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MR. LLOYD GEORGE'S GREAT SPEECH.
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MONDAY, OCTOBER 16, 1922.
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Before I dismiss that part of the topic, tot me say how much we' It is enough for me to call attention to the fact that since 1914, the Turks, according to official testimony we have received, have owe to the, promptikode, alzerity and enthusiasm with which Australia slaughtered in roki blynt a million and a half Armenians, and New Zealand supported us. (Cheers). The fact that they wired women and children, and five hundred thousand Greeks without to say there were thousands, nas tens of thousands of Australians any proquestion at all. I think it was right that before the Turkish and New Zealanders ready to come over so as to prevent the graves army should be allowed to creas into Europe in the Rush of victory of Galliped from being desecrated, that contributed to this happy with the blood of Smyrns on their hands, it should have had time result And even since I came into this room, I have had a very lot of 1975 Gallipoli boys and medical officers of forty-second division. On the eve of his speech at Manchester, Mr. Lloyd George was orated by thousands on arriving at Macclesfeld last night, whence to cool and that we should have guarantees that there would be interesting telegram Iron Manchester: "Good luck and greeting tron he magored, cheered by hundreds of Dag-waving people in the protection for minorities in Europe. That is all we did. (Cheers). (Cheers) But I sin told that we have departed from the methods ei villages, to Mobberley Hall, where he was the guest of Mr. Norton We are pledged to shield there people. I am tok it is cut our knsi-the old diplomacy; that is very sad. (Laughter),
Mr. Asquith said: Why did we not emulate the patient, forbearing Barclay. To-day, Mr. Lloyd George maite triumphant progressness. I am sorry to say that Liberals have been plazuling that it through the nine towns to Manchester from Mobberley Hall, travel-was none of our business to interfere between the Turks and their ing in an open car with his wife, and hast and hostess, along sunlit victims. What business is it of Britain. If the Terk insists, leave policy which Lord Grey displayed in 1914 towards the Germans, matend the old patient, forbearing policy of 1914 ended in the most disastrous rods He was cheered the whole way and reached Manchester as him alone; let him cruss the Straits; let him emiss to Constantinople of indulging in the amateur inetics of Downing Street to-day? Wel, It war which this world has ever seen. The anateur diplomacy of 1922 That was not the old Libera! policy. (Prolonged cheering) the business people were going home to lunch. Mr. Lloyd George,-free road and a fairway for the shambles. whose face was wreathed in smiles,, when acknowledging the hearty greetings, momentarily forge the cheering multitude as he passed was not the policy I certainly was brought up in. It was wet what has, at any rate, brought peace. I am not blaming anyoné for 1914, but the John Bright Statue, to which he raised his hat. He also stopped was taught in my youth that English, Scotch and Welshmen 1 think Lord Grey and Mr. Asquith, Enasing their own lifficulties in en rente to visit Mr. Willam Reyle, an'old political friend, now the should every morning repeat reverently the litany of the cynic, Am the past, might have been a little more forbearing and patient, not leader of the Manchester Independant Literals, who has just been my brother's keeper? that Kritain should face the world with merely with the Germans but with their own countrymen, (Cheers the brand at in upon her braw." That was not the old Liberal They have been very critical, very ceniral indeed; but, believe me, 1 cheers neither ought it be the new doctrine of the do not like entering into an altercation with old friends and colleagues. operated upon in a nursing home.
The vicinity of the Reform Club, where Sir Edward Rhode, destrine,
experience and great intellects to emphasise the shortcomings of President of the Coalition Liberals in Manchester, presided at a party that was led by Mr. Gladstone, I am told, I think by Liberal and have honestly done my best to keep out of it. But, when in *KELVIN MOTORS." Hunchen, was packed by massas of people behind barricades. Stand-Papers, that I must not invoke the name of Gladstone. I can under- alter speech. I have seen them using the whole of their great ing on the steps of the Club, Mr. Lloyd George waved his het instand the reluctance to call that great spirit from the rasty deep foibres, it is very difenit for me to trisain, for I am a lair pugakcióis Acknowledgment of the cheers and responding to cries fed a speech to withres tim perinch of Liberal feeders and Literal se spoper (animui (Laughter). No one knows better than Lord Grey, that when | Mr. Hoa George said: "I thank this great gathering for greeting attacking a Government because they are doing their best to prevent a come in a matter of international affairs there are factors are You have to control over factors at bone, but infinitely less avir (me in this city to put the case of the Government in the efom the Turks from erossing into Europe and committing atrocities upon which yon base no control,--DLP.
