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HONGKONG TELEGRAPH““ WEDNESDAY: NOVEMBER 21, 192. fared savoro Joszes on their capital, Point that he had offered to under-, Statiation were given showing the take the whole work and to put up committing himself to precise de charges at present give returns thing and I think we
As to comparative costs, without, represent an enormous sum. The more important; we have no such any new area developed at North wastage and expense of exessive $10,000,000 for the purpose. He tails, he could ear (Continued from page 10.)
handing of flour. The morsČ
that, in en values at the time when the ask our Consulting Engineers whe of business would be a very grad-
ought to Paint, To more was assured the Goverment that he Mr. Anderson's opinion. Capt. wharves and godowis that coolie hin, lighter birr, godown could attract the four and rice and Davison's scheme would cost attructed, which is a very different tered wharves in place of open means of transport because the
were con- ther it is possible to design abel-ual process and there must facilities for ocean vessels
www tie and the method of working, general trade of West Paint to the least as much as the Hunghom thing. nerdod, as Kowloon, but ophiso was were not mally eeroomical, divergent
now aron; that if the Chinese had scheme. At Fungom it
Jones. We have got the money: is consumer was at West Point al the moonssity for
Three Areas.
these facilities they would be pre-known that solid bottom existed Port Trust or anything of that question?
Mr. Fletcher: Would you advise it not worth while putting the thought the bulk of the cargo might starting as extensive scheme much,
Taking that as a basis, the Gov-pared to more. the Hunghom one at the present ernment had examined the possibih-be only mentioned this for the probably a great deal deeper, and that the work is expensive, bat. if Engineers in the course of
Mr. Fletcher said thirty-six feet down; West of kind? I think we ought not to
be at North Point. What had the Kowloon Point solid bottom
Mr. Anderson: The question had Government in view for linking up was be deterred by the consideration really been put to the Consulting these two very busy centres ? ties of the Port. They were prseti formation of the meeting: the cally three: West Paint North Government had no
if that was so, of course the ex-the Government is to do it, it willversation With regard to ferries, it was Pint and Hunghom Bay. The Gow handing over the
intention of
Read Communication. pense would be enormously in have to have an adequate return opinion was asked on the question soon as Government could get the
in whole work increased. generally accepted that previsionerament
the office. Their Mr. Fletcher replied that hond be made for vehicular trafic Fitzmaurice to come out to Hong
Sir Haurice this way.
and, if the Government undertake ganerally having regard to the fact military lands-and As Costly as Hanghom and for much larger ferries theo tong and the preliminary discus length from the report of Mr. S. H. the Consulting Engineera
Mr. Fletcher also quoted at
a Fort Trust, it will have to give that in a typhot with a wind ve- valger was on the way from Home Mr. Fletcher added that some compensation
expert were at present running: also that sons be agreed-and the GoverEllis, whom be
to present locity of 130 miles per hour, a 100 foot road would be made. there were much to be said for maki ment rather pressed the print-that engineer of great repate, in whom of similar ones for long arms pro- Mr. Fletcher said it was proposed sq. ft. The Engineers said it was Road was gradually being wide-
described as
were owners. an aware not of this proposal-dotį
wind pressure was developed on from the City Hall, direct to North As to the North Point scheme; the sides of ships of 60 lbs per Point. In the meantime, Queen's ing a lanting for such vehiiniar the main effort should be to base the Covernment had every conjecting into the Harbour, but they to develop this area entirely for impossible to trafi. At Kowloon Point instead of, the gedowns and harves on of in addition to, the Government railway, because, if China had peace kong on bakalf of Mesurs
thefidence Mr. Ellis came to Hons rejected them as impossible, tak-zargo handling and godowns and structing wharves which would much hope westward, as the dis contemplate cored. He could not hold out very proposals a: Jordan Brad The trand developed commercially, the Geld & Swire and they eat theas the proper place for deep-sea whole frontage, to a considerable
Battering the view that Hungbom Bay not to permit residential use. The protect ships against such winds, triet was so of jetties provided for ferries should railway would be an immensely inhvernment his services, at the barv. mais hberal allowance for the porteat factor in the handling of Gurement's request. Mr.
Mr. Edkins: What about depth, it was proposed to reserve, Tamar?
the motor transport developed, com- Futur
Minor objections to Capt. Davi-Jabsolutely for Port use.
Imurication would improve. Fick- most valuable and interesting
600's suggestion were that unde!
