PERILS OF INDUSTRIALISM IN ASIA.
ILLUMINATING ADDRESS BY MEMBER OF BRITISH ECONOMIC MISSION.
OUTSPOKEN “TALK” TO LOCAL ROTARIANS.
Mr. Jamen Holl, M.P., a member of the British Economic Mis- 'sico, gavo an interesting and illuminating address at the Rotary Club luncheon yesterday on "Labour Organisation and Industry," The speaker, dwelt at 'great length upon the importance of good treatment for those engaged in industrial work and referred to the good work done by trade unions and labour organisations in in bringing about reasonable wages, reasonable hours and satisfac- tory working conditions."
Sir William Hornell presided and there was practically a hill attendance of Rotarians, ·
In addition to the speaker, members of the British Economic Mission present were Sir Thomas Allen, Mr. Louis Beale, C.B.E., Mr. William A. Crowther, J.P., Lieut.-Colonel Reginald Morcom, QB.E, Mr. F. W. Birchenough, J.P., Mr. E. Duxbury, Mr. George Greon, Mr. Josoph Wild, Mr. Arthur Roin, J.P., Sir Ernest Thomp- son, it was announced, was under the doctor's care and was unable to attend.
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Ar. Boll enid:"I know that in; WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN this room thoro are various interests represented and I daresay there are some in the room who, when they knew that a so-called labour
"Imagine some of us going into a mill with women, little children
HONG KONG DAILY PRESS, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 1931.
"INDUSTRIAL EVILS. “Thory ar» many evils'in indu- try. I have raferred to long hours, low wages and bad conditious, but why have we to refer to those things? Sometimes, thor it is ig Great Britain, or, in China or Japan, or Germany or America, we find Parliaments passing factory laws and compensation acts, and things of that: kind. What does that mean? It means that those who are engaged in industry from the omgitalists' side canot be trusted to do the fair things to those whom they employ. Someone has to compel them to do what is right. That is not because there' ara no employers who want to do what is right. You got most par liamentary interference when Bono- thing also comes into operation and that brings me to the second part of my addroom-Labour Organisa tion in Industry.
babies in baskete inside. The door opens and we cannot see the women or childron or even machining to do them.
man had to make a speech on the subject of “Labour Organisation and Industry" or, if you will pornit me, I would call it " Labourery for the steam inside the facthe Economic Mission, are employ
tory, and only when our eyes have become accustomed to the steam and the fight, is it that we discover that there is machinery working, and women and children engaged in industry.
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ISOLATION OF SMALL-POX CASES
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CAPT. W. C. PASSMORE.
The funeral of Captain W. C. The place in which Chinesa | Pasamoré, formerly of the Douglas suffering from small-pox can now Steamship Company, took place at be treated according to Chinese the Protestant Cemetery, Happy medical practice is the Tung Wah Valley yesterday. The Rev. W. Smallpox Hospital. I shall cer- Rogers officiated, and there were tainly press for the right of Chineson, large number of deceased's to be rented in an institution of friends and colleagues prosent. that kind, whero Chiness modical treatment can be given without molestation.
Those present included:—Mr. and Mrs. F.. W. Stapleton, Miss Manuk, Messrs. W. J. Edwards, J. Williams, W. Perritt, Benson, P. Farrell, W. Jackson, B. R
several ladios,
The Case for the Chiness, Mr. Wong Kwong Tin said:— The attempt of the M.O.H. to Branch, Neilson, E. C. Tregellis, Captain Kilboo; Captain T. T. rescind the concessions granted by the resolation of October 15, 2018,
Laurenson, D.S.C., Mesara, J. Gibe will be viewed with the greatest, A. H. White, S. T. William-
Chinese community, on whose bo-M. Gregory and W. A. Carroll and concorn by a vast majority of the son, O, I Farmor, D. V. Staaven- som,¡ 8. A. Abraham, G. Kow, T. half I can claim to speak. To the average Chinese, condemnation to be compulsory isolated has the same tone na a sentence to impri- sonment and to him has the same horrors. Hospitals, particularly isolation hospitals in this part of the world, are not what they might hospital habit has fastened itself on be and until what I might term the the Chinese people, any attempt to enforce isolation is, in my opinion, brutal. If the habit of going to hospital is to be fostered, a habit which I gather the medical autho rities are anxious to encourage, the only means is by gradual coaxing. Threata of compulsory isolation] will have an opposits effect. Even if the amenities obtainable in hospitals enjoyed by some patients at home, were sometimes superior to those
yet it must be remembered that
I venture to any that you would fed it impossible in any country in the world to carry on your in dustry without some form of labour. organisation. Both, in England and ever singo 1 came out to the Far East I have been trying to point out that those who aro"en- gagód in industry, and do, went to do what is right, and who want to do what is the fair thing by their work people, are only able to what is right and only able to give their work people a fair deal when there are labour organisations of suficient strength to make those who did not want to do those things do them in spite of their not want Some of my friends, who are on
ors of labour, and they may want, and I know they do want, to pay their workpooplo decont wages. They do not what to work them too long hours They want to give them the best of conditions while they are working. They want to do these things but these good employ dard for industry. Whether you ors, after all, cannot set the stan call them labour organisations ar Trade Unions, call thear whatever you like, it would be impossible for however bumble there is no place the good employer to exist in induslike home." The home to the Chi try unless you had some form of nese, means grost deal and it is labour organisation. If I were to this fondness of home and not mean, and in ordor not to offend which has prompted many of them give the illustration of what superstition, as has been alleged, the Chairman, I would call him to come forward and urge that the the good employer and I would call present system of receiving treat myself the find employer.