Lord Gladstone"s "Airs,"
leurut which make the position abroad, where national prejudicės. they have made to establish European pesce and to prevent blonda Christian p pulation.
Renewed cheers were given
1 maintain that the policy we adopted was a policy which is nativeal traditions, national interests and national outlooks all slifer. shed spreading over Eastern Europe "
in accordane? with the highest interest and traditions of this land it is not ray in the realms of foreign affairs 10 sreare agreement. as he entered the Club, and a handsome bouquet was presented to
You had another sreure results, and Lord, Grey Tuors that. Take 1914 His proposal and we lever reasons to be proud that it suveeded. Mrs Lord George.
Mr. Lloyd tieorge's Speech.
little serial function here a few ings ago, and it was addressed, were adminible; his temperi agree with Mr. Asquith was one of the The Chairman in tousting the Premier, mentioned that there believe, by Lord Gladstong. It was rather a shock to me to see any inst, but he was ret the Kaiser's advisor and he had no influenc Gladstone dersanding us because we were trying to protect the for the theran tieneral Stall. They had their own ambitions; they It is just possible that langnage less direct, that had been 7.0 applications for 300 seats,
It was rather a shock-a Gladal their an labore Mr. Lloyd George, in responding, was evated, and said: "Since great in tiles gm-t the Turks,
I would have taken it fengu almost anyone else, but--abyzeige mote dieet, language more emphatic, might have stopped it. of all kinds, especially for ship-averse to the North England. I have not witnessed those sympt
L'alamitous Diplomatic Failure. I am srp No one has greater respect for) Building and engineering worka.jsons of universal indinition and execration, with which the Gov-Gladstone! He was peculiarly offensive (eheers), and I am sorry but it is tay to be wise after the event.
Hot I am not criticising: I antionly painting at that it was -- beller is supposed to be regarded. The fact that to say he has been. stock. Best Complete
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lover twenty-five times as many people sought admission to this the name which he bears, I know the difficulties of any man with Formas 21 can estado, und the fact that very great crowds have out adequate gifts laughter), who has to carry through his life a greatest and most calamiton diplomatic failure that the world hyd Chad no control. He, therefore, ough! be chhotal with others. Take jimet me at every stage of my journey, might have been simply rejsers great name; but if he only does it with becoming modesty ner ween, ami that it was due to conditions over which Lord Gris garded as expressions of interest which a notorious offender always; daughter, de avald secure the piențassion, if not the respect, of every-
fact that wherever jumps
I am worry to say Land (adstone never played that part, the whole of the inculents of that periel Lord tiny sought to mak Created Laughter hat, it not been for the
He has actually the joltings of the train that carried us from 12-ben to the Balkan they were, they received me with enrdiality, warmth and enthusiasm and he has given himself airs, such as his great father never inear in the Balkans He made peace. but that pace chi not stami such as I have never experienced. I thank them. The perqle offlds most exalted days ever 100% spon himself.
that the Government deliberately fex-communicated us from the Liberal Party. Well, the Papier to pieces before it ever reached Son. That was not Turfanit; this country doe nnt believe
agree, which he could not control He tried to prevent the Turks Hom Cheers). On the not a hereditary office and Mr. Gladstone, in a most powerful the plan was good; his intentions were excellent, but these were incture makter. st important agains: Centering the wär Peavoured to rush this country into war.
was too strong for him He tried to preven: contrary, they regard that infamous charge as an estrage en Britis¦amants, noser ex egimuicated Laborals, wie dared fu.rplay. We insured the pace; we have not been warmongers: but invited them back with all his great powers of appeal andman diplomacy
| Bulgacia entering the war against us.. There again, German pl But Lord (Hadstend ex-commaniantes us What service has hel we have been peacemakers; we took the only sare road to peure. (persuasion.
mary deleated us. Well now. I have never taunted Lord Grey with He is
I do not taunt him now, but what I say is that when you' and we have reached it.
