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CHURCH OF ENGLAND AND ROME.
MINUTES OF MALINES CONVERSATIONS TO BE
PUBLISHED.
SPÉCIAL PRECEDENCE" FOR ARCH- BISHOP OF CANTERBURY.
The Sunday Times of August 19th published important information, of the Malines Conversations between, Anglican and Roman clerics to which reference was made at the time in Reuter cables. Our London contemporary states that the official minutes of the Malines Conversations will be published shortly-certainly before the resignation of Dr. Davidson as Primate of All England takes effect in November. Names of speakers will, wherever pos sible, be left out.
Below, an ecclesiastical authority gives what may be regarded as the frst comeecutive and authentic account of the Conversations, which were initiated to explore the possibilities of a reunion of the Anglican and Roman Churches. Some of the disclosures he makes will be read by many Church men and woman with surprise. "Rome was prepared to grant great things" to an Archbishop of Canterbury who accepted the Roman Catholic faith he would have a special precedence equal to, and perhaps above, Cardinals..
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INDIAN WATCHMAN OPIUM TRAFFICKERS AND
THEIR SCAPEGOATS. STABBED.
FIGHT OVER GAME OF CARDS,
TWO LINES OF DEFENCE TRIED!
SENTENCE OF SIX WEEKS' IMPRISONMENT.
A Pathan Indian watchman em- ployed at the Asiatic Petroleum Company's Installation at North Point was before Mr. R. E. Lindaell at the Central Magistracy jesterday alternoon for stabbing a fellow watchman in the quarters last Sunday at about 11 a.m. The victim received an ugly wound in his back and appeared in Court. He was still weak and had been under treat he should be referred to in such ment at the Government Civil
Hospital
BISHOP GORE AND POPE'S PRIMACY.
ol the official minutes The Malines Conversations are to be published in full in a few weeks' time. They are to be given to the public as they were taken down, except that, wherever possible, the ames of the speakers will be left ont. No comment will be added, but-though the point has not yet been decided there will probably be a short introduction written by one of the theologians present to give an account of the aims of those who were present at the meetings,
It is nearly seven years since Lord Halifax, with the Abbé Portal, visited Cardinal Mercier to Conversations In- propose the formation gradually leaked out, but it was not until Christmas of 1923 that the Archbishop of Can- terbury publicly stated that meet
matters.
Kemmer.
Mr. Horace Lo appeared on be- half of the accused.
The complainant after giving evidence for a little showed signs of weakness and was given a chair in the witness-box.
When this conversation was re- ported at Lambeth, it was felt that things had been going too fast and far, and that those attending the Conversations would do better to differences than discuss present hypothetical arrangements about applying unity which was yet far from existing. Bishop Gore
At the outset of the proceedings and the present Bishop of Truro now joined the Anglican side, for Inspector Shannen intimated to his it was felt they would supply a critical element: the Roman Catho Worship that he wished to add to lics were also strengthened by two the charge of common assault, the Parisian scholars of distinguished more serious one of wounding. eminence, Monsignor Batifol and
The complainant said that on the the Abbé Hippolyte These met with the others, on morning in question he and five November 7th and 8th, in 1903, in other watchmen, including the de an atmosphere of the greatest fendant, had a game of cards. It ings had been held. The informa cordiality.
It is now proposed to publish was an Indian game and appeared tion took the Reman Catholic au-
"Bridge-cum- thorities in England entirely by the memoranda which were read by to be similar to surprise. Even then, no account of Dean Robinson, by Bishop Gore, by what had been said was given, and Dr. Kidd, and by Monsignor Casino." After several hands had been played the defendant accused the first definite information ap-Batiffel, in reply.
Although Bishop, Gore was the complainant of having cheated. peared in January last. It showed
critical, and at times almost the points which had been agreed
suspicious, it was admitted even Witness threw his cards on the upon, but as Father Woodlock, a
by him, that there was no authen-ground and refused to play. The well-known father of the Society of
tic Catholicism apart from Rome, defendant insisted that he should Jesus, has urged in the Sunday
and that the Pope had a primacy Times, this information was frag-
among all the Bishops of Chris mentary, and might even misleading.
Bhortly afterwards the Arch The fear that any fuller account might prejudice the chances of the bishop of Canterbury made his an- Prayer Book in the House of Comnouncement in the Press, and it wons persuaded the Archbishops of was thought better that no meet Canterbury and York that they ings should be held till the ensuing Mean- could not agree to further informa agitation had died down. tion being given. Many people time, the counsels of Cardinal Mercier dominated the Holy See, agree that when Lord Halifax and the Pope decided that the forced the publication in January, nho Santo of 1925 should be de- he deprived the Revised Prayer Book of its only chance. Now that dicated not only to the peace of the Prayer Book question has been the world, but to Christian unity It was felt at Rome that it was a settled, however, there is no fur time for making generous gestures. ther reason for secrecy, and pre- parations must be made to account to the Pan-Anglican Congress of 1930 of the steps taken towards ap- proaching other denominations ac- cording to the Lambeth quadri
-lateral of 1920.
