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and I should say on the face of it, that none were; for if such had been the case, I should have committed him and handed him over to the Attorney General, I may mention that in any cases that Mr Caldwell brought before me, when there were Chinese papers, I have requested him to look into them and take charge of them, and if anything criminatory were found in them, to have it ready against the next hearing of the case.
Mr Caldwell appeared at the Police Court in a case in which Ma-chow Wong was charged with obstructing the police, and Mr May came up afterwards and expressed his regret that he was not up before the case was dismissed,
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had adopted Awoon.
I recollect so far of the general state ment made in that letter, and that the day or two after, I w informed by the party, from whom I got the information that the connection was the other to by the Governor for a report concerning Ma-chow Wong I was applied and hence this statement. I am giving the matter as me rumour from individuals, and I would rather decline answer- ing the question who was the particular individual from to deny all connection in any shape or any way, be whom I got this information. I understood Mr Caldwe
blood or usage, between himself or any female with whom he had connection, and Ma-chow Wong. No other person tol me of the one fact mentioned in my letter, except the one alluded to.
I received it from that person as being popula
Beaver's arrest must have been nearer October than June ; I cannot fix the time. The first time he was brought before me by Mr Caldwell, then by Roberts. He has been frequent. ly in the hands of the Police; he was rather of the Eli Boggsreport. I have had conversations with several Chinese abou stamp.
Adjourned till 12 o'clock to-morrow.
SEVENTEENTH MEETING.
Ma-chow Wong, but this particular information was only received through one. I cannot give the commission any general information, as I was absent from the Colony during the years in which the things happened which are now Wednesday, 30th June, 1858, at 12 o'clock Noon.
being investigated. I felt convinced of the fact of Ma chow Wong's connection with Mr Caldwell, when I told the Present, All the Members, except Mr Scarth.
Chief Magistrate of it. It was Mr Caldwell's statement in [Handed in (R) a copy of the Notification appointing Mr Court which convinced me I was in error. Grand-Pre in Mr Caldwell's stead.]
I do not of my own knowledge know what Mr Caldwell's business connections with Ma-chow Wong were-nothing ANDREW LYSAGHT INGLIS, Governor of the Gaol, further than from hearsay, I cannot name any one who ca Called and examined.
I don't know anything of my own knowledge about Mr Caldwell's connections with Ma-chow Wong. All that I know is from hearsay from Chinamen, and I believe that is not acceptable as evidence. I never saw Ma-chow Wong to my knowledge, until he was handed into my custody. There is no end to the number of Chinese with whom I have spoken concerning Ma-chow Wong. I expect it was hearsay on hearsay on the part of the Chinese I have spoken with. [The Commission decided to let Mr Inglis state what he had heard, reserving to themselves the acceptance of it as evi- dence.] The connection was rumoured to be in a variety of ways. I have heard it said that Mr Caldwell's former Chinese wife, Awoon, was exceedingly friendly with Ma-chow Wong in the early period of my residence. I have also heard it mentioned that Awoon had adopted Ma-chow Wong as her adopted son. Awoon is much older than Mr Caldwell; there could not be much difference in age between Awoon and Ma-chow Wong. From what I can recollect, I have since that time heard Mr Caldwell on oath in Court deny that connection in toto, and as I have nothing but hearsay to the contrary, on his having done so, concluded that I was mis- informed. I do not know that I have heard it more than once. It was first when Ma-chow Wong was apprehended, when his affairs became the subject of conversation. I have heard there was a great intimacy betwixt Mr Caldwell and Ma-chow Wong for a number of years. I recollect that in my letter to the Acting Colonial Secretary on the 14th July, 1857, I made an erroneous statement, that Ma-chow Wong
give information. I found myself mistaken in one popular report in which I placed credence, and I might be wrong in others, and therefore do not like to mention other reports I have heard as I might be wrong in them as I was before. I think, probably, I had better decline answering questions as to reputed connections, as I have been already once mistaken. The proceedings before the Police Court seldom come to my knowledge; the prisoners are sent into the Gaol on a warrant. I do not recollect the case in which a man was charged with stealing a watch from Mr Lapraik, beyond the mere fact. I do not know whether the charge was got up in the Gaol I cannot say whether Mr Caldwell was in the Gaol getting evidence on it--Mr Caldwell, as a Justice of the Peace, bas permission to enter the Gaol,-but I can find out by reference to the books if the day was given me.
I cannot say
I know anything generally of cases in which Chinese of good repute had been arrested, thrown into Gaol, and refused bail, upon charges got up in the Gaol, or whether Mr Caldwell has been personally present at such times. There have been num- bers of prisoners in on Mr Caldwell's warrant, but I have not inquired into the particulars of the cases.
Information has been given to myself, to Mr Caldwell, and to Dr Bridges, by Ma-chow Wong since his conviction, in many different cases,
only one case, which I can recollect, in which a man was actually arrested. The information has not invariably been through me in the first place. Ma-chow Wong has been some times up in my office, and has given me information in the pre- sence of Dr Bridges and Mr Caldwell-he has also given me information personally in the Gaol-he has also, I rather
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think, given Mr Caldwell information, who has come for that I mentioned the matter to me first. I think it very probable, purpose to the Gaol.
