rental, and it Company, was for the whole year. Commander
manent plant in their mines, they $3,270,53,
Steele Perkins for the damage done by blasting there? Shortly after the job storted
Was Insurance premium is figured on a there, which can only mean an in- operations and approving the sum of in October, we ran a test to deter was agreed that the prices as re- $40 for repairs. It also stated that mine how long coolies could stay in quested by them be accepted varies from time to time. The sum person was also there, and then you by number of men employed and that sinuation if you asked if one other the tunnelling work was now 30 lined tunnels. The reason for the Government. In January, the mat feet from the surface no further dam-test was that the original plan was ter again came up for review but as of $3,270.63 represents the amount did not ask for the names of the
of Insurance paid, during the six other people. age was anticipated. The letter al-to make U-shaped tunnela with I had not been successful In arrang months from December, 1940, to so asked Leigh and Orange to submit cross-culs so that you would have any reduction of their
ing their account to Marsman's and was through ventilation, similar to mine Egested that Mr per charges May, 1941.
the signed by C. W, E. Bishop.
ventilation but in running this, time matter up directly with the Hongkong The Chairman; Why WDB
Mr Carman: I was asked to pro- necessary to submit the account to mine how much tunnel could be in an understanding whereby they duce any credit in regard to neeldent
it was affected and in order to deter Mines, which he did. This resulted your firm? Leigh and Orange were used in case of an dealing directly with the FWD.7-ran these blind tests. They were reducert the rental to 35.450. the and hospital chargé which the Gov-would want them, and you are having
for Arrangement being confirmed by ernment has been credited with, in-them. All costs on the tunnelling job were those sections of tunnels that had no writing. We therefore had nothing clear up any misunderstanding, question which is in regard to the P.W.D. and the Hongkong Mints including ten per cent. charged... To Mr Carman: There is one last pald by us.
been completed so that at each site, writi It was charged through you and 10 tunnels can be used in the event of] to
with
this arrangement,
will say the policy is a group of works order and the reason for Mr per cent, charged on 17-Yos. an emergency.
Chairman Who are the Hongkong surance policies
(1) | Questions Answered
your engineers said Mines? Mr Carman They are You said that
Campbell's selecting this contract. death, (2) loss of Imtbs or eyes, (3) The reason why he selected Ling Mr Carman: You asked for. ad for eight to eigheen hours. Ing mine properties in the New Ter- of twelve months aš from date of the a that two-thirds of capacity could be mining concern in Hongkong operat temporary disability up to a period complete list of timber merchants s
prices were cheaper than with whom we had dealings and the am referring to that particular ritories.
and hospital bills which are
those of
of the
other man. question came up and the word tunnel. practical test has taken
and on which we the Kin-Les Company to the loban "previously was used. In giving my place there?---Not in that particular Nothing whatsoever,
Chan Kwong-wal an employee of receive ten per c
-was-the- next- tunnel. We have not made a com- instructions to the engineers, I caked
Ila Bubaldiary?~-~~-~No.
The
wliness. He was questioned at length: ast
plete test on any tunnel aside from of the timber merchants
Concrete Blocks
Your policy docs regarding his connection with the is Chair
the disbursement with whom we had dealings with the drat teat.
The statement you made then is a next question asked was, when did statement for February 15, the last city of a clerk Jooking after
Continuing, Mr Carman sald: The not cover to as well as during the tun- theoretical one? Yes.
firm, which he sald was in the capa- portion Item is a credit note for $230.57, being of the bo That list was incorrect. job.