Mr. Anderson suggested in reply shas would read "Thero bas sikoag opmiva that the Si: Maurice Fitzmaurice advised port was entirely an
Mr. Edkins said that the meet- 'that the Tamar was in an excep- off the streets, and the Govern sirable eddies might be created, ling was very much indebted to Mr. tionally well-sheltered position.
be driven Governancat should not attempt to the Hungbom Ray schezze adopting, Joan.
independent
and that it would be difficult to Fletcher for antlining so fully the Mr. Weal: Is it within undertake the administration of at all intents and purposes.
'ment contemplated taking the wharf bacness, and that they should Duncan's scheme which had bern Ellis to advies upon the Hunghom the surrounding densely populated thing possible to help the Govern
The Government also asked Mr.account of wage euent from the Chamber desired to do every-sheltered sea docks?
keep the enclosed area clear on Government ideas
the chairs off the streets altogether in He was sure, bounds of possibility to devise the City district between Queen's code thesebes to the construc-jalready worked out Sir Maurice Pay scheme, and the discussion with district. These were miner
Road and the sea. kavý a tam quay walls and or pier suggested certain altemtions in the Mr. Ellis on
Wet Dock Most Desirable. this branch of the jactions-the Government had not difficult problems, the solution of been brought forward by Capt. the Harbour froot.
ob-ment to the best solution of these Mr. Edkins: This idea having 100 foot road would be taken along Mr. Sutherland asked if the A new question which might arise, Į positions of the piem, and so na. subject was quite separate from the gone into the proposal is but want had aut yet been before The idea of making provision in desire of Messrs. the Slang puke subel,mmittee, was West Poin: was abandoned for two Swire be extension at Holt's Wharf objections were overwhelming the present. He entirely agreed penditure of several million ster would be mire suitable between
Butterfield & detail-but he suggested that the on the future-even more than on great pity to embark on at
anywhich would have so much bearing Davison, I think would be
a Mr. Fletcher replied in the nega- that at a wyphoon refuge at Shauki-masons, the main one being that the Is this connection "Mr. Flereber compared with the Hunghot Bay with Mr. Fletcher, subject to the ling without asking the Engineers the godowns and the wharves, and extive, adding that a narrow road decant of the growth of district was already very monzested qacted from Mr. Ellie's the suppene and population in that Han thng difficulties would only be slated 1149
report scheme.
qualification that a good many of their opinion as to the possibility was desired not to congest them in which Mr. Elli
The Government distance increased if the attempt we made submitted plans for an addition to make a beginning. if possible, with Point scheme applied to the future for deep sea vesels.
wanted to the points in favour of the Northjof constructing a sheltered dock by from Laneway Bay and Mengkokļba provide further wharfage facili the Hunghom scheme of two deep the Hunghom Bay scheme in or rather than to the
admitting through traffe. The during the recentes in a district in which traffic was draft berths uljacent
Holder that if cargo came down in disenssing these questions at the approval of this suggestion by which would be a
The godown owners would have The Committee indicated their rights across the Harbour road, typhoon Apart !-th› very already heavy. The area would be Wharf. This report, Mr. Fletcher large quantities from Chica-the Shipping Sub-Committee, there was loud applause. arked them, and apparently at ja jumble of gende wagens, tranusxall, the faemment regarded as
Port would be in a position to a very strong spizios in favour of
thoroughfare way- would be when wind reaching fand utler traße, and it must be re of great value
[for transk of cargo and not bandle it in connection with the developing West Point before any dock would be most desirable if it area $00 feet wide between the Mr. Fletcher agreed that a public road. At North Point, az Best man farge este from an eaxter. Hentered that it
railway. Iv dastion
other areas: also that it was de-could be buil Talerna Coming now to the question of tration, the intention was
As to the question of adminisisirable to set a limit to the ex-
100 fost read and | thee were miller to remove cobwn the ace subility
The chairman suggested that would be reserved for shipping
the constructing texiness frons that part of the town,wharves in the winien propied wharvas, in order to preserve uni-Harbour proposals was fully real-typhoon of August 18:h did not
that perse. That a Kreas the Gwernment should build the money was involved in the various were driven alonside piers in the for residential purposes. ne for seprovement of the MDS Fating is up to other purposely at Hunghow Bay, Mr. Fletcher'
Sum of the two Japanese steamers which business premises, and not used secu nenukwater poet it from fr take the risk of further bongst proceeded to discuss the sugges- formity. but there Was 20ised by the Shipping Commitee.