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Accordingly, when the Anglicans met again at Malines on May 19th and 20th, in 1925, the Roman Catholics were able to present pro posals for giving a united Church of England, immense privilegea According to a memorandum pre pared in Rome by au important
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INTERESTING DISCLOSURES IN COURT.
It has long been known that the miserable looking men, women and children caught in possession of opium were the tools of scapegoats of a wealthy ring of traffickers ja this drug. They are not the owners of the opium but are hired to carry. it for a small renumeration, and if they happen to get caught, they are paid a certain sum of money for cach day they spend in gaof.
This has been commen knowledge, but the public had no idea of the actual amount paid to the carriers until it was revealed in Court yes terday morning before Mr. E. E. Lindsell by Chief Preventive Officer Clarke when he prosecuted a Chi- nese" for having in his possession 15 taels of prepared opium which was believed to have been brought from a West River town by the x.s. Anjou,
Mr. Clarke said that the man was a carrier. He was paid so much a day by a "ring" of smugglers. The amount had hitherto been 30 cents a day, but it appeared that Jately a different ring of traffickers in Wuchow had raised it to 40 cents per day.
His Worship asked whether or
not the carriers were given a lump sum when they come out of prison.
Mr. Clarke: OK Fe It is
anderstood when they take on the job that they will get the money.
In answer to further questions, Mr. Clarke said that even if the carriers were deported after serving their sentences, they get the money just the same, and that the ring leader would not dare to evade pay- meat.
Defendant was fined $1,000, or four months' hard' Isbour, which incans on this basis he will get $48 when he comes out of gaol.
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THE VOLGA ROATMAN:"
The seething drama of the Russian "Anjou !! A Favoured Ship.
revolution has been used as a back- When another Chinese was charg-ground for The Volga Boatman, “ with having 19 tsels of illicit which will be screened at the opium in his possession, it was stated that he was arrested on the Queen's, from to-day till Sunday.
picture follows the
ex- same boat and Mr. Lindsell remark The. ed that the dajou appeared to periences of a prince, a princess be much favoured for opium and a boatman through the Russian smuggling.
revalution.
carry on to which witness replied that he would not. Words followed and the defendant got up and walk- ed away. He returned almost immed- intely with a knife in his hand. The other Indian watchmen who were playing stopped him and asked what he was doing with the knife.ed The defendant made a rush at witness but was intercepted by one of the watchmen. sitting on the lower bed of a double bunk and although he tried to get up he was too late. The de- fendant pushed the watchman aside and rushed at the witness and stabbed him on the left side of his back. Witness fell to the floor and cried out that he bad been 'stabbed
Witness was
His companions bound his wound with a strio torn from n shirt and took him to the North Point Police Station" which is close by.
Later
Mr. Clarke said that that was so, The compradore of the hip had told him that only a few days ago, the hipié watchman stopped a uricious-looking sack from coming on board, and he was set on and severely thrashed for being ton con- scientious. The watchman is now in hospital at Wucasw.
In this case the man was also
at the conversations to satisfy the theologian' who, though approved he was taken to the Government fined $1,000, or four months hard
Papal Infallibility. The Archbishops have accordingly agreed with the Anglicans present just demand of all parties for the fullest possible information. This has been repeatedly promised, and ean no longer be withheld. It must appear before Dr. Davidson retires. In no sense official delegates G their Churches, but as well-inform- ed and influential representatives of Roman Catholicism on the one side and of what is now called
Anglo-Catholicism on the other Lord Halifax (who was the leading spirit), the Warden of Keble (Dr. Kidd), and the Dean of Wells (Dr. Armitage Robinson) met in the Archbishop's Palace at Malines on December 6th and 7th in 1931 the late Cardinal Mercier, Monsignor van Roey (now Cardinal Arch bishop of Melines), and the late Abbé Portal.
It was agreed that there was enough common ground to justify future meetings, and there was a discussion whether or not the Coun- eil of Trent could be reconciled with the Thirty-zine Articles Agreement was reached with regard to the Eucharistic Sacrifice and baptismal regeneration, but though congruent tendencies were noted, there was no definite agreement with regard to the sacramental system in general.
in the highest quarters, was less cautious and restricted than the responsible oficials of the Vatican, Home would be prepared to grant great things to an Archbishop of Canterbury who could accept the Roman Catholic faith; for points of dogma there was every disposition to explain, but none to compromise.
on
Such an Archbishop could have jurisdiction over his whole patriar- chate, a special precedence equal to, and perhaps above, Cardinals, and a special liturgy return said
The Anglicans in that they would be ready to re- cognise the Roman Primacy, but bot to define it more closely. They admitted that the Pope is in a position with regard to other Bishops that no Bishop is in re- gard to him; the Roman Catholics agreed with them that the Pope's authority is not separate from the Bishope, and that the actual re- lation of Popes to Bishops has varied and is not yet defined.