we start the tunnel at Belcher
books. Ventilation The Chairman: There were two
said he also pald Street. We started in October, 1940, compensation for accidents, that off workmen of the Kin Lee on pay timber merchants? The Wing Tar Mr Corman: The next question is, but the scheme, was extended mate-men, which, was deducted from that day, but adhilited he kept no record
sheet and which shows Chung, of 30 Connaught Road Cen-how many altes have ventilation rially from time to time. tral, and the Wong Tong Rec, of 2 shafts. All except sites Nos. 8 and The Chairman:
that we did not receive ten per cent. of payments made. Wai Chingowlood. Since 16 which will be ventilated by thefoxMeSt—-Yog
It is still being commission on the money refunded her of workmen whom he paid was
tween 130-140 the tunnelling started, you dealt duct system. We have
by the insurance company. with these two-arms previously-men-gites and 13-shafts, and long thor 13 was, Carman: The next question Compensation: Widow Inquiry-then-adjourned to 3.90 p.m. when Mr. Blako promised to be used lastead of
Mr. Carmon: You also asked why bring two other employees of the regarding concrete blocks. On our ony par Continuing Carman
I paid compensation to the widow of Kin Lee Firm who were connected said: The part, various inemoranda were ex- next question was, how many venti- changed between Mr de Broekert um Fong. That is a custom of all with the payment of workmen wages.
by machinery; and Mr Campbell, This covered companies in-flongkong to pay come and in the keeping of the firm's books.
preliminary work during experi-pensation to the next-of-kin of work- had
mental periods and finalised in our man who dies whilst in their employ.
ng and this appears in February 10, we received a quotation house people on a basis of 24 hours. March 12 to
which he
Fong replied on
our. dia- from the Kwan Hip Shing offering us
time there is a tunnel March 14 agreeing in principle to our ending April 30. Authorisation for bursement sheets for the half-month us At the
for
suggestions
that we instruct $3.00 from their godown at Sham mately 130,000 people on a 24-hour Products to proceed with the manu-Executive Engineer of the
approxi
Concrete
crete this payment was received from the shulpo. On February 11, we pur basis. When the mechanical venti facture of these arches and to the
PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad,--So chased 5,000 hardwood sleepers from fation has been installed in all the terms outlined by Mr de Brockert on works, in a memorandum dated May
many American soldiers are stationed them at $3.00 but we finally only sites this amount can be brought up the question of transportation. Sub-
on this British Taland, so took delivery of 3,500 sleepers, reto approximately 200,000 people. sequently
Difficult. Work this matter of transporta-
American ships are anchored in the Jecting 1,500.
The Chairman: On whose outho- tion Was
Mr Carman: You further asked harbour, and so many American discussed between Mr
held Verbal Agreement rity did you make that statement? Campbell and ourselves and it was what technical reason
up Inbourers are working on the new
Another question was
Mr Carman: Some by our own agreed that our original figure of 20 the Wyndham Street tunnel. The United States base. that Trinidad to- who paid the passages for the Filipino shift engineers,
cents would stand. The
day, looks almost more American than production construction of an Improved type of day. boses. Due to the necessity of hay-
of arches was commenced by Mr the storm water-drain
shaft entrance and the leakage of British. and de ing sknled bosses on the job as at]
ilvered and the bill The Chairman: Before you leave Campbell, the rates being similarly under the street at that point was a in the trade for 50 destroyers that time no Chinese were trained that, when you used the word
In fact, many restaurants, movies in this work, it was verbally agreed "completed", are you in a position mentioned in my former testimony. very dimcult
piece of engineering with the P.W.D.
and involved considerable discussion and shops have changed their signs to say how many
Overloading The Chairman?
between the Departments before it to include the word "American" in Which particular were completed, absolutely
Relating to the question of over-could be installed,
the firm name. loading of trucks, Mr Corman said: There is
is a cancellation of a First we were a Spanish colony. From the
er for $1,024.50 wh very start of the job, we voucher for
which you say then French, then Brilish," a native ber 20, the matter was placed before since, the inquiry started? The were hampered by the slow removal was charged for tunnels. I was ark shopkeeper sald."Now maybe we're him and was approved of by him.
word
"completed" is rather ambi-of muck from the tunnels. Mr de ed whether this was paid twich and on the It was verbally
Mr with
guous. It depends entirely
up the matter with Campbell then? The reinorandum the decision
agreed to by Mr Campbell.