The Chairman: In view sustain much damage. jie in thereby wing up the valations put forward by Capt. Davi.tention
A Good Idea.
deferring the question of Harbour Mr. Fletcher thought that the development until Mr. Duncan ted the allation of rings f land martmous and making
on and Capt. Robinson for a deep (ruening
With regard to the dance business imprcticable in a This proposal, he remarked, was Butterfield and Swire might come said in its favour-personally he the
North reason for that was that the ves- comes back, is the feeling water dock west of Kowlon Point possible, for example, that Messrs, that, although there was much to be quite late in the typhoon also defer the consideration of other 1: was quite int scheme. it was considered sels did not come alongside until, the meeting that we should also far as practicable, the Leavier moet nat of the, en vroege ZXJ-OPU
not entirely new, though in its pre-! vesela n'en required by big larinsured him that the ent of develop bridge across the Harbour, also
Governmen ito an arrangement to build ander thought a great deal, especially in Wharf) was specially strengthen- The meating agreed [into thoroughly, but Mr.
(Statue questions relating to the Harbour? Government supervision. It must favour of getting quay be according to Government spe- built-there was not on
walls jed. The Ginyo Maru was prac- course being taken, Mr. Fletcher to this đoa, hyuỉ để the present tour and the los the West Pont d'estrict
with with godowns
urgent tically not abmgside, so that one stipulating that work would pro- erat plan. The Goverment would 20 years, so important a business Engineers tification in order to ensure that need Spit und
for that frostage. it was built according to the gen- doubted it, within the next 10 Anderson bore hire out that the, Point.
He could not argue from that. Mr. reed on the reclamation at North built under supervisions, but it was be mated because quay walls and docks for large vessels in typhoon landing was rather bound up with ither build or have the wharves quarter as West Point was likely to expressed
: proposed by the Government to godowns were developed at North weather, but there was no possible l'apl undertake a wharf and
Pavison's scheme. Speaking geterally, he reason, if the suggestion was fea-
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whien there were grouter objec.!
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business. If two firms cared to felt that, if funds were available,sible, why the Engineers should any case the Government have gune bail than the the ernment concurred 10 posamsion and develop
divide the wharf between Capt. Davison's
them, it was a good thing to proceed not be further preased on the sub- Jexceedingly carefully into it. ment would not be hampered in way
Fetcher suggested
there would be no reason why with the building of deep sea quay ject. Ans ft med abong 18 Har
that Capt. Davison had looked at rangement would have to be under much impressed with the
they should not. Any such ar walls. However, he
Tranean has worked very hard on it, hour front had already been broti
Referring further to difficulties and the Government are convinced the problem rather from his own they decided up in and the wadint of view as the master of which he imagined the Chamber Robinson--not so much with the tioned that, if the thing wis
pro-in connection with development at of administration posals made by Capte. Davison and West Point, Mr. Fletcher pdowns of the the
ship, and--for the definite purpose of Commerce could help in devis-proposals themselves but with the be done properly. of providing shelter-the suggesting tion was undoubtedly admirable.
would In this emaveta Mr. Etcher From a commercial point of view,! ir formgang the
Ideas. The recent typhoon" had recessary to remove the tramway; In quod from a Minute by the Direc ftowever, Ma. Fletcher saw objec-considered the question of charges he past, Harbour Schemes had An estimate was obtained by the more or less gives up to gedowns
brought home the importance of from the Harbour Trost and Asked if the Government had protection for large vessels. In provide free access to godowns and that district many possibly be tor of Publar Works, dated Rastons to the scheme. le in 54. the Line Strike otr catly urging the development of angle of the Camber would bring Government would lease them t
First, the for the wharves, and whether the been limited by financial Pg whie bed aboa tihest rated the North
Pont Reports were also the whole of the wash of the sea the highest bidder, Mr. Fletcher considering the expenditure
consi-Government for driving a aber in the near future. derations, but now the Colony was length of read at Western Market »hetained us to the possible effect of fint, the entrance of the Mongkok-said his personal opinion was that mocey running into several mint, and Des Voeux Road West,projected 100 foot fowls in
In this connection. Mr. Fletcher money of cheap un-killed labour, the works there upon tides, and ex tul Harbour Refuge, destroying it would be better to give the lion sterling for Hunzham
of in order to join Des Voeux Road exhibited plats of completed and It was essential, in the view of the Pert opinions were River hit
its usefulness Gackor shouldercial dificulties would be set up farent current would be yet up and, On that the Government relied on sufficient consideration had not the land. If the scheme actually lazer: access to the whole of Kow.
completely.
