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RIDEN MAIN DEBATE
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the work of the water department with must necessarily be exceed Ingly heavy for sometime to come would remain infinitely more dif ficult as it would be impossible to organize it.
Compromise.
Chinese Unofficial Member. The
For instance the whole of the quotations dealing with the pos- sibility of preventing waste through the rider main systom turned on the supply of a master meter to each nection. Such master meters novor Inaccurate Figures.
were in fact installed and it is very doubtful whether they could have With regard to the monthly re-
The Government therefore re- ports issued by the Water Authori-been installed with success.
it cannot accept the ties of the total water consumption the feelings of the residents in any amendment proposed by the Senior
It is only necessary to consider Krets that in Hongkong and in Kowloon and
one section who were all cut off of the quantity of water consumed because there had been waste by Government however readily ac per head per day, I find that the some one or other of them, the only cepts that part of the amendment consumption per head per day is
by the Senior Unofficial calculated on an estimated popula-course that would have been open moved
had waste been proved.
Member which deals with the pay- tion much lower than that given by
munt by the Government
of the the Consus. According to Par-
Not a Bargain.
cost of installing meters and of agraph, 20 of Sessional Paper No.
Further again it is wrong I sub-connecting them in all rider main 4 of 1932, the population of the Colony, excluding the New Terri- mit, to consider the institution of districts.
We must be guarded against the tories, is estimated at 750,846, the rider main system as a bargain while the population estimated for in the way that the Senior Chinese view that this payment is anything the purposes of calculating the Unofficial" member interprets it. in the nature of a right conceded water consumption per head per It was a compromise and an ex-t the Government is anxious that' day la on the average. 681,377.
periment, and it was a bargain in the important change now contem I made this out from the water that the Chinese community paid plated should be made with the consumption reports issued by the for the original rider main system least possible friction. If this Water Anthorities from January when the Government was not pre-payment would tend to reduce such up to August 1932, that is, for 3pared to pay for the installation, by friction the
Government is pre- months. It means a difference ofway of trying out its value, but pared to go to this Council in due about 69,509 persons in the populathere was not and could not be a course and to ask for a vote for the tion estimated by the Census and bargain in the sense that the terms necessary funds. that estimated by the Water Authorities and it makes a great difference in the computation of consumption of water per head per day.
Under-Estimated.
I mention this because by looking at the water consumption report one may be led to think that a good deal of water has been wasted. But as a matter of fact the high rate of consumption per head per day was due to an under-estimate of the population.
were unalterable.
A fairer view and I submit the
Amendment Accepted. correct view in that the experiment
The amendment moved by the chasers have received at least fulln elaboration of the Government's has been tried out and the pur Senior Unofficial Member is largely
value for the whole of their (x-
own resolution as cxplained in the penditure. We must not again for- get that the abolition of the rider speech introducing it at the lust | meeting and as such can be readily mains has been necessitated largely by the pressure of the Chi-Government should pay for the new accepted. The addition of that nese themselves for the installation connexions, being also accepted, the of metera.
very
Since the date in 1903 to which whole amendment may well stand Dr. Kotewall refers the decision to original resolution if the Council so in the place of the Government's
desires.
grant meters freely to all BIN
I trust therefore that the Gov-plicants has been the primary ernment will see its way of conced- cause of the existing condition of ing this request of the Chinese things, which inevitably leads to a Community by agreeing to this complete abolition of the system ..mendment.
Ja whole.
Hon. Mr. Chau's Support,
Rubbing It Im.".
Hon. Mr. T. N. Chau: As the I have already in moving the re- motion now before Council is one solution apologised for the action which I think principally aftets of the Government in overlooking the interests of the Chinese com-Sir Cecil Clementi's promise
DIVISION TAKEN.
Chinese Members' Motion Defeated.
the-
MR. KOTEWALL'S VIEWS.
The Ofeer Administering the overnment: The amendment be munity, or 1 should perhaps say the allow an opportunity for a full tore the House is the amendment interests of the poorer classes of discussion in Council before the proposed by the Senior Unofleini the community. I feel I would be rider main system was abolished. Chinese Member-That 'in failing in my duty if I did not Dr. Kotewall is at pains to impress opinion of this Council, the time venture to signify my entire agrce- its offence upon the Government has come for the Colony to decide moni with the amendment in but it can be confidently stated that upon the abandonment at the ex- troduced by the Hon. Dr. Kotewail. Str Cecil Clementi himself would piration of two years from this My senior Chinese colleague Ims, have had no hesitation in agreeing late, of the principle of the rider- to my mind, made out a very strong that the abolition of the system as main system, substituting therefore case on behalf of our constituents, a whole was already necessary pro- the principle of compulsory meter- and as he and the Hon. Dr. Taovided he was in possession of the age to all house supplies to which have dealt so very fully with all the information which we have to-day, he alternative shall be a free sup- aspects of this difliculi problem. I That information was not avail-ply from street fountains." do not think there is much that Iable m 1929, and in fact conditions The Officer Administering the can usefully add.
