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THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH. FRIDAY,
SWEEPSTAKE LAW DEBATE.
OCTOBER 17, 1930.
obtain. The abuses are being the subscribers, I cannot see how dealt with elsewhere much on a system requiring members ΟΣ the lines that it is proposed to subscribers of the club conducting adopt in dealing with them here, the sweepstakes to sign their names: that is to say, by restricting as far to numbers on liats would minimise OPPOSITION OVER-RULED BY as possible the participants in disputes; on the contrary, such a system would seeni more easily to GOVERNMENT,
lend itself to troubles, unless there be no transfer of title in the chance, which, human nature being what it) is, no latv can ensure.
SYSTEM ABUSED.
club sweeps to club members by the abolition of tickets generally,
Exception Made,
race in connexion with which the
An exception is made in the case
Certain public institutions which of sale of tickets on the course to In spite of opposition, expressed persons attending a race meeting have been conducting sweepstakes by Chinese members of the Legis-because it is felt that such per- have put forward the argument, as 3 reason for the retention of the lative Council and by the Hon. Mr, sons, though not necessarily men. ticket system, that a large portion J. P. Braga, the Bill to amend thebers of the club organising the of the proceeds of the sale of the Gambling Ordinance of 1891, by sweep is held, are at any rate lend-tickets has in the past been devoted, to charity. We must confess that which the sale of sweepstake ing it their support by their pre- this reasoning has little weight tickets is prohibited except on the sence and are accorded its privileges with us.
It appears to us that the Race Course, was passed at a by admission to its enclosures. whole point is whether the system meeting of the Legislative Council It is felt that this limited sale of of tickets is wrong or not. If it is, tickets will not be open to the it should be abolished altogether held yesterday afternoon.
The Attorney General-Sir, abuses which have shown them without any exception; otherwise an unrestricted the Government would, with the aid I rise to move the Second Read-selves where ing of a Bill to
has been of law, perpetuate what is, in its amend the though illegal sale
wrong. If, on the other Gambling Ordinance, 1891. That tolerated. As to the illegality of view, Ordinance has happily proved what has been done in the past, hand, it is not wrong, then it would should point out that under the be difficult for the Government to sufficient to prevent the organiza-principal Ordinance every person justify the differentiation. The tion in the Colony of lotteries who buys a lottery ticket is liable best Chinese opinion which we have generally; but in so far as its
to a fine of twenty-five dollars and consulted considers that provisions 'prohibited sweep- stakes on horse and pony races it every person who sells one or has should be allowed, subject to control one in his possession with a view by the Police in regard to the per- appears to have been in advance to sale, is liable to a fine of forty centage of commission to be charg of public opinion with the result that it has been generally ignored. times that amount. I move thated, the maximum amount of a
the Bill be read'a second time.
sweepstake to be allowed, and hawk- ing of tickets.
As long as such sweepstakes were small affairs voluntarily restrict- ed to groups of members of clubs they afforded amusement to the participants and though illegal by statute they did not. lend them- selves to grave abuse. The growth of these sweepstakes, carrying with it the unrestricted sale of tickets, has led to abuses
ed.
The Colonial Secretary second-
CHINESE PROTESTS.
Hon. Mr. Kotewall Voices the Opposition.
In recent years rendering action Hon. Mr. Kotewall said:-
I
tickets
In the circumstance.my Chinese colleagues and I suggest that see- tion 18 (1) (b) be deleted, and that i some additional words be inserted to make it clear that the Inspector- General of Police has the power fsubject to appeal to the Governor-i in-Council) to fix a limit to the amount of a sweepstake so as to prevent it from assuming undesir
impose conditions designed for the purpose of preventing abuses in the sale of tickets. I will, accord- ingly, when the Bill is in Com- mittee, move the deletion
amendment.
and
of some kind necessary. Some of Sir, The decision of the Govern-ahle proportions, and generally to the promoters of these sweepment to give legal sanction to club stakes appear to have forgotten sweepstakes conducted on horse and the existence of the Gambling pony races, but at the same time to Ordinance, others have thought subject such sanction to certain apparently that police permission limitations, is a decision which has over-rode the provisions of the Law. On more than one occasion individual members of a society have approached the palice for permission to break the law on the plea that part of the receipts would be devoted to charity. In one case social institution applied to the police for permis- sion to run a sweep in order to raise money for the upkeep of its premises on the plea that sub- scriptions from members were not sufficient to meet expenses.
be
met with the approval of n very large majority of the people. Hon. Mr. Tso's Speech. There is, however, one sub-section
Hon. Mr. Tso said:-Sir, in the Bill now before this Council,., which has given rise to much con- beg to support the sugges- of my Chinese colleague cern in the minds of many. It is tien section 18 (1) b) which says that The Hon. Dr. Kotewall for the dele- "except in the case of pari-mutuel tion of Section 18 (1) (b) in the or cash-sweep tickets sold by the Bill before the Council; and in lieu On the thereor, the insertion of a clause club organising the race premises of the race course during empowering the Inspector General the meeting at which the race takes of Police (subject to appeal to the place to persons attending such Governor-in-Council) to fix a limit meeting, no tickets shall be sold." to the amount of a sweepstake and Numerous representations have to impose conditions for the pur- been made to my Large Sums at Stake.