There is nothing in writing?—He specifications and the manufacture of Po approved of the memorandum. (This equipment. was produced- and horn "Q,K.” and “ The Chairman: So far as you and the initials, "J.G.C.");
Sale Shift Bosses
19
tioned and eight others?
You yourself don't
Yes.
ticulars of these firms-No
tion whether the Kwan
Mr. Carman: You asked a ques-lation fans are
shafts.
altogether
Hip Shing that has beened above.
The largest num-
made an
an offer to
to us, or whether Mr Carman: You asked how we made an offer to them, On many tunnels are completed that can memorandum to Mr Campbell dated We paid $100 to the widow of Mr Trinidad Takes
5,000 pieces of hardwood sleepers at with Desertion
Plans Continually Changed.
of these tunnels
person in the P.WD.7-In o memo-ed, before the Inquiry
randum to Mr Campbell on Naventor, how, many have been W
Broekert took
Water-
that was
On U. S. Air.
many
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of the Medical De- (Mr Campbell who in turn discuss whether I was refunded. This item coloh" to becoming an American was submitted to him and verbally partment and the A.R.P. who are fit with the P.WD, and resulted in statement do and was credited dad, and it is bringing them pro-
continually changing the plans and their rock us to write to the lock to the P.W.D. in disbursement | perity of boom-town variety."
Police
Twice
Department on
on Sep tember 23, 1040.
The letter read by Mr Carıçan was
Marsman's are concerned, they have with the FWD. A have been drill an
follows: "On an nerangement twice
been completed?--Yes.
you
The Beer with the Quality Flavor
HIT OF THE YEAR
sheet dated March 0 to 31..
They are learning American slang The Chairman You wero pald and even how to crack American
rm charged to and
"ten ten per cent, Jokes each? presume Mr Carman: Another question that they had been completed for Colony. The
You are not. In a position to any ing tunnels in several places in the And when you
[TC-stadited. one pay- you anked 'was whether there was the total accommodation for which be removed to Governmeserial will nient back to, Government,' did you
The excavated material "any written authority from Mr they are meant,
ent quarries credit them back with ten per cent. Reclamation nt that
hat you previously charged?--Yes, Pearce, Mr Bishop and Mr Campbell on the Medical and. A fut depended at North Point, to house the Filipino shift-bossea iuments? The original scheme was for nedly Town. You will
A..P. require North Point n
pt and reclamation at Keri Mr Carmon: You wanted to low the Kowloon Hotel. There was ng tunnel in which people could hide that this tunnel work proceeds as 33.20, was for. That was for travel- will understand what an Item saying V.G. Evans, written authority. This was agreed out. The improvements hayo in-fast as possible and the disposal of fing expenses for Mr Evans, who was to by Mr Campbell and a bill ap-creased to a number of people they broken earth and rock, presents a proving this was signed and paid for could hold so that it was very difficult difficult problem particularly as the March 25 to April 30.
supervisor, and was for the period by Government.
Another question you usked wAS
cost has to be kept low. It will help de Value of Plant- Let us crystalliso by saying that to speed up work and decrease cost whether we some tunnels entire a hide-outs they are complated it you will
Mr. Corman: You also wanted to lorries engaged by us for tration to, bo landet know the value of plant purchased to their full
In August. We have not full detalls capacity which is, as So far as A.R.P. tunnel 1 concern rule, higher than the load licenced but it is believed the nature is $13,000.
for, and we shall be obliged if you
on the
I completed and to detail them. Yes. gites Nos, 2, 0, Arsenal Struct and Electric and can house 17,500
Power Station, are completed
persona. "They
All Tunnels Usable
2. This concluded Mr Carman's evide
"nré,completed la with two shaft, fed, there is no doubt that inanan sive is the necessary permitte encourag
znóchanical ventilation and ments, namely,
mergency
emergency. all these tunnels: would to say-Each," lorry and you a question.
be used?-Hide-outs and fitonels, are two different things, but they can be above work carries
tes by the Boardi. En
Ciney go can compare with ARP Kurnelsid
KAMERE PEou would not suggest any of
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