which altered the whole aspect of Government called for a vote but the case had their origin no earlier Mr. Kotewall demanded a division. Wrong Comparisum,
than this year. Sir Cecil also The division was taken and re- However, in support of my senior stated that it would be impossible to sulted in the defeat of the motion Details of the colleague's contention, in refuta-discard the system until there was hy 12 to three. tion of the allegation made by the full supply of water on the Is-voting are:-
Nons: The Officer Administer Hon. Colonial Secretary that the land or the Mainland. There again
I doubt whether we are justifled in ing the Government, the Attorney daily consumption of water on the island is about 30% pinning him to a literal interpreta- General, The Colonial Secretary, too the Colonial Treasurer, the General higher than that on the mainland, tion of his words. If taken I would like to point out also that literally it might mean waiting in Officer Commanding. The Secretary the Hon. Colonial Secretary when definitely for the experience of for Chinese Affairs, the Director of making the comparison, had omitted Hongkong has shown that growth Public Works, the Inspector General of population usually outstrips any for Police, the Director of Medical increase in the water supply.
and Sanitary Services, Sir Henry Pollock, Mr. W. E. L. Shenton, Mr. J. P. Braga, Mr. W. H. Rell.
average
to take into consideration the im- portant fact that the whole pentr district uses the water supply for flushing purposes, and I am in- elined to think that the amount of consumption in that direction must be somewhat considerable.
Confusion Or
Ayes: Mr. R. H. Kotewall, Mr. S. W. Tao, Mr. T. N. Chaq,
The Officer Administering the
The full supply contemplated is now much nearer and may be re- garded as a certainty in a few That the rider main system will years' time. We have the choice Government: The motion now be have to go one day, I think we are between continuing and perhaps fore the Connell is that proposed all of one mind; what we differ on making even more confused the by the Senior Unofficial Member. is only the question of time for its rather confused state of things as any member anything to say? abandonment, and in view of the which now exists and beginning to convincing arguments advanced by right it only after Shing Mun is
Concessions Wanted. my two senior Chinese colleagues, complete or else of deliberately
Mr. Kotewall: With Your 'Ex- all of which I strongly endorse, I continuing a reasonable system
bmit that the two years' exten-which has already had its founda-cellency's permission, I should like sion asked for is not at all unrea- tions laid and having it completed to say, that the Chinese members sonable, and which 1 hapo will be by the time that Shing Mun can of this Council have been requested give us more water. The Governy those directly concerned to ask for certain con- With these few remarks, Sir. Iment has no hesitation in choosing the Government beg to support the Hon. Dr. Kote-
The latter course and in believing cessions in the event of their re- the retention of the wall's amendment.
that it is in the best interests of quest for
conceded to.
Concessinna re
~
GOVERNMENT STAND.
Tribute to Mr. Kotewall's Research Work.
AGAINST AMENDMENT.
The Colonial Secretary: The provisional acceptance by the Chi- nose Members of the principle of the abolition of the rider main system might well make it unneces- sary for me to make any further reference to the arguments brought forward by the Hon. Dr. Kotewall
for the retention of the system. satisfactory method of comparison. (6) Installation of one meter ok It would be necessary only to deal1 must however accept the views of each floor on every tenement house. with the possivility of postponiza Que water authorities whose gonero); (7) Government to compel land- action for the abolition of the experience convinces them firmly lords to instal meters within what system for two years, but I would that the system is wasteful of are now the rider-main districts. not like to pass over the earlier water. parts of the speech without a tribute the extreme care, and Inborious research which has bocra revealed and further to the labour of collecting and of representing ad fully the views of all section of the Chinese community.
the community rich and poor alike. rider-mnin system not being grunt-
In passing, it may well occasioned. These surprise that a system which is marised ns follows:-
(1) Cancellation of the 24% subject ng Dr. Kotewall admits to
included in the severe restrictions for long periods water rate now at a time should be preferred to the 17% Assessed Taxes. proposed system which provides a
(2) Lower rent for meters. much more equitable distribution
(B) Reduced charges for excess throughout the Colony and at the consumption. same time may confidently be ex- (4) Computation of the water pected when completed to reduce allowance on the basis of 25 cents. the necessity for restriction at all. instead of 40 cents per unit of
Further discussion on the waste-1,000 gallons.
fulness of the rider main system is (G) Persons who have direct I fear unprofitable for in the control over the use of water to be absence of the meters of which I required to pay for excess con-
ave already spoken there is no sumption.
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(8) Government to bear the cost of installing and connecting metors in the case of all unmetered houses in the rider-main districts, the meters themselves being paid for by the people in the form of rent [as at present.
It is gratifying to learn that the Unofficial Members aro the fler all prepared to necept principle of the resolution and It only remains to discuss the two
Reasons Given. years delay for which they apply.
Wo have given those several In the view of the Government It would be unwise to accept this aug-mutters our careful consideration, and have also discussed them with gestion.
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