ment at home be allowed to con- tinue.
TRADE UNIONS.
ing wife Nora, his sorrowing son, Wreaths wore wont by, His Sorrow.
Dudley, Mr. and Mrs. J. Gibson, Mrs. W. Thom and Family, Mr. Louise, Mr. and Mrs. Stapleton, and Mrs. T. Knox, the China Coast
Officers' and
Guild, Miss· Á, Mickey, Mr. and Mrs. W. J. Ed- wards, Mr. and Mrs. Mottor), and Family, Mr. and Mrs. C. M Captain and Mrs. B. R., Branch Clover, Capt, and Mrs. D. Kellie, Mr. and Mrs. I. R. Suiter, MTS. Capt. and Mrs. E. C. Tregallis, B. Braga, and Miss M. C. Braga, Mr. and Mrs. S. E. Green, Mr. and Mrs. W. R. Ramsay, Dr. E. Souza, Mr. and Mrs, J. P. Robin son and daughter, Capt, and Mr. Boyce, Capt. and Mrs. P. Going, Mrs. A. Spittles, Mr. P A Mackintosh, Mr. and Mrs. Forbes, Mr. and Mrs. Mekao, Mr. and Mrs Neilson, Mr. P. T. and Miss Far-
C. W, Kew, Mr. and Mrs. G. W. Capt. W. Porritt, Mr. and Mrs. rell, Mrs. Capoll and Family,
Kew, Mr. and Mrs. F. W. Woller,
Organisation in Industry," won- dered what kind of men, after all, those labour men, were. I want to assure you that whatever anybody has said about us and whatever! I refer to these things merely kind of picture the Press has paint. for this reason, we are sometimes ed of us, we are men like your-ust be used in lands and coun told that our capital anti our money selves, with the samo kind of tries where there is an abundant supply of cheap labour. We are thoughts, the same kind of feeling" tuld that in some countrive they
Mr. and Mrs. 3. Ormiston, Mr. and, although you may look at have the advantage of an abundant
and Miss Manuk, Mr. R. D. things from a differont angle to the supply of cheap labour, and I wont
Thomas, Mr. and Mrs. G. Harris way we have looked at them, I am to ask you, in all seriousness, is
Walker, Mrs. H. A. Walker and going to venture to claim, aftor all,ply of cheap inbour? I am going
son, Mr. T. M. Gregory, Mr. and it un advantage an abundant sup:
daughter, Mr. and Mrs. A. Robert our outlook is the right one and, to venture to say that it is not an
Mrs. B. Pasco, Mr. and Mrs. H. M. if yours is different, then your advantage, because, whether it is
Gregory, Mr. P. A, Boqueria, Miss in China or whether it is in Japan, must be the wrong one. (Laughter.)if employers of Inbour and if capi
I Bishop, Mr.. Kwan Chuen, Capt. and Mra. E. Wallia, Mr. Coy Chuk "After all, what is industry|talists-I want to speak quite
Dumping of Dead Bodies. -
He, Mr. and Mrs. 8, O. Mitford, What do we mean when we talk plainly are to be allowed to take.
Madame Chiffon, Mr. and Mrs. A. advantage of that abundant supply ganisations, and leave the employ. Take away your trade union or about industrial
It seems to nie that the question Pinquet, Mr. Leung Ping Chee, development?
of cheap labour, in order to Men and wonen, who are engaged that labour to lower the standard era to treat their work poople just of receiving treatment at home has Mr. E. G. and Misy Remedios, Mr in growing food from the soil of of life, not only in Japan or China, as the employers would like to treat only arisen, Because the M.O.H. in Pong Kam Man, Mr. and Mrs. O. the seeking ways and means for pre- C. Dalziel, Capt. O. H. Frarrar, our various countries, are engaged and other more advanced countries, good employer and the liad employ particularly those dead of small Mr. Neil Lang, Mr and Mrs. C.