It has been largely day to the tact, judgment and resolation ¦ rendered uz Literalien)
but I WHATTE. of on representative at Constantinople, Sir Charles Haringtow and the best living embodiment of Liberal doctrine, but that quality is get into the realm of foreign affairs, there are things that I will La Langhter and cheersy
It is no use standing on the cain of gigante cannot duence, ear sagacions Luviser. Sir Horace Bumbold, and it has also be tireditary.
I cannot tell you how Pond speech after speel of cannot si-ualise, because us do, has there are factors you work throug!/ I am told I ought to hear it like a Christian failure and throwing stones at people who have to largely attributable to the patience and recl of Lorth Curzon, but, have stored at
To many hitfienities which are just as great as this. You may succeed or you Sir Charles Harington has said, und it is no derogation to either intolerable sho-e. pof them, it would have been impossible and it not been that re-laughter and a wie You are doing sub, but there are
then and trees were displayed in sending support to strifer påe about in the world row who think it is the business of the may fail. The task is always a compheated one; the task is always Christian to allow himself te i massacred by Tarks and pre-Turks a baffting one and all you can do is to keep at it and use very means Her.
am not that sort of Christianțat your disposal without her striking a blow, I
The crucis should be dispensed with great care, great toleranse Care Hart, which impressed the Oriental mind. bear. The neg tiutions, delicate um dieult and dangerens s
Cheers. Well, so much for himlari even with great charity, when you are dealing with foreign affairə. The strength to use it, I will they avers, have been conducted, under circumstances which for terror and as long as I have a swotul in my hand and that give.
the stagy than the dwazi1 ao not want to use any bitter words, it I can avoid it, about ol tumtely were with at precedent in this country. Whilst we were rolfetkins spectack os
I am told our Eastern policy has been a series of in- engaged in a most differit rask, we have been assalted with me strutting before the tealights in garments he has innėsited from Deagues.
presisations which I have flung out of what is supposed to be a rather What has been Laughters and cheers.
festrie brain, just to suit the caprices of the moment. representation, with abuse and with innuendo, such as no over-the ment in condarting International affairs has ever been subjected
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An Awkward Enemy but Valuable Friend. I am cold that we were right in ur object in keeping the Turks that policy! The policy, undoubtedly, was first of all to secure the Constantinople and fremdein of the Straita: spevuilly, to take away from Turkish rule thr Jout of Europe. preventing the massacre at
Partitioned Turkey. At the time we would not answer the charge. We had to ljekaring the Treedum of the Straits. All that was right, but we Turkey. There was only a small strip (Anatolia), left to the Turks.
warmongers, that we ought not to have used force: we ought to have argued with them: quiet while it was suggested that we werd
Wine policy was that I did not improvise it. I cang into 1: wese thirsting for blood. for the reason that you cannot place the we ought to have persuaded them. He is a gentleman who is very Laughter. Well now, do let us lock a
When I came into olice in 1916. I found a series of Agreements with Harington. in a megye printed yesterday. whole circumstances before the wounty without interfering with amenable persuasion.
But the time has come facts. Sir Charles the work of our representatives on the spot.
Turkey. There was only a small strip (Anatolia), left to the Turk. [ when I am enabled to speak, and I mean tu de so. (Applause). There attributed the fact that he had succeeded very largely to the reinssia. France, Italy and even Greece, which completely partitione is a writer in the Press who has made himselt very neturius by inforcements we went bim, and if you have any doubt about it just who did that: Lord Grey and Mr. Asquith. I was a member of the the constancy and malignity with which he has pursued the Govern-you bark back to the speech which he delivered before the Tuskovernment and I approved it, and I make no complaint about i ment for yours. The moment he heard that Mr. Chamberlain and Sir Charles Harington was doubtful whether they were going but I want to say that it was not me policy. More than that, that I were going to defend the Government, he said what better proof sign, and this is his last appeal. He told the Turks that conciliation was approved by Liberals and Conservatives and. I think ! do u want of their guilt; fot only that, it makes things were had been carried to the utmost limit, and he warned Ismet Pashaaz say, the Labour leaders. They were all members of the Cabinet That is a new doctrine. Here is a poor fellow charged with every that Great Britain had on the spot a very large and owerful dee, that dealt with it. Earl Balfour, Mr. Bonar Law, Lord Lansdowne and The moment he pleads not guilty and beging large numbers of aeroplanes," guns and a by no means nezliáble forge Mr. Chamberlain, as well as Lord tirey, Mr. Asquith, Mr. Churchill an I conceivable offence.