Shipping
Bay, and it was estimated that it would vicinity of Jordan Road. Companies facilities. and he thought it possible tha.cost $1,500,000 merely to resume point, he considered, gave most gave up as far as it would as deper in the Harbour carents by such as would be able to beat the advice of the Chamber of Com-bees given to the question of more went forward, it would pebably In addition, if the Star Ferry dence on that kind of labour and works. bate peame to uptodate mechani Mr. T. L Perkins *der: "Time")
Mr. G. T. Edkins: Might I suz-how the facilities could best be sele, perhaps because in the past. mus, costs were to be piled up in traffic the Government would be merce. 1. was for them to advise definite protection for large vereist a much greater sam. If emor-Co decided to provide for vehicular. tal misana vich no se remployed in'
stemment is practically commit
Igest that Captains Davison New York Then, wom
and used: the Government Par led to develop the North Point
Robinson have ΠΟΙ committed want merely to sell to sperula ficulty in finding the money. It to make ary Harbour scheme pro-arranged such a scheme with Mr.
did not it had been a question of dif- this way, it would be impossible matters were in very much the same Fireshows, and filing from the
themselves to this being there.
only too glad position as in Houck oz poday, with 199 foot mad is almaly being de
scheme: it is merely an idea,
He had in fact might be helped and, nit izvolve fitable. piera jutting mat at
angle, sited on the westem end thereof
tentative ona.
The Hon. Mr. Lang: Do the GoT-too much delay, if the question Mr. Sutherland thought that if
Juha-tone, but the Company did not New York had now reorganised its
or that purpose; and 1 venture so
Difficulties.
ernment want an adequate return could be put to Sir Maurice Fitz the Government continued on the capital? port and had
Mr. Fletcher added that he did
with on with it introduced large sent that in the future possession not think the Government could se-
maurice that open wharves did not the Kennedy Town scheme the re- Mr. Fletcher: Undoubtedly.
The Central Point. transit glow as on modern whares, such a magnificent stretch of cure the Naval Camber unless they
seem to be the only thing for quirements of the West Point dis-
Mr. W. S. Brown submitted that Mr. Lang: Basing it on 6 and 7 Hongkong Harbour. Viter enquiry into every feasible deep water frontage with wharfage spent a fortune in putting it some
If funds triet would be met.
the central point of die traffic st system, it seemed to the liver-longside and stacking area extend where else.
were available and if the expert Mr. Fletcher: That is the inter-advisers could suggest ideas which ments were practically ready for Whart and Godown Co, Holt's Mr. Fletcher said that docu, present is the district in which the ten that the solution lay in the ing back to the main markant for precision of very large wharves great portion of its length wo fort sketch that the angle shown in tance of shipping companies hav-shelter in typhoon weather,
Mr. Fletcher demonstrated by a
tion, certainly.
would obriste the necessity of all tanderers. Mr. Lang emphasised the impor- the big steamers going
wharf and the Railway are situated with transit godean spon thera, in in depth-the Government beds a the projecting arm of Capt. Darling some information as probable would be very valuable in the in-on the Government that there is
out to A Comprehensive Report.
Jfr. Fletcher: But there is au pitions sari as Hongium Bag, fell for future Harbour develop sun's plan, if that arm commenced cost of taking up sections of the 'terests of the Harbour in the fa-no real shelter in Hongkong Harferries are started there would be
it Mr. P.A. Cox wished to impresa traffic except passenger traffic. and at North Point -a deepsea wall 12 15 second onds in value to that further to the southward, would proposed wharves, and Mr. Fletture. The tendency was for more bour for large steamers in typhoon a large flow of motor lorries crossing Mr. Brown: When these vehicular with a barrow roodway, this
more proposed to be created at Hanhom, give rise to difficulties in connec-cher replied that, if it was decid-and more large steamers to come weather. than to ft. in width so that cargo prd one which on ne account should tion with railway construction be-ed to proceed with the scheme, de- here and the anxiety of the owners could be stung nerose inte goddens be alienated for any purpose un cause the angle would be too feite igures would be worked out and masters must be very great to you, Mr. Fletcher, to put the ferry service between Kowloon point Mr. Edkins: Would it appeal cheaper and quicker if there is a the Harbour. It would be very much twi joverning tonnerowd with shipping."