but also in Great Britain, America them, then what becomes of
venting the duniping of dead bodies, UB.E., Mr. Chung Wing Heu, in industry. Men and women, who then I want to say that it is not work my people for 12 hours a day, thinks that the remedy is to be Stewart. Mr. A. H. White, Mr. er? If I am the bad employer and pox-the real problem at issue. Farmer, Opt. and Mrs. A. H. are engagor in making clothes, an advantage that capitalists should and I could if Parliament did not he allowed to take advantage of an whether woollon or cotton goods, or bundant supply of cheap labour in interfere and if there were no trade fonad in enforcing compulsory isola and Mrs. S. TWilliamson, Mrs. whether engaged in making boots,order to lower the standard of life union organisations to prevent me, gains his power to order any small. Mr. and Mrs, Saunderson Smith, tion. Supposing the M.O.H. re- L, Dand and Miss Daisy O'Keefe, and your Chaimaan wants to be á. or shoes or slippers, or anything for the vast majority of people in good employer, that is, he works bis pox case to hospital, how will it Mr and Mrs, E. K., Boyer, Mr. else that we wear, they are engagedong hours, low wages and all work people eight hours a day and work out in practice! He has first and Miss Hirsoka, Engineers and in industry. Before I go any furthe evils that follow in their train pays them good wages, and I pay
to catch his small-pox case. Doos Officers of the s.o. Haiyang, In- ther, let me throw this at, you are some of the things that this my workpeople the lowest possible he think that the case will be noti stitute of Engineers and Shipbuild. of Hong Kong, Percop How is it that men and women and world of ours is suffering from wages, who is going to get the find so that it may be sent to era
Priory No. business? Not your good employer. hospital would it not rather result tory and little children, who are engaged in to-day. Thero are employers of I should go into tho, market as the in still fever notifications, the pau- Masonic lodge, Victoria Chap growing food have not enough food Inbour in this room, I know, but
tor 525, Ah. Jacks Stevedore, to eat How is it that men and I do not believe that there is one bad employer and boat him every city of which he already bemoans? women and children, who are on- of them-I do not care whether ho all the business, and your good eme to hours visit with a party of small- agents, Engineers and officers of day in the work, 'and I should tako Perhaps he will suggest a 'house Jardine Matheson & Co., Foochow gaged in producing the things that is engaged in the cotton, woollen,
wear have not enough to wear engineering, or any other industry player would have to come down por detectives; but after having the as Haining. Engineers of the themadives?
to my standard, and, therefore, discovered the culprit can he not se. Haiching. Captain and Officers your bad employer would act the write "unclean" on bis front door of the an. Haiyang, Captain and standard in your industry. » Your and thus produce the desired bloera of the s.s. Hatching, Cap. labour organisation and trade effect i
tain and officers of the as.. Haining, organise the work people. What matters of public health it is not Laprak & Co., and many union organisation endeavour to
Again, I would submit that in Douglas Steamship Co., and Daug for? Not because wo want striken.
chers. Not because we want disputes, but because we want to have the power to make the bad employer do what the good employer wants to do. That is the aim of practically all our labour organizations in indus-
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Rho wants to work their work people long, hours, who wants to pay them low wages, or who wants to compel them to work under in-
"When I think of some of the sanitary conditions or under con things that we morbera of the ditions that are not good for their Economic Mission have seen dur-own health. ing our investigations in. the Far
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so much the problem of curing a disease after it has manifested itself that ought to be given im- portance; but the problem of pre- due regard to the convenience of venting altogether the occurrence of occupants. I will not go in to de- any such disease.
tail of what very often happens;
So in our attitude towards small-but it suffecs me to say that far ox, the problem of eradication greater contentment will result and should receive a place more import. In notifying cases more alacrity will pulsory vaccination and not cre I would, Bir, propose the follow ant than that of eure, henes com. | be shown-it- pulsary isolation should receive first ing amendment, that the resolution consideration.
of the 15th October, 1918, be allow- ed stand, subject to further con- ditions to be laid down by the Board. Such conditions may take
Chinese and Western Methods." I do not know whether autho rities on western medicine are at a drastic form and may be left to ons regarding the nature of small. a Committee to devise; provision pox, but it is clear that there is for heavy penalties in case of considerable difference of opinion dumping may be included; but the between the Chinese doctor and his right to receive treatment at home western or western-trained confrère. should be preserved. The Chiness doctor does not re
Motim Carried, dan. gard the malady in such notions, often admittedly ineffen views expressed by Mr. Wong derous light With his bitter. Mr. T. N. Chau supported the tive, he has managed with appreKwong Tip and suggested se an ciable suceras in small-pox cases to alternative to rescinding the resolu bring about oure, If compulsory tion that publicity and propaganda isolation were to be restored to, should be commenced which might would not thie channel of possible help to broadcast the real dangers cure be closed to sufferers 1, of concealment of small-pox canes He suggested, however, that trent- ment a home should be allowed to continue as withdrawal of that permission would result in more failures to notify the authorities of cases of small-poz.