The conferentiers were to meet. again to formulate their expres- sions of agreement, but the illness and death of Cardinal Mercier changed the whole situation. The notices which have already been published were agreed upon. But The question of the Papacy was the conversations ceased, and since also discussed, and the Roman then different influences have been Catholics showed that the Pope had at work. At Rome, the Anglican no power to declare or impose a question has been transferred from new dogms, but only to define the Secretariate of State to the the what was implicit in the faith. The Holy Office, in England, controversy words which impeded agreement Prayer Book were those of a phrase of the Decree aroused the strength of Protestant of 1870 which declared the Pope feeling. infallible of himself and indepen- Next Lambeth Conference. dent of the agreement of the On the other hand, what was Churchese et non ez consensu said at Malines can hardly be ecclesiae, and these were a difficulty ignored.
to the end..
has
The Church of England is in no way compromised, but though they represent only one school of thought, the Anglicans Malines are influential.
Witness attempted to stop him from using the knife but let him go when someone said that the defendant would not stab aryons.
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Civil Hospital. Witness said that fou ant at the Police Station, but he he remembered seeing the defend- was unconscious until he got there. Mr. Lo suggested to the witness that the other players were his clansmen while the defendant was nat. The defendant wae a Pathan while the witness and other players were Punjabis. Witness replied that he was on equally good terms with all of them,
Witness said that the game was played in the space between two rows of bunks. Mr. Lo again put it to the witness that following the quarrel between him and the de- fendant they both stood up and blows were exchanged. This was denied by witness.
Stabbed During The Struggle, Mr. Lo say that you were stabbed during the scuffle with the defendant and not while you were sitting on the bunk-No.
Mr. Lo then asked if the game was played for money, and if so were the stakes very high. Wit ness replied that they did not play for money.
Mr. Lo: So it was a game of lovel
The Magistrate (to "witness): Now, don't tell lies.
Mr. Lo (to witness): Do you mean to suggest that although you, were not playing for money the de fendant went to the length of stabbing you,
The Magistrate then questioned the witness and asked how it was when the defendant approached him that he couldn't get out of the way with a knife. Witness replied that the watchman who attempted to stop the accused blocked his way and pinned him to the bunk.
Tried To Replay & Dead Card
Powers Of The Primate..
Bukan Din, one of the Indian
When the next conference met on
watchmen who was also taking at rart in the game, said that the March 14th and 15th, 1923, the
defendant had, accused the com- Roman Catholics are conscious of baving the blessing and approval The report about to be published plainant of having taken a card of the Pope on their work. The is especially interesting in view from the tricks that he had Anglicans came with the official of the Lambeth Congress of 1930, beside him Each had played. &. cognisance of the Primate, though which can hardly shelve the sub-card in a manner similar to this was much more cautiously ex-ject of the 1820 quadrilateral. For bridge" and the complainant who pressed.
Discussion arose as to it was not expected that Anglicans played last had the bighest card whether Rome would accord to would get further with Roman and won the trick. In the separated opinion of witness the complainant. Canterbury the privleges she gave Catholics than with
Protestants and yet it seems that had not cheated, to certain Eastern patriarchs,
Could the Primate of All Eng. Lord Halifax and his friends Questioned further witness said land nominate his Bishops? The secured 4 triumph at Malines with that he saw the defendant take the Roman Catholics pointed out which Lambeth has not yet found knile from the pocket of his tunic,
(Continued on nect Column). that the Pope would insist thas it easy to deal
The Magistrate: That doesn't sound very convincing!
Mr. Lo: That is the story given to me by the accused himself.
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Another Eye-witness, Beguh Khen, another Indian watchman who was a member of the card party, said that he saw the defendant with the knife. It was series of adventures, leaving a he who tried to stop the defendant trail of broken hearts behind her. just before he dealt the blow. He After a thrilling terms which almost had seen the knife in defendant's possession before this occasion.
Another member of the party, and countryman of the defend ant, was also to have given evidence It was later present in Court. for the prosecution but was not
Delendant Changes His Story. ascertained that he was on duty.
The defendant then went into the box and said that after the scuffie which followed when he accused
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From a report made to the Polico bs Paymaster Commander complainant of cheating, he went outside and sat down. While he Rodgers, Secretary to the Com was there be heard a scuffle and ammodore, three rounds of four-inch H.A. Ammunition, were lost over- cry that someone had been stabbed. The men in the room at the time board from H.M.6. Hawkins on the were all countryinen of the com- morning of September 3rd. The plainant and when he came lo, they position was stated to be 70 yards Diving operations have been car accused him of having stabbed the south-east of No. 5 mooring buoy." complainant.
ried out by Naval divers for the recovery of the shells, but without
The defendant denied ownership of the knife, and said that he had His Worship was then informed never seen it before. by the prosecution that the Imite was found half an hour later on the roof of the godown which was below the verandah on the quarters. There were no bloodstains on the knife at the time..
The Magistrate dismissed the charge of common assault and im the charge of stabbing. posed six weeks imprisonment on
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