acute for trucks to negotiate. Messrs. Butterfield Mr Perkins continued: Through
and Swire in typhoon times. This aspect whole of the schemes before Sir and West Point. Motor lorries will The godowas on the projecting proposed to build a First, as regards methods of handen Hongkong's extended miles of
wharf and of the question had not been put. Maurice Fitzmaurice so that they take the place of the present small arm would At zive ling Compltim, of a sive cuts on front these is te at present cam would be congestion. The scheme,
facilities other shipping companies could see so far as he knew, to the engineers could be dealt with in one more boat traffe which creases between for sorting Carzo and there how they fared. da to charge for excessive hand single place set apart for facilitating
whether quay walla which would comprehensive report, and the two points at present, fing, from shit te lighter, lighter to the landing and distribution of of railway which, from a handling with the Kennedy Town Scheme
Mr. Fletcher went on to provided for
Bay offer typhoon shelter could only one line that the Government was going on provided
becially with a view to obtaining godown, and so on, had been numer building materials and for receiving point of view, seemed on impossi-almost at once. He explained the the Colony was building for the be quite sufficient to put these not be nearer, if this Hunghem
reasonable cost. more shelters for typhoons? On the files of the subject was the vast amount of debris,
Having regard to the fact that) Mr. Fletcher thought it would it would other ble arrangement than refuse, which has to be dispor stav-meat
sketch plan in some detail, espe-next 50 or 100 years, it was worth questions before Mr. Duncan on scheme goes through that the Colony was being the feared of yearly in every big city." Producing a map of the Towncially as to the reservation of the while to consider this aspect be-his return to the Colony, Mr. Point it is a mile to Taumeti and trade, which was going to Amey
Planning Scheme for Kowloon. Mr. front areas A Confident Offer.
to afford shipping fore being committed to large ex-Duncas had been specially chosen the Chiasse traffic is developing in- and Swatos, in spite of disadvan
Fletcher submitted that the rail-facilities. Fixed decisions would penditure. The lack of such accommodationway connection between the sug-not be made now, but at any rate. tages under which these ports suffer.must be costing the community gested wharf and Yaumati would! the areas would not be sold for
for services in the Colony on ac-mensely. The Chinese do not want Typhoon Weather.
count of his special abilities in to be haded at Kowloon Poist ed, simply because the charges here yearly much more than it could ever be through the
Mr. Flatcher thought that the these matters. were so high. This statement was have realised in the past by the part of Yaumati,
most crowded tenement houses Or ordinary Consulting Engineers had in view
The principal-development of the .corroborated by a Chinese Chamber sale of suitable sites for this pur Hunghom, ample land was avail Town Scheme was regarded by the Edkins.
whereas, at Chinese occupation. The Kennedy the question indicated by Mr.quite in favour of development is Road.
Mr. Edkins: Personally I at district is in the vicinity of Jordaa of Commerce report which had only pose nearer the centre of the City,able near the railway for offices, Government as a development plan,
all three areas, but, if we can have just been received by the Govern and, although North Point from its sorting sheds, etc. in addition to and not as one adding to the con- scheme wa: already in existence schemes now before us, it is worth
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Cousland: It seems to me we - that a something better than any of the shall need both. added ment They referred to the great position at one extremity of it can the space provided on the wharves gestion in a very crowded area. for constructing a long arm pro- while waiting for it a little longer.tion of stopping the Star Ferry. losses sustained on account of
Mr. Fletcher: There is no ques ex. not
ever satisfactorily meet the themselves. The whole point of This scheme would expand West jecting into cessive handling charges and gave City's full requirements in this
the Hunghom scheme the Point, and that was the Govern-enclosing an area for deep sea if we can get this wet dock I am ment policy with regard to ferries,
Mr. Fletcher I quite agree. statistics showing that a very large spect, it can do so to a very con- background
Explaining further the Govern of " accommodation ment's desire. trade in American flour, Australian siderable extent and very spacious The great trouble at present was
for offices, godowns and ridings.!
strongly in favour of it.. flour and Shanghai flour was being accommodation abould be set apart the lack of handling facilities by shipping or
Mr. Fletcher: Yes, and the En- After further discussion, Mr.
Mr. Fletcher said it was the inten The Chairman: If you charge gkeats were strongly of opinion Fletcher undertook to endangered by reason of direct ship for this purpose.”
part the ton to have a very big wharf with ments in recent years, instead of Mr. Fletcher mentioned that a kind the wharves. The Hungbom do not think it is certain that the
modern methods immediately be say 7 per cent on the outlay, 1wharves in typhoon weather.
godown companies that ships should leave the question of a wet dock before Mr.& concourse ares and avoid a great via Hongkong as formerly.
Duncan on his return from leave, congregation of rickshas waiting to Floar Chinese business man merchants, in consequence, had suf-'vinced of the possibilities of Northgested as Yannati,
was so con District was not nearly so con result would be to reduce the cost where you have no hurricanes, question of transport and comma-another. A passenger would be, At Singapore, Mr. Sutherland mentioned the take passengers from one wharf to of working cargo, because it would you have a wist dock. Here, it is Inication between West Font and (Continued on pago 16)*
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