East-I am not going to condemn STRAIGHT TALKING. them too much--but when I have seen little girls engaged in some "When they tell me that they of the silk filature factories, and I are not angagel in industry, for the have seen them salding their little good of their health I know that fingers in handling the silk na it they state the facts, and I know try, passed through boiling water, and also that many of them, I cannot I have realised that that was being say all of them unfortunately, wins done in order to provide some body with silk stockings to wear, and I knew that the girls who were scalding their fingers would never of those who are working for them.unions and in our labour organisa be able to afford the silk stockings Unlosa industry can be carried an tions, I am not going to condemn for their awn legs, you cannot be with every considération for those either trade unions or labour-or- surprised if I, as a labour man, say who are engaged in that industry,ganisations merely becauES FOTO- that there is something wrong in then industry is not worth the times we got extremiste voicing our industries, if those who aro | candle and not worthy to be con- their opinions inside our move- engaged in the tail of those indus-sidered na something that is going mont. Labour organisations are trios cannot afford to buy the things to benefit either England, Scotland, not the only organisations where that they are making,
Germany, or any other nation. extremists are allowed to air their. "Whether we are in China or Industry must be carried on views. I do not want you to con Japan, we must remember it is not not for the benefit of the low. Idem a movement that has done 20 many years ago that in the do not want to waste any words more to raise the standard of life British Isles little children were but sometimes we talk about capital for the workers of the world. then brought into our cotton factories and labour, being equal in indus- any other movement in industry, and housed and fed in our cotton try. I wish they were. When you "Do not condann our Inbour or factories, and at that time we were yet capital in industry, intorest ganizations merely because some tuld exactly the same kind of tale has to be paid on your capital, extreme men uso extreme words, but that we are told now--that we are whether the industry is being car- give us the credit that we are on- not in industry for the good of our ried on or not, You have, neren xious, to give the employers who health. When we met some of the known of banks foregoing their want to do the fair thing a chance leaders of industry in Japan, we intercat even if the mille or the to do what they want to do. Do To come to the matter of dump. had the same kind of tale told us mines close down and there is no not forgot that wherever industry ing, I do not believe that the. Chi- but in slightly different words industry going on. When you den! is going on it is not good for suy nese with all their reverence for One of the leaders of Japanese-in- with labour and you close down nation if it is only going to use the dead and their respect for their dustry said definitely, "We are in the factory, either temporarily or it in order to make a few million forebears would for a moment coun- this business in order to make permanently, there is no return for aires by keeping the vast majority tenance the throwing of dead bodies money and not for love."
labour during the time that the in- of the population of that country in streets, if it were not for the Mr. Chau pointed out that there "Does industry and industrial dustry is at a standstill. Sometimes in a condition of, poverty, not fact that dire consequences would was no special outbreak at the pre- development moan that mon but I have wished, and I daresay many knowing how they are going to get result to the inmates of a house, sent moment and be thought, the we can leave men to look after of our leaders of industry have their next meal
one of whose number has been found withdrawal of the resolution might themselves because they are able wished, that we could have the same Wealth does not consist, merely of dead of smallpox. If there were cause unnecessary alarm. to do it-dogs it mean and abould terms for labour as we have for | LSM). The wealth of a nation will inmates, or if these consequences Dr. A. Basto said: As a theferawanand litla capital and in addition to ten to 1mggist int in the amount of money would only take on a milder form, I medical man, Mr Chairman, Ghildren should be called upon to build up a resurve ipad in order to that oxton may possex, but the 1 can” KAIBIự work all the 24 hours, that women provide for that interest that has real wealth of the simon will con and children should have to work to be paid on capital, wo could pist in the happiness, and pros. through the night and that women build up a reserve fund that would perity of the citizens of that nation, with little babies should be onlled provide for tic, tíma when labour, juhether it in Britain, Chins, or upon to bring their little babies was idlo, and until that time comes. (Appisis.) with them inside the millet. I wish I shall never believe that labour The Hon. Bir Shou-son Chow ex “I could paint the picture as I have and capital are treated equally in pressed thanks to the speaker on
scon it.
our industry.
behalf of Rotariana,
of dumping would be few and far with the objection raised against between. I refer to the manner in the question" of isolation and th which disinfection is now carried inconvenience, I cannot but give my out. I would urge the Banitary full support to the resolution which authorities to take the greatest care was proposed by the Medical Offer possible of property with which Health, ar k they have been entrusted and to phy (Continued on next Column.)
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