Will now. that in the sort of hands of Mr. Asquith and Lord Grey, and it was not the policy which I defend himself, the prosecuting counsel shrieks with joy and of infantry; in fact that Great Britain would be a very awkward ayseti, we were all committed to it. But the direction was in ul- I came into it. Turkey had been almost completely saes, now le that not only a proof of his guilt but an antiul Aggrava-long but a very valuable friemi
partrosed by Agreements entered into with the various Powers before tion of Laughter). Gentlemen, there are queer people let thing the Turk understands, and I am pot at all surprised at what rated.
Renewed laughter). My task!
I followed in the statement, that it made a very great impression. loou in the Press in these days.
Just think bợ a woquent whent would dann harperk. We were I ever beesme, Prime Minister. Why did it fail! It failed mwing in in explaining the action of the Government has been rendered very beeth our nasal arak militare attire that we could not sireumstances over which neither Lord Geey, por Mr. Asquith, ner maris vaser by the spreek which Mr. Chanderlain bersy speak-
The Turks aeaned upon ; the French retired stantinople: the Straits had been given to Russia. I do not mind s ing with hereditary point and force, delivered yesterday. But there the freedom of the straits for peaceful eaters unless we self had the slightest control: Russia's collapse; Armenia; Cor
held with sides. are a few things that I feel bound to say, although they may be at the fans follard close their bl. We were told in sperall but it was a very short-sighted policy. I agreed to it and, there repetition, because they must be haought homa. Sir, what were the ani in the Press tint it was our business to, what our aliis fore. I have got no right to criticise either Mr. Asquith or Lord Gres. The but I am, however, bound to confess that it was a very short-sighted Suppose we had followed weakly behind Franze. our objects in the action we took? They were threefold. First.were s it was to secure the freedom of the Straits for the commerce of all Remalisz forces would have been at Chanak. The next thing that would policy because if the Russian revelation bad come after the war instead nations; second, it was to present war from spreading into Europe have happened would have been the crossing of the Strait. Gallif during the war you would have had Bokherists at this moment in ↑ with all the inconceivable possibilities of a conflagration: and third. was held by a very wrak Senegal-ce battalion with orders that they | Constantinople and the Straits.
it was to prevent a repetition in Constantinople, and in Greece, of were out to fire ng the Turks. Both sides of the Straits would have
it was a mistake, but we were all in it. Don't imagine I ar the scenes of intolerable horror which had been enacted in Asit.been in Kemalist hauls, 1 you think you would have got them out?
You would have gua to a Peace Conference and said, "Will you blaming anybody, that I am not taking part of the blame myself. What Minor during the last six or seven years.
I plense "ket away from Chanak ami Gallipoli and Kemal would have was the other thing that happened! The Italian finistry that was I have not much to say about the Straita. It is not Lecessary and No, we will guarantee the Straits for you" Woold anyone have responsible for the policy of taking Southern Anatolis into occupation to point cut the importance of securing the Straits against a repeti- ue to rive them out of the position afterward, if they had us of Italy. fell, and a new Ministry came in with other ideas. Neithe You know what it Lord Grey, nor Mr. Asquith, nor myself were responsible for turning Sone that Ministry out. What is the next! The French defeat in Cilicia. tion of what happened in 1914. That prolonged the war for twilled before the Conference? Of course not.
erst before,"to attempt it. To hold it is a very different matter. years, and it very early brought upon the cause of the Allies. irreper thing would have imppened in the Bosphorus. They would have been which made them re-cast their policy. What was the next? Pr. sident Wilson was under the impression that he could have persuaded able disaster. But, apart from that, it is the only road to the fair-
Fin Constantinople. way of the Black Sea, where you have got ruw materials and food,
Sir Charles Harington wameri ne that there were fifteen thousand America to take a mandate for Armenia. Well, his health broke down.. surplus raw materals and food in times of peace, in normal times
the fall of that great, wise and sagacious statesman, M. Venizelos. such as to other part of Europe could supply, and of the commerce twenty thousand Turks, all of the most famatical character, inside We had no control over that. And then esme one of the greatest disaster Constantinople leath. You know what would have happened, Ithink)
Then and the substitution of the feeble, futile and foolish administration. of that part of the world, one-third has always been in British ships.of it; it is tre horrible if we had allowed them to pass.