Honourable pose of preventing abuses in the Chinese colleagues and myself by sale of tickets. I quite agree, and I The total at stake and potential social and sporting clubs which have believe it is the general opinion prizes in many of these sweeps have for years been running sweepstakes among the Chinese that of the two Krown to hundreds of thousands in connexion with the annual systems of carrying out a sweep- of dollars. This result has only Races, pointing out that the pro- stake, namely, the issuing of tickets been attained by advertising and posed sub-section would in effect or the signing by members or sub- the development and organization prevent them from conducting a scribers of the club of their námes of the sale of tickets which have successful sweepstake at all. It has to numbers on list, the latter system been found a public market ex also been pointed out that the sub- would involve more trouble and easily to tending far beyond the limits of section gives undue advantage to even lend itself more the Colony. This systematic sale the Jockey Club, which has so far abuses. Since sweepstakes are to has been fostered by the employ been the only club that has organis-be sanctioned by law, the method by
It is ad- which the sweepstake is to ment of shops and brokers for the ed horse and pony races. sale of such tickets on commission.mitted by those directly concerned carried out is immaterial, provided In February, 1930, the Police that some preferential treatment is safeguards such as those mentioned found on sale in one place of due to that club, as it has to spend by my hon, colleague be inserted in the Bili. For these reasons I general business tickets for large sums of money in organising sweepstakes organised by three the races and in the upkeep of the peg to support the suggestion of de- separate Institutions. A
few race-course; but on the other handleting Sec. 18 (1) (b) in the Bill, doors away they found à notice our attention has been drawn to the and of adding a sub-section to pro- displayed to public view fact that this Club already enjoys vide the safeguards mentioned. LN- the advantage of being allowed by nouncing that tickets for another the Police to charge a commission
Mr. Braga's Support. sweepstakes could be obtained. of 20% on the tickets sold, against
Hon. Mr. Braga sald:-Your Ex- There have been cases within the the 10% permitted to the other cellency, I have pleasure in sup- knowledge of most of us where clubs, and that, in addition, it is the porting the speech of the honour- tickets have been bought up in only organisation that conducts the able Chinese members on the sug- blocks by enterprising salesmen pari-mutuel and cash-sweepstakes gested amendment of the Bill In and offered at a premium when no at the Extra Race Meetings. The doing so, I have a few remarks to as to further tickets could be obtained membership of the Jockey Club be- address to the Council so from the organizers; or where ing necessarily limited, any special make my position clear as regards Club, to the ordinary sale of a ticket has advantage accorded to it by law the Hongkong Jockey led to rival claims of ownership would be enjoyed by only a compara which reference was made by my and charges of trickery when that tively small number of people who honourable Chinese friends. My ticket won; or again where a club happen to be members of the Club, reference will be made later, has netled an
It may be stated that my Chinese As regards race-sweeps, it is a through the fact that no one has colleagues and I are members. matter of common knowledge that come forward as owner of
in the Colony, as elsewhere, for al the
number of years the privilege had ticket hearing the winning fum-
The honourable and learned At-
been granted to a limited number ber, lending to suggestions and
of recognised clubs and associa- innuendoes with regard to the torney General, when introducing drawing of the numbers. It will the Bill at the last meeting of this tions of standing, of running cash be seen that it is in connexion with Council, stated that there had been sweeps in connexion with pony the growth of the amounts involv many instances in this Colony and racing in Hongkong, under well- elsewhere of rival claimants to a defined restrictions and limitations ed and in the sale of tickets rather winning ticket, and that there had very properly and adequately im than with other features of the been one case at least in which posed by the Police Department. sweeps that abuses have arisen. there had been no claimant to the As far as I am aware, there has These abuses, I need hardly add. winning ticket, so that the club never been any flagrant case of a are not of local character but got the benefit of both its percent-breach of this special privilege. have shewn themselves in other tage and the money which shouldThis happy state of things is ex- places where such sweepstakes otherwise have been distributed to (Continued on Page 11.)
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