I can say nothing further on this and at that time I seldom went down into Gaol, but Ma-chow point. I recollect Akü, the Police Court interpreter, being Wong volunteered some information on some point. My charged with extortion, and that Pang Poi-yeen, a invariably shewing him a cold shoulder, at length led him convict, and another convict gave evidence against him. to discontinue his communications, and I have had no infor- I cannot say of my own knowledge that Ma-chow Wong mation from him on any subject for many months past. I had any connection with the case, but I recollect it think I have written notes to Mr Caldwell about information was reported to me at the time by the turnkey, that Ma- received from Ma-chow Wong, and I think there was a note chow Wong was very busy going about amongst the writen to Mr Caldwell in this particular case. I can't exact- prisoners, and that the impression was in Gaol, that hely say, there were so many conversations on this subject, was at the root of the matter. I do not know that Mr Cald- but the information may have come first from Kum-yee—one well was engaged in getting up evidence against Tong Aku. of the political prisoners. The arrest of the prisoner in the Pang Poi-yeen was in the habit formerly of writing many case was certainly through information supplied by Kum-yee letters, which he sent through me to the Acting Colonial and Ma-chow Wong conjointly. Secretary. They were generally long epistles, covering Re-examined.When I say hearsay, I mean reputation or several sheets of paper, and I did not master their rumour current in this Chinese community, as to the nature contents. All his letters related more or less to the of the connection between Ma-chow Wong and Mr Caldwell. gold dust robbery, but he was striving to exonerate I know one or two instances of adopted children, in which chil- himself.
I recollect a particular reference to a watch dren adopted by the female are not considered as the adopted which was stolen. The Acting Colonial Secretary at that of the male, but I am not sufficiently conversant with Chinese time was in the habit of coming in to the Gaol every day or usage in this respect to say, positively, whether the adoption every other day, so that it is impossible for me to recollect by Awoon imports the adoption by Mr Caldwell or not. any particular occasion. I do not recollect with respect to would not consider in the case of a European living with a Pang Poi-yeen's statement, anything transpiring about a Chinese concubine, if such concubine had adopted another watch stolen from Dr Bridges, but afterwards there was a as her son, or been adopted by another as his daughter, such man in Gaol who was said to have stolen a watch--which European would certainly not be deemed the son or father, I know had been stolen from the Acting Colonial Secretary, as the case may be, of the person adopting or adopted by The spy Ashing has been employed through me, and such concubine; but Mr Caldwell's was an exceptional case-- Cock-eye has been assisting him in hopes of a reward for not in the matter of his living with Awoon, but from his the apprehension of the robbers who robbed Mr Hazeland. position with respect to the Chinese people-his intimate They were in.no shape employed through me at the recom- knowledge of their language and customs-he would be apt mendation of Mr Caldwell. I may also state that their em-to be considered by the Chinese community to be more ploy in the first place had no connection with the capture amenable to their customs, than any other European in this of robbers, or persons of that description. They were Colony. I understood Mr Caldwell to be under the im- employed by me at the instance of His Excellency the pression, when he made the statement in Court on oath, that Governor for the public safety, more particularly in the report alluded to the present Mrs Caldwell. I don't at regard of the recent incendiarism, and for information this present time recollect the exact words used by Mr Cald- of what transpired on the mainland of China, for the well, further than that they were very explicit, and led me protection of the Colony. Information was given me to believe that he denied any connection through any females. by the man Ashing, with respect to the robbery of of his family with Ma-chow Wong at any time. I personally Mr Hazeland, and although it was not the duty upon which heard him in Court say this. Beyond this denial of his own, they were employed, I considered myself bound to forward I have never heard anything to cause me to doubt the story, the information I received to the Acting Colonial Secretary. which I at first believed. At the date of such denial, it was Mr Caldwell has never during my tenure of office, recom- not the general impression that Ma-chow Wong had adopted mended to me any persons as spies.
him or his present wife. I had mistaken my informant on Cross-examined. Regarding the Stanley murder case, from that point. In connection with this adoption, Mr Davies, I the information which I have received in the Gaol, I feel per- think had heard from me of such adoption. He had been fectly convinced that a murder has been committed. Mr under the impression previously, that Ayow was the person Caldwell received the information upon which he acted from meant, but I informed him as well as the Acting Colonial Se- Mi-chow Wong in my presence, and in presence of thecretary, that it was Awoon who was meant. Besides, my Acting Colonial Secretary. I can give no reason for their letter which has been produced, shews expressly that Awoon coming down to make the inquiry, beyond their anxiety to was the party intended, and not the present Mrs Caldwell. carry out the ends of justice. I had, in the first place, com- municated Ma-chow Wong's information to the Acting Colo- nial Secretary. I do not recollect whether Ma-chow Wong
I recollect, very probably since this enquiry began, restating this to the Attorney General, but I cannot recollect the date. I do not recollect how it was put to me by the Attorney Ge-
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