It is vital to us and vital to humanity. We could not have those critics say, Why did you not have an understanding with emir Allies that followed it. Well, all of these are circumstances over which ne without giving away the biggest and the most we did. (Applause). Ünly. few weeks ago we received a message from tiovernment in, this country bad ary control, so we have had to re-cam Straits barred important prize which we won by our victory over Turkey in the the French Government that if the Greeks or Parks invaded the car policy. We have made the best of it, and we have succeeded in Great War (Cheers), and which lost us so much in life and treasure.eutral zone, they would have to be fexisted by force by the Allies.securing the freedom of the Straits, which is not merely a primary HUR were we to British interest, but s primary human interest We have succeedes As to the spreading of war into Europe, you have only got to We needed that. We thought they meant it.
also in holding up the peace antil you had established the freedom of happened it. Turkey. flashed believe that it was only intended for one side, (Hear, war).
that great, gilted people, the Arab race, and also some sort of pr think of what would have
A First-Rate Fighting Animal with victory and with no army to resist, had crossed the Bosphorus,
tection for minorities in Eastern Europe. So much for that part. : Treaty of Sevres and the Others. passed into Thrace, and had occupied Constantinople. Do you think)
The Importance of the Straits.
All In It.
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I might just auki one word before I dispose of this part of the
Not only, did we think so, but the Generals also thought, and he would have stopped in Eastern Thrace? Do you think he would troops were sent by the various Allied Generals, but they had to be have camped on the Maritsa? Who was to stop, him? He would recalled. It is no use trying to blufi a first-rate fighting animal, atul | have swept into Western Thrace and possibly passed into the Turk is that, whatever else he is. You can try bluff with cowards, case, about what is said that these treaties were mine and prepared Salonica. You know what that means.. War! And the war but it is no use with really brave mere They know instinctively when try myself I fally responsible for them, but it is supposed that you mean business, and when you don' What were we to do? Were I took it out of the bands of the Foreign Office the Treaty of Bevier in 1914 practically began in the Balkans.
It was a situation full of peril and yet we had to act promptly, we to read a message to Mustapaha Kemal saying: You must not and all the others. I will read a short extract from a memorandum resolutely, firmly, and, to make it clear that we were not going to cross this neutral zone, otherwise we will resist you by force,' and prepared by the Foreign Office, pot for myself, but prepared for the allow the fires to sweep over, the Bosphorus. What would have the moment he uses force, British troops were to run away is that Cabinet This is how the Treaty of Sevres was prepared: The the policy? (Crigs of No, no"). I remember visiting one of the general basis of wettlement was explored by M. Berthelot of the French happened in Constantinople I dare not tell you. Sir Charles Harring chateaux in France during the Peace Conference. I think it was Foreign Ofe, and Lord Curzon in December, 1919, at the Foreign. tun warned us what might have happened a terrible catastrophe. Chateau St. Jean, and I was very much struck with the figure of a Other(All this was supposed to have been done from. Downing The population of Constantinople is only half Turkish, barely half very fierce-looking dragon with faming eyes, determined mies and breet by my Secretariati (Laughter) But the Supreme Council There are hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Greeks there. Ifire shorting out his nostrils, but with his tail firmly wedged between did not assemble until February, 1990, in London, and after several could call the testimony of a gentleman who has been the military his legs. (Laughter). Was the British Government to present this meetings, delegated the work of preparing the Tready to the Cou adviser and pamphleteer of Abingdon Street, General Maurice. He spectacle of a British dragon to the world in that humiliating attitude 1 mitfee of Foreign Ministers and Ambassadors sitting at the Foreign Well, we did not, (cheers) you can if you like say Offee. That meeting was prended over by Lord Curzon. I nerez aaid that if we did not hold Chanak, there would be scenes in Con-(Uries of "No")
stardinople by the side of which the fires of Smyrus would pale. we threatened. It is always a mistake to threaten unless you, mend stiended it, though I approved of it. The Conferences this your ? am not going into the question of who is responsible in Smyrna Iit, and it is because, not merely that we threatened but we mesat it this matter the Conferences at the beginning of the year, as wel am not going to discuss whether the Greeks provoked the Turks or and the Turk knew that we meant it, that you have pesce now, (Loud
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the Tarks the Greeks.
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